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sharpie said:
Ok, you're right, I should have made my point very clear. I was wrong to say detractors are complete hypocrites based off of that one point on unoriginality. Yes, you are right, I was trying to point out that detractors are hypocrites. Originally, I believe someone has asked me that if I had found Phil through detractor content, then why did I not trust what the detractors say, and amongst other things, I said they are hypocrites. Also, as I mentioned earlier, I find the constant haranguing of Phil even over minor things annoying. So I was trying to say that detractors are hypocrites. But I am wrong about detractors being hypocrites based on that one point of unoriginality. There are multiple reasons people can watch a restreamer, and I'm sure that there are detractors who either don't care about originality/unoriginality but watch the restreamers because they find them entertaining.
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Okay I officially declare this internet bitch fight over. No winner because we are both completely retarded for participating in the first place.
 
sharpie said:
Ok, you're right, I should have made my point very clear. I was wrong to say detractors are complete hypocrites based off of that one point on unoriginality. Yes, you are right, I was trying to point out that detractors are hypocrites. Originally, I believe someone has asked me that if I had found Phil through detractor content, then why did I not trust what the detractors say, and amongst other things, I said they are hypocrites. Also, as I mentioned earlier, I find the constant haranguing of Phil even over minor things annoying. So I was trying to say that detractors are hypocrites. But I am wrong about detractors being hypocrites based on that one point of unoriginality. There are multiple reasons people can watch a restreamer, and I'm sure that there are detractors who either don't care about originality/unoriginality but watch the restreamers because they find them entertaining.
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So, here's the point I've been trying to subtly hammer in. It feels like a lot of your issues relate to not liking detractors. Again, that's fine. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has said (or arguably even wants at this point) you to like them. Hell, I actually agree with some of your points, and have pointed out examples where, under more reasonable circumstances, other people have voiced similar complaints without it turning into a spergfest.

Criticisms are fine. What's always struck me as, for lack of a better term, "off" with a lot of your posts is your strong dislike of detractors. This whole conversation started because you were saying people were wrong about the Champions stuff. When pressed to elaborate on why, you offered very weak arguments, and then eventually went on to say/heavily imply detractors are unreliable sources, and then it turned more into an airing of grievances about said detractors.

Based on that, it seems like you came here specifically because you dislike detractors and you want to insult/prove them wrong. It's similar to Phil's mindset. I'll give you more props than him because you've at least admitted a few times, albeit it with a whole lot of back and forth, that you were incorrect about some of your points. And you're also willing to venture outside of a hug box, so that alone makes you better to him. But, it seems like your biases are blinding you. You wanted the detractors to be wrong, so you convinced yourself they were. People kept refuting your points using evidence.

Criticizing detractors is fine because it is opinion based. But arguing against evidence just because it comes from someone you dislike doesn't really work. That's one of the reasons why myself, and if I'm guessing, other critics of Superhound tend to point out that, while the salt he produces from Phil is funny, the dude is still a sad cow in his own right. He doesn't get a pass because he's a detractor and we dislike Phil. I feel like this thread itself, which was created when people started doubting the escort saga, is a nice reminder of that. Not to drudge up old drama, but I think some posters, myself included in the early/mid parts of the saga, were ignoring some red flags because we really wanted Phil to be wrong.

I think that's also why we're pretty careful with any future sagas, including WWE champions. That's also why your doubts were met with so much, and in some cases, overly passionate dismissal. And again, nobody is saying that you can't disagree. That thread is filled with other people expressing skepticism, it's just that your arguments were lacking, and it seemed like the more people tried to get you to clarify or understand where you were coming from, the more it became apparent that your issue seems to be more with the fact that you dislike detractors as opposed to what we found.

