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the reddit moment to beat all other reddit momentsTake my hand. I'll be your Virgil on our journey towards Ftm Purgatorio. I can't truly show you the horrors of the Yaoi inferno, (I don't have a Reddit account) but I can lead you towards the entrance. Buon viaggio!
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Remember the tranny has on five pounds of makeup and never shows themselves below their upper chest. Also, the tranny sounds like your stereotypical HSTS. Extremely catty and very eager to put down a real woman who either doesn't look like their vision of what a woman should look like or who speaks the truth about troons.Maybe it's just me, but this chick (the ugly photographer one, not the tranny) seems incredibly insecure. Why would she make an entire video seething about some random tranny if she wasn't? Ironically, she looks pretty mannish herself
It's interesting that so many troons reject religion and yet believe that they are still born with this kind of gendered soul that doesn't match with their biological sex. Many of them are atheist but still following this kind of spiritual ideology in a sense, or at least believing they are as far as being a troon goes, and instead letting wokeness replace religion.My 2c is he would be happy as an occasional crossdresser and he's only trooning out now because there is so much positive reinforcement around it, particularly given how religious he is: one's a shameful kink, the other's almost like a calling. I'm curious what a few years in the lifestyle will do to him.
"How can I make this tragic period that I had nothing to do with about me?"Alright, strap yourselves in, cuz this one's a stinker and potentially peak-transing the entire gay UK population at once.
The background is the premiere of the new Russel T. Davies drama, "It's A Sin." The show focuses on the early years of the AIDS epidemic in London, so set in the early 80's - long before anyone had heard of trannies. And guess what....
Yup, troons and their queer backpatters are inserting themselves into the narrative like it's nobody's business. A sampling:
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More over at Janice Turners twitter: https://twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1352737953345372161
(For those keeping up with troonery in the UK, Turner has been consistently writing about queer-gender-etc for a few years now.)
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This one is a YouTuber who faked being gay-bashed for views. So, there were all of a sudden "millions" of transwomen affected? Cool story bro.
He's tweeting at another genderspecial asshole who co-incidentally is an upper class git with education from the most prominent unis in the UK...
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Ah yes, "queer people". About a show that is specifically about gay men dying horribly and the complacency of society. I'm sure they were called "queer" as well, often even. Especially when hooligans were kicking the shit of them in the street.
Some choice replies:
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"Entitled, selfish and a fake trend"...well, you're certainly doing your best to prove that narrative true. And using the Holocaust...stay classy troons!
Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/Glamrou/status/1353650014317375488
Some of the replies from real gay men:
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They're people who think saying "Trans men/women are men/women" a bunch of times in a row like a mantra is going to change people's lives.It's interesting that so many troons reject religion and yet believe that they are still born with this kind of gendered soul that doesn't match with their biological sex. Many of them are atheist but still following this kind of spiritual ideology in a sense, or at least believing they are as far as being a troon goes, and instead letting wokeness replace religion.
That woman on the right is a prime candidate for most slapable face of 2021.https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tc5pf9X1vV4
Youtube made Vanessa take this part of her video down. Or at least mute the sound which just made me go looking for it.
I can't imbed bitchute so here's the link.
I was growing up as a kid during the end of the aids crisis and even I know that not a God damn bit of that is true.Alright, strap yourselves in, cuz this one's a stinker and potentially peak-transing the entire gay UK population at once.
The background is the premiere of the new Russel T. Davies drama, "It's A Sin." The show focuses on the early years of the AIDS epidemic in London, so set in the early 80's - long before anyone had heard of trannies. And guess what....
Yup, troons and their queer backpatters are inserting themselves into the narrative like it's nobody's business. A sampling:
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More over at Janice Turners twitter: https://twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1352737953345372161
(For those keeping up with troonery in the UK, Turner has been consistently writing about queer-gender-etc for a few years now.)
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This one is a YouTuber who faked being gay-bashed for views. So, there were all of a sudden "millions" of transwomen affected? Cool story bro.
He's tweeting at another genderspecial asshole who co-incidentally is an upper class git with education from the most prominent unis in the UK...
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Ah yes, "queer people". About a show that is specifically about gay men dying horribly and the complacency of society. I'm sure they were called "queer" as well, often even. Especially when hooligans were kicking the shit of them in the street.
