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In China, Jack Ma is synonymous with success. The English teacher turned internet entrepreneur is the country’s richest person. He founded Alibaba, the closest thing Amazon has to a peer and rival. After Donald J. Trump was elected president in 2016, Mr. Ma was the first high-profile Chinese person he met with.
That success has translated to a rock-star life for “Daddy Ma,” as some people online called him. He played an unconquerable kung fu master in a 2017 short film packed with top Chinese movie stars. He has sung with Faye Wong, the Chinese pop diva. A painting he created with Zeng Fanzhi, China’s top artist, sold at a Sotheby’s auction for $5.4 million. For China’s young and ambitious, Daddy Ma’s story was one to emulate.

But lately, public sentiment has soured and Daddy Ma has become the man people in China love to hate. He has been called a “villain,” an “evil capitalist” and a “bloodsucking ghost.” A writer listed Mr. Ma’s “10 deadly sins.” Instead of Daddy, some people have started to call him “son” or “grandson.” In stories about him, a growing number of people leave comments quoting Marx: “Workers of the world, unite!”
This loss of stature has come as Mr. Ma is facing increasing trouble with the Chinese government. Chinese officials on Thursday said they had opened an antitrust investigation into Alibaba, the powerhouse e-commerce company that he co-founded and over which he still holds considerable sway.

At the same time, government officials are continuing to circle Ant Group, the fintech giant that Mr. Ma had spun out of Alibaba.
Last month the authorities quashed Ant’s planned blockbuster initial public offering, less than two weeks after Mr. Ma publicly castigated financial regulators for being obsessed with minimizing risk and accused China’s banks of behaving like “pawnshops” by lending only to those who could put up collateral. On Thursday, on the same morning that the Alibaba antitrust investigation was announced, four regulatory agencies said that officials would meet with Ant to discuss new supervision measures.
On its surface, the shift in Mr. Ma’s public image stems in large part from the Chinese government’s growing criticism of his business empire. A look beneath the surface shows a deeper and more troubling trend for both the Chinese government and the entrepreneurs who powered the country out of its economic dark ages over the past four decades.
A growing number of people in China seem to feel the opportunities that people like Mr. Ma enjoyed are disappearing, even amid China’s post-coronavirus surge. While China has more billionaires than the United States and India combined, about 600 million of its people earn $150 a month or less. While consumption in the first 11 months of this year fell about 5 percent nationally, China’s luxury consumption is expected to grow nearly 50 percent this year compared with 2019.

Young college graduates, even those with degrees from the United States, face limited white-collar job prospects and low wages. Housing in the best cities has become too expensive for first-time buyers. Young people who have borrowed from a new generation of online lenders, like Mr. Ma’s Ant Group, have debts they increasingly resent.
For all of China’s economic success, a long-running resentment of the rich, sometimes called the wealthy-hating complex, has long bubbled below the surface. With Mr. Ma, it has emerged with a vengeance.
“An outstanding people’s billionaire like Jack Ma will definitely be hanged on top of the lamppost,” an online commentator wrote in a widely circulated social media post, referring to the famous lynching slogan in the French Revolution, “À la lanterne!” The article was liked 122,000 times on the Twitter-like Weibo platform and read more than 100,000 times on the messaging and social media app WeChat.
The Communist Party seems more than willing to tap into that resentment. This could mean trouble ahead for entrepreneurs and private businesses under Xi Jinping, China’s top leader, who values servility and loyalty above everything else.
In an annual leadership meeting last week that set the tone for the country’s economic policies for the coming year, the party vowed to strengthen antitrust measures and prevent “the disorderly expansion of capital.”

Some businesspeople say that the hostility toward Ant and Mr. Ma makes them wonder about the fundamental direction of the country.
“You can either have absolute control or you can have a dynamic, innovative economy,” said Fred Hu, founder of the investment firm Primavera Capital Group in Hong Kong. “But it’s doubtful you can have both.” His firm is an investor in Ant Group, and he sits on Ant’s board.
Mr. Xi made no secret about what his ideal capitalist should be like. Ten days after the Ant I.P.O. debacle, he toured a museum exhibition devoted to Zhang Jian, an industrialist who was active more than a century ago. Zhang helped build up his hometown, Nantong, and opened hundreds of schools. Business figures in the Xi era, the message went, should also put their nation ahead of business.
In a July meeting with the members of the business community, Mr. Xi pointed to Zhang as a role model and urged them to rank patriotism as their top quality. (Mr. Xi reportedly didn’t mention that Zhang died bankrupt.)
Mr. Ma has his own high-profile philanthropic projects, like several initiatives in rural education and a prize to help develop entrepreneurial talent in Africa. But in many other respects, the flamboyant technology entrepreneur differs greatly from Zhang.
He has long enjoyed a better reputation than his peers in manufacturing, real estate and other industries whose edge may derive from cultivating close government ties, ignoring the environmental rules or exploiting employees.
He is as famous for making bold statements and challenging the authorities. In 2003, he created Alipay, which later became part of Ant Group, putting his business empire square in the center of the state-controlled world of finance.
“If someone needs to go to jail for Alipay, let it be me,” he told his colleagues at the time.
He sometimes subtly dared the government to punish his defiance. Regarding Ant’s business, he said on multiple occasions, “If the government needs it, I can give it to the government.” His top lieutenants repeated the line, too.