I don't think it's necessarily a bad discussion to have, though I do admit there's never been a great thread for it. Actually, the best place to probably try and discuss it would be here, as all the other threads are usually focused on individuals/groups. I'm also not naive enough to think that a thread like that wouldn't be met with at least some level of hostility, especially after your recent posts. But, eh, maybe later down the line? We're all autists, and some of us, again including myself, have made not so greatly received posts in the past, but we're still treated normally once we calmed down. Hell, for awhile, BSV, one of DSPs top paypigs/supporters to the point where he had his own thread, was pretty well received here. Best advice I could give is, reassess if you actually want to be here, and take a day or two to chill in the future if you feel yourself getting annoyed or worked up over something. Just let stuff go, the thread(s) tend to move quickly enough where people will forget about whatever was previously being argued when DSP ultimately does something new and stupid to discuss.
 
Just so other people know, this is 100% just that @TheyCallMeTevin fagot on a sock account. You got your answer 4 months ago in the 2nd page of your autism containment thread then just REE'd at people for 20 pages, and you're back still crying about it 4 months later on a sock account. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/theycallmetevin-is-a-garbage-troll.74366/

BTW the results the guy posted from the text analysis software he wrote aren't what convinced people on it's own, it was all the specific instances of unique phraseology that people posted afterwards that showed over and over both Phil on Twitter and TheyCallMeDSP on WWE Champions Discord consistently typed in exactly the same idiosyncratic manner. It gets repeated because it's concise and funny. A good meme if you will.

The program's output was just a guide that got people searching, and they found lots of instances of the exact same unique posting mannerisms.
You probably didn't read any of that though as 4 months ago you were demanding access to the dude's text analysis software but admitted that you had not even read the Uselessness faction's WWE Champions Discord leaks.

Reading the bullshit you keep inventing in your head without bothering to keep up with what's actually going on is only funny for so long. Try actually reading a thread before you just start vomiting out things you imagined as if anyone cares about your autistic inner fantasy world.
TheyCallMeTevin said:
that "statistical linguistic analysis" software doesn't exist. Can someone link me to it? I cannot find a single line of code on Github that shows this software or the output of this software. I have also never seen any text comparison tool apparently built on machine learning saying "are you sure you didn't accidentally use the training input as your test input"?
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sharpie said:
Another example is the "machine learning analysis" thing. I saw that message saying "if anyone had any doubt" and then a picture of powershell output with some mention of "coeus" and saying that the input text and test data are very similar. The point of that post was to say that guild dsp and phil are one and the same. At first glance, that image looked incredibly legitimate. But then I looked up this tool, and there is no mention of this tool anywhere for text comparison purposes whatsoever. Not on github, not on google, not some random university site, nothing. If this guy had written his own text comparison tool, it would be most likely using a model that is publicly available. The output of the script looked as if it was something general "Are you sure you didn't use the test input by mistake?". But I couldn't find anything on it. If the guy wrote his own text analysis model as well, it is odd and unlikely to me he would've included a statement like that. It's too formal for an adhoc test tool.
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sharpie said:
I don't see it as "a lens of detraction content". I saw the videos as funny. As far as why i don't suspect the trolls to be correct, thats because i find the trolls to be hypocritical in a lot of ways, exaggerate a ton of things, and find many trolls to be mean people.

For example, people shit on phil for asking for tips, when a ton of other streamers also collect tips. Even the biggest streamers like esfand and asmongold collect tips. What they don't do is mention tips as much as Phil does.

People shit on Phil for being unoriginal, but will go and praise detractor restreams, which are the epitome of unoriginality. The argument for the restreaming is "it makes phil's streams more bearable" but from what I have seen that is simply not true, just by the fact that the restreamer will constantly interrupt in some way. If you are watching a video and i come in and talk every 3 seconds in your ear, make an annoying noise, play a lawnmower noise, talk to you while the person in the video youre listening to is talking, it doesn't matter if you hate the video, you will find my antics more annoying simply because you can't even concentrate on the source material.