Some choice replies:
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"Entitled, selfish and a fake trend"...well, you're certainly doing your best to prove that narrative true. And using the Holocaust...stay classy troons!
Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/Glamrou/status/1353650014317375488
Some of the replies from real gay men:
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She looks like Riley DennisHere's the video:
Maybe it's just me, but this chick (the ugly photographer one, not the tranny) seems incredibly insecure. Why would she make an entire video seething about some random tranny if she wasn't? Ironically, she looks pretty mannish herself
Having been around in the 80's, back when you actually read the articles in porn mags because you were bored and some of them were pretty good, a lot of Hustlers and Playboy issues had articles on the AIDS crisis. It had moved from GRID (Gay Related Immunodeficiency Disorder) to Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome and there was still a lot we didn't know. I remember an article where some gay groups were wondering if lubrication caused it, since the chemicals from the lube could enter the bloodstream. One group swore by Crisco, I remember that vividly from the article.Alright, strap yourselves in, cuz this one's a stinker and potentially peak-transing the entire gay UK population at once.
The background is the premiere of the new Russel T. Davies drama, "It's A Sin." The show focuses on the early years of the AIDS epidemic in London, so set in the early 80's - long before anyone had heard of trannies. And guess what....
Yup, troons and their queer backpatters are inserting themselves into the narrative like it's nobody's business. A sampling:
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More over at Janice Turners twitter: https://twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1352737953345372161
(For those keeping up with troonery in the UK, Turner has been consistently writing about queer-gender-etc for a few years now.)
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This one is a YouTuber who faked being gay-bashed for views. So, there were all of a sudden "millions" of transwomen affected? Cool story bro.
He's tweeting at another genderspecial asshole who co-incidentally is an upper class git with education from the most prominent unis in the UK...
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Ah yes, "queer people". About a show that is specifically about gay men dying horribly and the complacency of society. I'm sure they were called "queer" as well, often even. Especially when hooligans were kicking the shit of them in the street.
Some choice replies:
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"Entitled, selfish and a fake trend"...well, you're certainly doing your best to prove that narrative true. And using the Holocaust...stay classy troons!
Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/Glamrou/status/1353650014317375488
Some of the replies from real gay men:
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Disclaimer: I am very sympathetic to radfems when it comes to the TRA vs. TERF fight but I still think Vanessa chose her target poorly. The arguments she made are sound but on a platform like youtube, which values aesthetics over everything else, choosing to direct them at a pretty, mostly passing tranny with a huge fanbase is objectively retarded. It makes the subject needlessly personal and, frankly, if you want it to be a 1v1 fight, there are so, so many ugly AGPs you could have picked a fight with. The "trans women are women" crowd got as far as it did because most people think of hypergay feminine males when they hear "trans woman" and playing into that narrative is not a good idea.I think you miss her point. Vanessa is a radfem. She believe that gender is a social construct, however unlike the troons in this thread, instead of zoning in on gender as being the defining characteristic when assessing a person, she believes that one's sex is important and that a person's gender is irrelevant (just another facet of a your personality). She believes that women can be masculine, but that does not and never will make them a man because their sex cannot be changed (a decade or so ago we would have called masculine girls "tomboys" as opposed to now when they troon out first chance they get). Vice-versa for TIMs, of course - men can be feminine but it doesn't make them women. She is seething because troons are encroaching on womens' private spaces and making a mockery of womanhood. In her opinion.
Troons weren't at the forefront of shit.
I hope LGB drops those fucking parasites.
I remember reading an article in some porn mag about "The Lesbian Angels", which was a group of lesbians who cared for dying gay men in the hospital who had been abandoned by their friends and families. How sometimes they took the dying home so they could die with dignity.
NOmostly passing tranny
I'm a guy so I don't know if that has anything to do with it but honestly I find a lot of the ones doing that ultra femme shit worse than fat ogre dress go spinny types for some reason. It's like those skinwalker stories where they see one of the people that vanished in the night beckoning from the woods but their movements are just completely wrong, like it's just a skin suit filled with some kind of moving wrongness that's not supposed to exist in our world.Disclaimer: I am very sympathetic to radfems when it comes to the TRA vs. TERF fight but I still think Vanessa chose her target poorly. The arguments she made are sound but on a platform like youtube, which values aesthetics over everything else, choosing to direct them at a pretty, mostly passing tranny with a huge fanbase is objectively retarded. It makes the subject needlessly personal and, frankly, if you want it to be a 1v1 fight, there are so, so many ugly AGPs you could have picked a fight with. The "trans women are women" crowd got as far as it did because most people think of hypergay feminine males when they hear "trans woman" and playing into that narrative is not a good idea.