At the time, few people took these remarks seriously. People who know him well considered them a very “Jack thing” to say. “Giving Alipay to the country? Jack Ma is just saying,” read the headline of a 2010 opinion piece in the China Business News newspaper.
Now the chances that those bold statements become real have heightened. “Given what has happened, eventually Ant will have to be controlled or even majority owned by the state,” said Zhiwu Chen, an economist at the University of Hong Kong’s business school.
The pressure on Mr. Ma signals a shift in how the Chinese government regulates the internet. It has long censored content, but in other ways it has adopted a laissez-faire approach. Regulations were spare. No state-run companies were involved. And at the beginning, China’s internet industry was small.

Today, Alibaba and its archrival, Tencent, control more personal data and are more intimately involved in everyday life in China than Google, Facebook and other American tech titans are in the United States. And just like their American counterparts, the Chinese giants sometimes bully smaller competitors and kill innovation. You don’t have to be a member of the Communist Party to see reasons to rein them in.
Instead of disrupting the state system, the companies have cozied up to it. Sometimes they even help the authorities track people. Still, the government has increasingly seen their size and influence as a threat.
China’s tech companies are not the country’s biggest monopolies, however. Those are owned by the state, which dominates banking and finance, telecommunications, electricity and other essential businesses.
“China Mobile is a monopoly. Industrial and Commercial Bank of China is a monopoly,” wrote Zhang Weiying, a well-regarded Peking University economist, in 2017, “because without the government permission, you can’t enter these industries.”
The article was reposted under several social media accounts last week but was quickly censored.
It’s too early to tell how far the regulators will go in reining in Mr. Ma and big tech. But some pro-market people in China worry that the country is drifting toward the hard line of the 1950s, when the party eliminated the capital class, using language that compared capitalist leanings to impurities, flaws and weaknesses.
To these people, some of the language recently used by Eric Jing, Ant’s chairman, evoked the era. At a conference on Dec. 15, he said the company was “looking into the mirror, finding out our shortcomings and conducting a bodily checkup.”
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I think the US could learn lessons from China, what if this was done with Bezos?
 
Now, where's Tencent in all this? Where's Huawei? Seems interesting that the government only cares about the one company they don't have a stake in.
 
Now, where's Tencent in all this? Where's Huawei? Seems interesting that the government only cares about the one company they don't have a stake in.
I’m pretty sure that Ma is at least partially controlled by the Party, all Chinese business execs are Party members after all. This seems more like he’s earned the ire of a higher-up with his shenanigans, with the intention to scapegoat him for an impending crash.
 
I’m pretty sure that Ma is at least partially controlled by the Party, all Chinese business execs are Party members after all. This seems more like he’s earned the ire of a higher-up with his shenanigans, with the intention to scapegoat him for an impending crash.

Countdown to defect into America 3...
 
That's if Jack Ma didn't die of "suicide" or "accident". :smug:
Was this guy's death a warning of some sort?

Game of Thrones games maker dies 'after poisoning'

A Chinese tycoon who died on Christmas Day was poisoned, Shanghai police say.

Lin Qi, 39, was the chairman and chief executive of games developer Yoozoo, best known for the Game of Thrones: Winter Is Coming strategy game.

The Shanghai police statement pointed to one of Mr Lin's colleagues - identified only by his surname Xu - as the main suspect.
Mr Lin was believed to have a net worth of around 6.8bn yuan (£960m), according to the Hurun China Rich List.
Many employees and ex-employees gathered outside Yoozoo's office on Friday to mourn his death.

Who was Lin Qi?

The businessman was a star of China's lucrative gaming market and had also made a foray into film production.
He founded Yoozoo in 2009 and successfully led the company through a period where the gaming industry saw substantial changes towards mobile gaming.

The company also issued an emotional statement on its official Weibo microblog.
"Goodbye youth," it said, adding, "We will be together, continue to be kind, continue to believe in goodness, and continue the fight against all that is bad." The post attracted thousands of comments while the topic has been viewed more than 290 million times on Weibo. Many of the tributes featured calligraphy as Mr Lin was an avid calligrapher along with being a poetry enthusiast.