As far as exaggeration goes, I've said before that i've gone to phil's streams and participate in them, but ive also come back here and looked at Surly Muppet's recap or others' reactions, and they seem to be exaggerated, either out of anger or entertainment. Like phil could ban someone, make 1 comment, and move on with the stream, and the way it's written here is "PHIL WENT ON A BAN RAMPAGE ACK ACK ACK" when in reality someone in chat posts something phil doesn't like and he's just like "alright looks like we got another troll", bans them, and moves on. While it can be funny once or twice, it gets annoying and exhausting to read some overly drawn out explanation for every minor noise that phil does. Like Phil could say something as benign as "Merry Christmas!" and there will be another 50 posts saying "Didn't Phil say he didn't celebrate Christmas?", "Didn't Phil say X back in Y?", "Phil is just trying to pander to the audience", "Phil is lazy", "Phil is fake, he doesn't want people to have a merry christmas remember when he insulted that one guy 10 years ago?". "Phil rocks back and forth on stream, does he have a disease?" "I bet that disease is X, i know a guy who also rocks back and forth and he has X". It just gets annoying as fuck.

Another example is the "machine learning analysis" thing. I saw that message saying "if anyone had any doubt" and then a picture of powershell output with some mention of "coeus" and saying that the input text and test data are very similar. The point of that post was to say that guild dsp and phil are one and the same. At first glance, that image looked incredibly legitimate. But then I looked up this tool, and there is no mention of this tool anywhere for text comparison purposes whatsoever. Not on github, not on google, not some random university site, nothing. If this guy had written his own text comparison tool, it would be most likely using a model that is publicly available. The output of the script looked as if it was something general "Are you sure you didn't use the test input by mistake?". But I couldn't find anything on it. If the guy wrote his own text analysis model as well, it is odd and unlikely to me he would've included a statement like that. It's too formal for an adhoc test tool. That tool, which is paraded around here as one of the biggest pieces of evidence, seems like a complete farce to me. I could be completely wrong on that, but that is another reason i don't give 100% credibility to the trolls.
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Look at that rating flood. Lots of words here dealing with a few different issues so let me agree with the parts I do upfront in your post before I raise the parts I think you're straining to accommodate unnecessarily. First off, I agree with you on the sensationalist trends in commentators on DSP's content in the subforum, yes some indulge in a little more than necessary for whatever their reasons are, entertainment, rhetorical style, or even outright *gasp* "detracting" from Phil as a matter of principle. While this has a variable effect on the readers who consume these posts, I tend to side with the idea that Phil on his own is hilariously lolcowish enough to not need a bunch of that flourish in his subforum to retain a followers interest and therefore I try not to engage in it myself as much as I can, let Phil hang himself with a rope of his own entwining, he's pro level at it in a way he never was in Street Fighter after all. With that said, let's set that particular issue aside and get to where I disagree with this post.

Namely, with all due respect, let's say you are correct about your claims as to the usefulness of the writing analysis of the writing patterns as you present it in your argument against that portion of the thread. We will simply for the sake of discussion now discard that presented evidence as to whether the account is Phil's or not, that doesn't make him any less, shall we say, boned, by the rest of the evidence assembled here. Again, this is not a court of law, we do not require an argument that proves it is him beyond a shadow of a doubt, we just need enough evidence to think it's more likely its him than not to then be justified in posting as if he's being decietful on this topic. The fudged bankruptcy numbers are already enough to get myself halfway to the conclusion DSP will lie when discovered about this as well, so therefore I can discard any claims this is a false flag to implicate him in something he has nothing to do with on his behalf. Is this generous to Phil? Of course not. Is it unfair to Phil as well? No, it simply is not generous to him. So without Phil going to lengths to counteract his normal lie about it all tendancies when possible, the rest of the evidence against him here is sufficient enough for me to feel confident he has been outed as the liar in this situation, even excluding writing comparisons. 100% credibility would be needed to show Phil commited a crime and needs to be punished for the act, 51% credibility or more is enough for me to decide the posts making fun of him for his sweatymanjpg collection are hilarious because he's lying about it not being true and his tips account really is empty again.
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I just want to comment on the tips part. Heaps of streamers accept tips, but ive never seen anyone else make money and tip collection the entire point of the stream. every prestream phil says tips are not mandatory or "expected".. so why have a tips goal if youre not expecting people to give you tips, why cry and moan at every break if tips are slow...

