🐱 Using Elliot Page's 'deadname' is a problem—here's why - But he can continue to play gril roles

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Elliot Page released an Instagram post announcing that he is transgender—but many fans of the Umbrella Academy and Juno actor were unhappy with the way that the news was reported. Particularly, fans, member of the LGBTQ+ communities and allies were displeased at the media's continued use of the actor's birth name—or, as it is known among the trans community, his "deadname."

In many articles about Page's Instagram post, news outlets clarified the story with phrases like "formerly known as [birth name]". From a journalist's perspective, there is a temptation use a high-profile transgender man's birth name, especially when that person was well known under that name—as it adds clarity to the story and (more cynically) maxmizes search traffic on the article with the use of both names.


LGBTQ+ media advocacy groups are clear on this: The use of someone's deadname should be avoided in coverage of trans people, as it is harmful to many trans people and propagates a ciscentric worldview.

The reasons as to why are made clear in GLAAD's media reference guide about covering the trans community: "When a transgender person's birth name is used in a story, the implication is almost always that this is the person's 'real name.'

"But in fact, a transgender person's chosen name is their real name, whether or not they are able to obtain a court-ordered name change. Many people use names they have chosen for themselves, and the media does not mention their birth name when writing about them, (e.g., Lady Gaga, Demi Moore, Whoopi Goldberg). Transgender people should be accorded the same respect."

In an NBC News opinion piece, trans activist and ACLU staff attorney Chase Strangio put plainly the harm that deadnaming someone in an article does: "The one I was given at birth that does not align with my gender. It does not represent who I am but rather a painful past that I worked hard to move beyond."

He then describes his problems with the "formerly known as [birth name]" phrase: "by referring to me as "Chase Strangio, formerly known as [deadname]" is to ensure that I will never have the authority to claim the truth of who I am; it cedes that authority to a structure of power and discrimination that would rather I never existed at all."


Elliot Page has clarified how he should be referred to in his Instagram post: "My pronouns are he/they and my name is Elliot."

Though journalists may see the deadnaming of Elliot Page a special case due to him being a public figure pre-coming out, LGBTQ+ groups say that it propogates a language that is harmful to trans people, where their trans identity is merely seen as facade covering their "real" self, when in fact their trans identity is the real self.

Though the deadnaming of Page in an article may not have any negative repercussions on the actor (bar any mental health effects from seeing a name he no longer identifies with), it does propagate a system that has led to transgender people (particularly trans women of color) disproportionately being the victims of hate crimes.
 
Oh how I wish we were so fortunate that the next time we hear about this colossus of a forehead attached to a crackwhore has-been entertainer is an obituary.
Don't be so horrible; Ellen Page (or whatever) has turned in a lot of great performances. Have you seen "Mouth to Mouth"?
 
On one hand they want to pretend they're a new born person and their old identity is literally a dead person now but Elliot really needs to world to know how much Ellie achieved.

No fucker, start over from scratch and let's see how far white male privilege can take you. Will you become as recognized in the gender afterlife as before?

I hate everything about this deadname shit.
 
He then describes his problems with the "formerly known as [birth name]" phrase: "by referring to me as "Chase Strangio, formerly known as [deadname]" is to ensure that I will never have the authority to claim the truth of who I am; it cedes that authority to a structure of power and discrimination that would rather I never existed at all."
That's a pretty big series of leaps to make oneself into a puny victim under the massive thumb of a cruel, relentless world. No wonder troons 41 themselves, if this is how their minds work on a regular basis. No nuance allowed, whatsoever.

Like fuck, at least let society and public consciousness slowly transition along with you. It's only fair that people not immediately in the know (i.e. addicted to Twitter) get clued in a bit about who and what is actually being talked about.
So is Eliot Page a lesbian stuck in a man's body?
Or a straight man stuck in a female body?
Second one. Which makes the former lesbian wife an unwitting straight woman. But they both also still get to be 'queer'.
 
She fuckin pulled this stunt this year...around this time. She's an ass.

But also lol she ain't no elliot til she has a dick
A Frankendick won't make her a man. It'll just be another affectation like her 90s skater hat and her practiced slouch. Putting biology aside and approaching gender as a social construct, she never had the social interactions that make someone into a man. She spent her first 18 years as a girl, then the next--I don't know, 20?--years as a Hollywood starlet. And even if we ignore the social construct theory and adopt the trans theory that gender is an internal subjective feeling detached from biology and society, her feelings are qualitatively different than those of a man because she has never encountered any specifically masculine situations in which those kind of feelings might arise. She simply imagines her feelings are masculine. Ultimately, she doesn't have the lived to experience to know what masculine identity is, so she carries around this caricature and tries to enact it. Cutting skin off her forearm, rolling it into a tube, and attaching it to her crotch won't change that.

Am I a TERMRA?
 
It's confusing for me. I enjoyed referring to ellen page as an angsty 14 year old boy, but now that she wants to be regarded as male so I'm torn.

It'd be like if big Mike obama came out as a ftm.
 
"Hey David Cage you're into troons?"
"No, i'm into androids"
"How do you explain your binder full with Ellen Eliot Page pics?"

Does her trooning out make David Cage gay atleast retroactively?
 
"Hey David Cage you're into troons?"
"No, i'm into androids"
"How do you explain your binder full with Ellen Eliot Page pics?"

Does her trooning out make David Cage gay atleast retroactively?
David Cage always knew. Her character's invisible friend in his game is named Aiden.
 
"Hey David Cage you're into troons?"
"No, i'm into androids"
"How do you explain your binder full with Ellen Eliot Page pics?"

Does her trooning out make David Cage gay atleast retroactively?
According to this article, he's not even allowed to reference that "Elliot" was ever female in any way. Cage and anyone else who was ever attracted to someone who troons out before their transition has to change their sexuality to bi or be cancelled by the woke crowd.

Ellen Page, Trump level 4D chessmaster?
:cunningpepe:
 
I’m kind of glad I dropped Umbrella Academy way before this. I don’t think I could keep enjoying it knowing that one of the main characters is played by someone who turned out to be an exceptional individual, as petty as that may sound. She’s apparently still playing the same character, too, which is rather disconcerting.
 
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