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What does Biden’s win mean for Brexit?​

Election victory signals a reset in the US’s approach to post-Brexit trade talks with Britain

Lisa O'Carroll Brexit correspondent @lisaocarroll Sun 8 Nov 2020 09.08 GMT

A Joe Biden victory will have “big consequences for Brexit”, those close to the talks on the EU side have said, forcing the UK to think again over its approach to Northern Ireland and threat to disapply the withdrawal agreement.

Chris Coons, a close friend of Biden and a potential US secretary of state, told the BBC that Biden will want to “reimagine” the US’s transatlantic policy, the special relationship with the UK and its relationship with the EU, damaged by Donald Trump.

On Northern Ireland, he warned: “I would expect to be concerned about making sure that the Good Friday accords are respected and protected and that the ways in which the UK-EU terms are negotiated doesn’t put at risk the stability of the border terms in Northern Ireland”.

There is speculation that Biden’s first visit to Europe could be to Brussels and not London, Berlin or Paris, a clear sign that that the US wants to rebuild its relationship with Europe and repair the damage wrought by Trump in Nato, which is headquartered in Brussels, and through trade wars with Germany.

And there will be a reset in the approach of the US on trade talks with the UK. Biden was Barack Obama’s vice-president who warned the UK would be at the back of the queue over Brexit. But he has more recently made his views clear – warning that if the UK government opts for no deal and in doing so carries out its threat to override parts of the the withdrawal agreement signed in January relating to the Northern Ireland protocol, there will be no trade deal with the UK.

In September, he said the Good Friday agreement, which ended decades of bloody conflict in the region, cannot be “a casualty of Brexit”. “Any trade deal between the US and UK must be contingent upon respect for the agreement and preventing the return of a hard border. Period,” he said.

His views on the internal market bill will not, however, translate into a total reset for US-UK trade talks.

Georgie Wright, of the Institute for Government, says that if anything, Brexit will spur on the US to strike a trade deal with the UK as it could be a means of prizing open the door again for a trade deal with the EU.

Those on the EU side say both the US and Brussels have huge teams of negotiators and would have the capacity to run multiple talks.

“Trade is not top of the US agenda at the moment. After four years of the ‘America first’ doctrine, the Republicans don’t want any more trade deals, and the Democrats aren’t too hot on them either,” said Wright.

“It is hard to see how Biden would get a trade deal through Congress and a Republican Senate. But, it does see one advantage to a trade deal with the UK – and that is the possibility of gaining a foothold in Europe which it could use as a way of extracting more access from the EU. The thinking goes ‘if the UK, which has similar standards, accepts our goods – why can’t the EU market?’”she said.

Anthony Gardner, a former American ambassador to the EU, recently told an audience in Germany that while Brexit was bad, Biden valued the transatlantic relationship with Europe and with the UK.

“Here’s a dramatic difference: Donald Trump has only believed that the US-UK link was important, he was a cheerleader for Brexit. Joe Biden believes that the triangle of relationships, US-UK, UK-EU, US and EU, all have to work together, and you will see statements to that effect,” said Gardner.

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Remainer Twitter seems excited about the prospect of Boris being pushed into accepting a Deal before the New Years because the Orange Man fading away, but I don't much faith in them. What do you think?
 
>A Joe Biden victory will have “big consequences for Brexit”, those close to the talks on the EU side have said
>those close to the talks on the EU side have said
>on the EU side

that's all you need to know really
it's wishful thinking and fantasizing, eutards desperately grasping at straws, anything to let them believe they can somehow stop their empire from coming apart
 
I would say nothing because last thing the krauts want is to get more american imports (if you check the EU's list of trade partners, you'll see a very blatant bias towards partners that compete with the south and east, and a very obvious exclusion of any country whose economy would compete with german exports) but the Dems are stupid enough to actually ship USA's industry to the EU just like they shipped it to china under Obama. So I guess it will indeed take a lot of negotiating power away from Britain if Trump doesn't win. It shouldn't. If America was led by sensible people it wouldn't. But the dems are not sensible people.
 