The "mostly" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Yes, we can tell but frankly, it's because a lot of people on this thread have invested a lot more brainpower on this topic than most people ever will. Samantha falls squarely into the "eh, good enough" category in normies' eyes.
That's interesting. Could be the uncanny valley effect?I'm a guy so I don't know if that has anything to do with it but honestly I find a lot of the ones doing that ultra femme shit worse than fat ogre dress go spinny types for some reason. It's like those skinwalker stories where they see one of the people that vanished in the night beckoning from the woods but their movements are just completely wrong, like it's just a skin suit filled with some kind of moving wrongness that's not supposed to exist in our world.
We can add this:I've been fascinated by this girl:
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I also wrote something on her back here, but I decided to go through her posting history properly. Since she post so much shit at considerable length, you can write something of a history and it's actually straight bingo for a teenage girl troon-out. Moreover, she has this weird tendency to write posts that can only be understood in light of other posts which makes this an interesting exercise.
Some miscellaneous background:
She is 18 (making her ~14 in the 'before'), grew up in "a liberal town" in Oregon that is not Portland and is currently studying CS at Reed College; a liberal arts college "known for its ... progressive politics [and] de-emphasis on grades." She goes by 'Alan,' not exactly sure what her birth-name is other than that it is four letters long, begins with A and an 'L' in it; I believe this makes it Ayla since she implies that it doesn't start with "Al" and that it isn't particularly unusual. Decided she was a "trans man" in Sept 2020 and is still pre-everything.
She has an older sister and a half-brother. Her parents are not divorced. Her father is unemployed, probably majored in philosophy (she writes a lot of random shit) and she seems to imply that he has mental health issues. It's not clear what the deal is though, as I said above: she doesn't care all that much for the comprehension of her readers. Relatedly, her older sister has a history of unspecified mental health problems including self-harm. I think her half-brother is her father's and this implies that they have psychological issues of some sort as well:
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This doesn't actually make sense, but the "what my dad gave me and my siblings" is almost certainly mental health issues based on post history clues.
History:
She was an undeniably feminine child and teenager:
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And was a fan of the Youtuber Zoella, for example; definitely not your tom-boy type. She does have a few atypical interests and proclivities though, she seems to have developed an interest in video games and in high school was on the robotics team. She is also planning on majoring in CS and has a slightly repetitive interest in programming:
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The idea of being a "woman in CS" or related themes shows up quite a bit. It seems like an identity that mattered to her, in one post she expresses that she feels she is letting down her sex by transitioning and therefore giving up the "woman" part of it.
Anyways, like all such cases her problems began with puberty:
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There are a couple of things that stand out here: the non-specific anxiety issues, the big breasts and anime. There's definite some yaoi in there:
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At the same time she also started having issues with her sexuality which seems to have begun with her having difficulty to relate to her friends' feelings re. men:
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...which she was assisted in by her "nb and very outwardly queer" friend and YouTube videos (never a good influence). She seems to have had serious issues with locating herself sexually:
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She never seems to evince any real sexual attraction of a physical nature in her posts. There is a kind of uncertain abstractness in the way she talks about sexuality. Also note the aversion towards heterosexual relationships as a woman. From 15-18 she seems to have somewhat stable in her identity, then over the summer of 2020, she has some sort of mental crisis:
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She does this in stages, by first being "genderfluid" before - with the help of YouTube - settling on "trans man":
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Some 'elder' FtM also helped affirm her in as a True Man:
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And her college is also facilitating her in her new found quest to fuck herself up:
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As indicated above, her family - her mother in particular - is not taking it well:
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This is real Feels, IMO. The certainty that your dear daughter is hurting herself, the helplessness of not knowing what you can do and the impotence of feeling denied the right to do anything. Her mother sees her elder sister's self-harm in Ayla's desire to amputate her breasts:
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I feel that she doesn't fully comprehend the fullness of the love and care a parent feels for their child:
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This girl is well and truly down the rabbit-hole. Totally ensconced in troondom.