Was he poisoned?

Details are scant but Mr Lin is believed to have been poisoned, based on police statements.
Yoozoo released its own statement, saying Mr Lin had admitted himself to hospital after feeling unwell but was in a stable condition.
Things took a dramatic turn on Friday when the company announced its founder had died.

According to local media reports, the person in custody could be Xu Yao, who heads Yoozoo's movie production arm.
There was also some speculation among local media that Mr Lin had been poisoned via aged pu'er tea, a fermented Chinese drink.

What is Yoozoo?

Apart from its Game of Thrones game, Yoozoo is also the co-publisher of Supercell's smash-hit game Brawl Stars along with China's Tencent Holdings. The company is also known for its connection with the Chinese sci-fi novel Three-Body Problem as it holds the rights for its film adaptation. But its expansion into the motion picture business wasn't as successful as the company had hoped and the project to adapt the book into six films by Yoozoo Pictures never took off.

In September, it granted US streaming platform Netflix the right to adapt the sci-fi novel for television.
The book is the first instalment of the trilogy Remembrance of Earth's Past by writer Liu Cixin and has received critical acclaim, counting both former US President Barack Obama and Facebook chief Mark Zuckerberg among its fans.
 
I’m pretty sure that Ma is at least partially controlled by the Party, all Chinese business execs are Party members after all. This seems more like he’s earned the ire of a higher-up with his shenanigans, with the intention to scapegoat him for an impending crash.
Objectively untrue. Jack Ma is a member of the CPC, but the other 2 big ones, Pony Ma (Tencent, invests heavily in Epic and Discord) and Li Yanhong (Baidu) aren't.
China isn't actually communist.

The news I've seen on Chinanet has simply been Alibaba Group invested for engaging in anti-consumer monopoly tactics. Just the other day, Jack and Pony won some kind of CPC "progression reward". Alibaba has been invested many times. There's plenty competitors to Alibaba in China, such as JD and Pinduoduo. I think Alibaba is now partially state owned?

Pony Ma even called the blockchain "fascinating technology", but it will ultimately depend on the state despite his interest. Tencent is a horrible company because they are grifters. Imagine google, on top of censoring shit they dislike and saving your information to harvest shekelz, they overtake games you like and try to shoehorn p2w measures into it. That said, from what I've heard, Tencent is hands off when it comes to these western companies they've invested in. They seem to be mainly interested in the tech, and they want to use it for their own Chinanet shit or run a Chinanet version of said game to harvest chives (Chinanet meme, see https://pandayoo.com/2020/09/12/in-chinese-what-does-it-mean-to-cut-chives-harvest-chives/).

Anyway, doing objective journalism on countries America doesn't like isn't the duty of the MSM because shit won't sell to anyone but geopolitical autists.
 
Countdown to defect into America 3...
Too big of a name to do so. The CCP would be humiliated if that happened, and they’d consider this a hit against China’s economic image (can’t lose face with that one).

I do wonder if he was smart enough to offshore his wealth/family like the Hong Kong tycoons, but they probably already have their hooks on him, his fortune and his family so that he can’t make a move without them knowing and retaliating in return.
 
I’m pretty sure that Ma is at least partially controlled by the Party, all Chinese business execs are Party members after all. This seems more like he’s earned the ire of a higher-up with his shenanigans, with the intention to scapegoat him for an impending crash.
My guess is that he's friendly to one of the other factions not friendly to Xinnie the Pooh, like the remnants of Jiang Zemin's faction. Just like a feudal oligarchy, the CCP factional leaders fight each over not over who has the right ideology, but over who can wield control.
 
Jack Ma is my nigga.

He made a vanity kung fu movie with himself as the lead:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wfS9Uf5SKu8
Thank you. I'd read that in the second or third paragraph of the story and was like "Wow, that's kind of gauche,"

Then you posted this, and my morbid curiousity got the better of me. Bad choreography was to be expected since the guy is probably no Jackie Chan. The article described his role as "unconquerable martial arts master," and sure enough it comes across as such a badly done "I'm so unimpressed" god-mode fantasy. Then came the part where the bitch in the awkward quasi-moomoo says her one line in perfect english, and it started to actually get kind of good after that. It's like when you're eating something that tastes kind of crappy, but it has a sort of addictive quality to where you can't stop and you don't know why.

Also, did you recognize Jet Li?

I've never been able to get behind the whole "nobody can tell Clark Kent is Superman" thing, but after this flick I may have to rethink that. I wasn't sure it was him until I checked the credits.
 
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