Realistically, the a sensible UK would a CANZUK trade deal before dealing with the US. Whether under Trump or Biden, tying up with the US would probably end up being one which screws the UK silly. Removing itself from one large parasitic organisation to attach to another.

Get CANZUK done first before the US.
 
No, fuck off, it's ours.
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Realistically, the a sensible UK would a CANZUK trade deal before dealing with the US. Whether under Trump or Biden, tying up with the US would probably end up being one which screws the UK silly. Removing itself from one large parasitic organisation to attach to another.

Get CANZUK done first before the US.
Apparently we already got a trade deal with Japan so at least we'll probably be able to get cheap weebshit
 
Before there seemed to be a big push to lower food standards (Specifically to allow chlorinated chicken) which there was a big pushback against (It’s not just the food part, people argue it would also then mean lower animal welfare), it might still go ahead but this always seemed like Trump wanting to appeal to his voter base (US farmers) so might not be as big of a priority.

But the Irish border seems to be the big thing but nothing is going to change there, the issue is at first neither the UK or EU wanted to be the ones to say they’ll put up a border so they all just all sort of agreed they’d be some sort of technical solution which wouldn’t require a physical border which never emerged.

But a border is basically inevitable because Britain obviously wants to keep trade free and equal between all parts of the country and not alienate Northern Ireland while the EU wants a sea border between the UK and Northern Ireland and have Northern Ireland keep the same standards and whatever else as the EU, despite no longer being in the EU.

It‘s one of the two headline issues that’s stopping a deal, the other is the French wanting to keep fishing in UK waters and for some reason think they’re automatically entitled to because of arrangements they had in the EU which just seems crazy.
 
I can't explain the Ireland situation, but its easy enough to explain the fishing stuff: Frogs mad. It wasn't enough for William the Bastard of Normandy to take the throne from the native Saxons, nor was it enough to rebuke England's attempts to press claims on the French throne during the Hundred Years' War. The French are ass-mad that England and the English exist because everything they've tried since then has been hit with a massive "Lol no" from les rosbifs, and not even an alliance with the world's biggest empire at the time (Spain) was enough to help them win the inevitable fight to build an empire. Add in their hilarious dependency on the English to win against the Germans even with the Krauts stuck in a two-front war and they are incredibly butthurt that England exists, because their wounded pride cannot accept that they are not number one. So, obviously they're just going to be as petty as they can towards the English since they are incapable of harming the English in any other way aside from throwing a tantrum whenever the English want something of their own.
 
Brits should take solace in being officially less pathetic than white americans, who voted to have their rights eroded because they wanted people to stop saying mean things about them.
 
EU needs a hard border around it but Ireland-UK needs to have a soft border between it, since the UK is no longer in the EU these are contradictory requirements. Easy fix is to give Ireland back, tiocfaidh ár lá.
So that sounds like it's more the EU/Ireland's problem than the UK's. I mean, I know that the EU is the greatest political organ ever created and can never do wrong, but the UK has the freedom to enter in to and enforce whatever agreements it wants to while Ireland is being limited by Brussels, right?

IIRC, the UK is bound to turn over Northern Ireland if a majority of people on both sides of the line vote for it, right? But maybe Irexit would be a better idea.
 
So that sounds like it's more the EU/Ireland's problem than the UK's.
It's the UK's problem because the IRA will nailbomb londoners, they don't give a shit about the government's political squabbles, what they care about are results and they will do whatever it takes to get them.
 
So that sounds like it's more the EU/Ireland's problem than the UK's. I mean, I know that the EU is the greatest political organ ever created and can never do wrong, but the UK has the freedom to enter in to and enforce whatever agreements it wants to while Ireland is being limited by Brussels, right?

IIRC, the UK is bound to turn over Northern Ireland if a majority of people on both sides of the line vote for it, right? But maybe Irexit would be a better idea.
It's the UK's problem because they are a signatory to the GFA and a member of the WTO. They can't close the border without breaching the first, and in the absence of a trade deal with the EU, they can't leave the border open without attracting sanctions from the second.

The Brexiters great Orange hope was that Donald would fix it for them. That now being gone, they will probably have to honour the withdrawal agreement they already negotiated with the EU and stop acting like dicks.
 
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