Why?
As I said back at the beginning, this girl is a real bingo card. She grew in a hyper-liberal environment and with plenty of exposure to 'LGBTQ+' type stuff. She also wasn't worried about her family's reaction; she had come out as lesbian (though it doesn't sound like her mom took this seriously) and thought that coming out as 'trans' would be no different. She had a 'non-binary' friend at 15 for example, and her CS classes are apparently full of MtF troons:
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There's also that "elder trans friend," who again helps her believe that 'trans' is a valid and normal thing and the fact that her college's HCC is willing to aid and abet her in this folly.
Media is another factor. Aside from the aforementioned anime & yaoi consumption, there's also this:
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And there was at least one other post about shows with troons. Additionally, she was - by her own admission - influenced by FtM YouTubers, in particular Jammidodger, of whom she seems to be quite a fan.
But none of this really answers the question: why? It's a hard question and one made doubly hard by her not really seeming to know either. The primary driver behind it seems to have been body dysmorphia over her breasts:
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I don't know why she developed some neurosis over her breasts, but once that got going it seems that courtesy of the environmental influences, she latched onto 'being trans' as an explanation:
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And then smuggled in all the other anxieties, confusions over her personal identity and some general feelings of oddness into the catch-all of 'gender dysphoria.' Beyond her breasts, her views seem bizarre and contrary to her desire to troon out:
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She doesn't have significant "bottom dysphoria" and her fantasies about being a man come off as inchoate and empty:
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Why do you need to not have breasts to do any of this? What, indeed, does being a man have to do with any of it? What does it even mean to [live] as a man? She doesn't seem to really cogitate on the why, she just takes it as a sort of biological axiom that she needs to do all these things. She believes this is a "biological thing":
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But, of course, it's not. That doesn't even sound like a plausible thing to believe at a subjective level; why did this "biological" desire to do this to yourself not appear until you were 18? Wouldn't it be more reasonable to see as extension of past behaviors and feelings? Of confused longings to be something different, to be sure in who you are, to have an explanation for "everything." Where she is now seems truly unfortunate, her latching onto being a "trans man" doesn't seem to have obviously improved her well-being, there's talk of "gender euphoria" over presenting as male, but at the same time there's this:
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And that's actually saddening. I cannot know the whole texture of her life, but my thinking is that she has suffered through the increase 'gender dysphoria' after her 'revelation.' This is a pretty standard outcome - once you 'diagnose' yourself, you hone in like a hawk on gender issues and the result somewhat inevitably is mental turmoil.
It's doubly saddening, because she does seem to have actual problems that go beyond mere teenage angst. Now, I might be schizo posting from here, but my hypothesis is that she is mildly autistic and a good deal of her experiences could be explained in that light.
The priors on this being true are pretty high just since feminine/heterosexually-inclined girls are the most autistic sub-population amongst troons. Pediatric gender clinics typically run up >50% ASD/suspected ASD amongst boys and girls, and rates of up to 70% have been reported in girls in Australia.
Moreover, the repeated confusion and uncertainty over her sexual orientation is extremely common in girls with autism, as is a lack of desire for sexual contact. Girls with autism also have sky-high rates of anxiety disorders, something she certainly seems to suffer from. Beyond mere statistic inference, she constantly says things that are strikingly odd. To get us started, consider this:
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Now, there's nothing unusual about wanting big boobs as a tween, but the way she formulates this is unusual and it's part of a broader pattern in how she talks about being girl. She constantly talks about feeling a sense of lost identity and just looking at the world around her:
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She writes at other times that she didn't feel she really understood being a woman and instead took it as a sort of "competitive" pursuit, and that it was something she did because she thought it was expected of her. A lot of this seems to have been slightly ret-conned as being linked to her gender dysphoria:
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That word 'masking' is a choice one. She also has written multiple times about feeling 'dissociated', of 'feeling uncomfortable at having a physical form' and not '[feeling] like an actual real human person':
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This pattern of not knowing "who [you] are," of being guided by social mimicry. This here is from a qualitative study of women with autism:
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Sound familiar? That feeling of exhaustion is one that she has written about as well.