he deserves all the shit he gets in regards to his begging because its absolutely ridiculous and greedy. imagine begging for tips so he can buy "groceries" when you own 2 properties and live in a gated community. its just retarded.
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Tips goal was added when his chat members asked for a goal so they knew what to expect would be sufficient of a funding level to support the streams. I know after it was added your points become an issue but he really did take feedback from chat to implement it in so I don't really knock him over it either.
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This is not true. $5k / month in "business expenses" just happened to be the exact amount necessary for Phil to qualify for Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Anything above that and he would have been ineligible and forced to either withdraw the petition or convert to Chapter 13. The letter of the law here is very clear, Chapter 7 eligibility is dictated only by income and expense guidelines rather than the amount of assets which could be liquidated. If she elected not to liquidate because there were no assets then that is an abuse of power.
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Yes, and like I said at the time, she was getting paid whether that happened or not so she had no incentive to actually enforce any guidelines, her interest was in getting more through the system faster because that's how she got the function of her income for doing so to increase. And surprise surprise, the best outcome for her was the one that happened, amazing how that occurs huh?
 
Prince Lotor said:
Just so other people know, this is 100% just that @TheyCallMeTevin fagot on a sock account. You got your answer 4 months ago in the 2nd page of your autism containment thread then just REE'd at people for 20 pages, and you're back still crying about it 4 months later on a sock account. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/theycallmetevin-is-a-garbage-troll.74366/

BTW the results the guy posted from the text analysis software he wrote aren't what convinced people on it's own, it was all the specific instances of unique phraseology that people posted afterwards that showed over and over both Phil on Twitter and TheyCallMeDSP on WWE Champions Discord consistently typed in exactly the same idiosyncratic manner. It get's repeated because it's concise and funny. A good meme if you will.

The program's output was just a guide that got people searching, and they found lots of instances of the exact same unique posting mannerisms.
You probably didn't read any of that though as 4 months ago you were demanding access to the dude's text analysis software but admitted that you had not even read the Uselessness faction's WWE Champions Discord leaks.

Reading the bullshit you keep inventing in your head without bothering to keep up with what's actually going on is only funny for so long. Try actually reading a thread before you just start vomiting out things you imagined as if anyone cares about your autistic inner fantasy world.
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I ran the two quoted posts through a machine learning language analysis program and it came up saying there is a 98.3% probability that the two posts are from the same user.
 
Murmur said:
I ran the two quoted posts through a machine learning language analysis program and it came up saying there is a 98.3% probability that the two posts are from the same user.
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Can we just detonate this fag from orbit the next time his tsunami of autism starts appearing on the board then? I'd have some respect for him if he was able to rile us up without writing a Dostoyevsky novel every time he posts.
 
One day Phil will be in a cardboard box, clutching his phone open to wwe champions as the last three percent of his battery die and his beloved 5 star hulkster slips away for the final time. In the movie portrayal they'll use some version of Nine Inch Nail's hurt, and you'll hear a horse neigh and gallop off into the distance as Phil succumbs to terminal gout
 
I cooked myself penne pasta with sauce the other day mostly for the meme. I used real fresh ingredients like real garlic,real tomatoes,bay leafs from my garden,etc. , my pasta was a delicious pomarola sauce and I also cooked chicken breast and a salad made of tomatoes and lettuce to go with it. This took me 30 minutes,how is it that it takes Phil the entire day to made a disgusting sugar sauce with pre-made ingredients? If I have to guess maybe he makes it as slow and as convolutedly as possible because the longer it takes the more he can brag about how he spends the entire day cooking and that somehow makes it good and shows he is a hard worker that will settle for no less than perfection when in reality all he did was make a disgusting sugar sauce in more steps.
 
Tatu Carreta said:
I cooked myself penne pasta with sauce the other day mostly for the meme. I used real fresh ingredients like real garlic,real tomatoes,bay leafs from my garden,etc. , my pasta was a delicious pomarola sauce and I also cooked chicken breast and a salad made of tomatoes and lettuce to go with it. This took me 30 minutes,how is it that it takes Phil the entire day to made a disgusting sugar sauce with pre-made ingredients? If I have to guess maybe he makes it as slow and as convolutedly as possible because the longer it takes the more he can brag about how he spends the entire day cooking and that somehow makes it good and shows he is a hard worker that will settle for no less than perfection when in reality all he did was make a disgusting sugar sauce in more steps.
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Why does it take him so long? Because he's retarded.