There is also this which is a real "Oh...":
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Hyper-vigilance to touch is very common in autistic individuals. It also shows how 'gender dysphoria' works to absorb all her struggles and uncertainties; a guiding narrative for her to understand all the things she never could.
There are other little things as well: the slightly stereotyped way she talks about being a programmer, the way her posts often seem to leave out some part of the context or depend on other posts that she could have no expectation that anyone had read. Is that a sign of mild ToM impairment? She always has 'social anxiety' - practically ubiquitous in girls with autism - which alone might mean nothing, but given everything else I'd beg to differ:
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It is always difficult - and dangerous - to diagnose people via reddit posts and ultimately, only she and those who know her best, can say whether it provides a truer explanation for all that she feels. My firm feeling is that she would greatly benefit from, at the very least, investigating the matter. See an autism specialist, one that is experienced with girls & women with autism because she desperately needs something to help her understand why she is the way she is. And this is not the answer:
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Top surgery might stop you from bruising your ribs, but will it really fix your problems? Will you really be any closer to feeling at home in your body, comfortable in who you are? It can be easy to think you know the answer, but we are all easily fooled most of all by ourselves. When anyone struggles with mental illness, they inevitably come to feel an insatiable longing to have things finally be at an end. It drives people to seek these little nirvanas - "perfect" solutions - that in our dreams will finally get the spider off our backs, and each and every time, we are wrong.
There are doubtless, lots of girls like Ayla here, but few so publicly and obviously show what's going on in their heads as she does. I think it's especially bad for her because she has this unexamined fact of her life just sitting there while she pursues this, this 'being a man' thing. One day, when she's had all the database entries changed, it's going to come out to her and then what will happen? How will she then process what she has done? What do you think and feel when you realize that there was another explanation sitting there? What does that do to you and your identity?Will you really be any closer to feeling at home in your body, comfortable in who you are? It can be easy to think you know the answer, but we are all easily fooled most of all by ourselves. When anyone struggles with mental illness, they inevitably come to feel an insatiable longing to have things finally be at an end. It drives people to seek these little nirvanas - "perfect" solutions - that in our dreams will finally get the spider off our backs, and each and every time, we are wrong.
It's like all those green text stories of the form:Today, I was walking some final semester nursing students through a c section. I just don't understand how men can fetishize pregnancy and delivery of a child. The experience is gross and dangerous. Blood spurting everywhere. Chunks of fat flying several feet. Vaginas are gross and pregnant vaginas are 100 times worse. Troons are insane.
From everyone’s favourite troon meme subreddit, r/traaaaaans or however many A’s are in there, but it was also shared by a troon who does a tabletop gaming podcast I rather enjoyed until finding out he was a troon (if you want to convince people you’re a true and honest laydee then why make content where people can only hear your unmistakably masculine voice and not know you’re a gender bender until they see your Twitter?) And once again the AGPs who retain their masculine hobbies are claiming to be gaymer gurlz and speaking over actual women who are into that shit.
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catgirl obsession again.
I don't understand why this stupid trans argument gets perpetuated.https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tc5pf9X1vV4
Youtube made Vanessa take this part of her video down. Or at least mute the sound which just made me go looking for it.
I can't imbed bitchute so here's the link.
Indeed the education campaigns at that time would have broken down had an appreciable proportion of gay men identified as "lesbians".My memory of the 80s-early 90s isn’t the best. I was only a child then, but what I knew about the AIDS epidemic was solely lobbed at gay men in the news.
I feel like you just know looking at one of these guys which way they’ll escalate.It's hard to hate on Alicia because not only is he incredibly joyous, but he seems like a really person. The complete inverse to Kevin Gibes, who's just an ugly fat miserable lump with no redeeming qualities who barely qualifies as human...
Knowing that Terrence/Alicia seemed to have a decent, joyous life, a loving wife and he's beloved by his student. It hurts to see he's falling into this hole, throwing his life away to chase an impossible fantasy. Kiwis can only look from afar - but I wish we could save troons that got posted here from themselves.It's hard to hate on Alicia because not only is he incredibly joyous, but he seems like a really person. The complete inverse to Kevin Gibes, who's just an ugly fat miserable lump with no redeeming qualities who barely qualifies as human...