Nigga needs to use a notebook with step by step instructions. If he's made this hundreds of times, why does he need directions? Because he's retarded.
 
Tatu Carreta said:
I cooked myself penne pasta with sauce the other day mostly for the meme. I used real fresh ingredients like real garlic,real tomatoes,bay leafs from my garden,etc. , my pasta was a delicious pomarola sauce and I also cooked chicken breast and a salad made of tomatoes and lettuce to go with it. This took me 30 minutes,how is it that it takes Phil the entire day to made a disgusting sugar sauce with pre-made ingredients? If I have to guess maybe he makes it as slow and as convolutedly as possible because the longer it takes the more he can brag about how he spends the entire day cooking and that somehow makes it good and shows he is a hard worker that will settle for no less than perfection when in reality all he did was make a disgusting sugar sauce in more steps.
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I made kool-aid the other day, and it took me maybe 2 minutes. If one can fail so hard at making kool-aid ALL FUCKING DAY, they could easily be a real mature full time shtreeming adult with a mature adult house. I'm clearly not qualified.
 
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Even with the amount he makes, there's no need to cook it as long as he does.
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From a cursory look, it seems like spaghetti sauce is best slow cooked. Idk how long he is cooking it for, but it seems like it is supposed to be slow simmered for 1.5 to 3 hours.



 
After seeing this man spend 20 mins screwing up a cup of instant noodles, I wouldn't trust him to cook anything efficiently or correctly.
 
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Using canned ingredients as soon as they mix together your sauce is pretty much done and the simmering is merely to evaporate water and condense flavors. The longer you leave it the stronger it will be. Which is mostly for fresh ingredients since the flavors aren't as strong as things that come in a can.

Phil used all canned goods so pretty much he only really had to turn the heat on high for five or ten minutes with a 40 QT stock pot to warm it through to meld flavors before freezing.

It takes five minutes to open cans, if its taking him all day to direct his wife on how to open a can and dump in a pot im thinking she might be over medicated.
 
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Yeah, he's "simmering" his for upwards of 6-8 hours.
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i guess it depends on the heat applied and the flavor he is trying to achieve. If I look up slow cooker recipes for spaghetti sauce, I see that time range of 6-8 hours:


www.allrecipes.com

Meat-Lover's Slow Cooker Spaghetti Sauce

Brown some Italian sausage and ground beef, place in a slow cooker with tomatoes and Italian seasonings, and slow cook it for 8 hours. When you get home, boil up some pasta, and dinner tastes like you slaved all day at the stove.
www.allrecipes.com www.allrecipes.com

www.themagicalslowcooker.com

Slow Cooker Spaghetti Sauce - The Magical Slow Cooker

Slow Cooker Spaghetti sauce is slow-cooked and full of vegetables and herbs; perfect over any shape of pasta.
www.themagicalslowcooker.com www.themagicalslowcooker.com

Seems like the way its supposed to be done is cooked over low heat for 6-8 hours. I don't believe DSP uses a slow cooker, but from what I see on this thread:


slow cooking and cooking on the stove are the same thing, except with slow cooker you get better heat distribution so less stirring.

TL;DR: Seems like spaghetti sauce is actually supposed to be cooked over low heat, over several hours, with stirring to avoid burning.
 
I need to go search for more cooking people on this site but to be honest @sharpie most cooking threds are there mostly so those who can may help those who cant with the easiest possible directions given to not fuck it up.

Here's the thing with canned goods and using them to cook...you don't have to even cook them if you are freezing it. You mainly only do to get flavors developed because once it hits the cold its done and it wont get any more flavorful with reheating.

Yeah you can leave a sauce all day long, I do out of lazy and its even better and for as often as Phil takes "water refill" breaks im pretty sure he could stir then and it be just fine. You have to stir every now and then not consistently for hours this isn't a custard. Its tomato sauce it wont burn on low in twenty minutes without stirring i promise.
 
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