1 killed, 2 in custody after gunfire erupts near downtown Denver rallies - ah shit here we go again

1 killed, 2 in custody after gunfire erupts near downtown Denver rallies - ah shit here we go again​

Police took two people into custody after a shooting occurred near the Colorado state Capitol that involved opposing protest groups

By: Bob D'Angelo, Cox Media Group National Content Desk
Updated: October 10, 2020 - 4:43 PM

DENVER — One person was killed and two people are in custody on Saturday after gunfire erupted near an area where protests between opposing groups in downtown Denver were occurring, authorities said.


The shooting occurred in the courtyard of the Denver Art Museum, KCNC reported.


A man participating in a “Patriot Rally,” which also included self-described Black Lives Matter-antifa protesters, sprayed mace at another man, according to the Denver Post. The man sprayed by mace then shot the first protester with a handgun, the newspaper reported.



The victim, whose identity has not been released, was transported to an area hospital and was later pronounced dead, KCNC reported.

https://twitter.com/denverpost/status/1315053544890826753

One of the two persons taken into custody was not involved in the shooting, according to the Denver Police Department.

According to a later tweet from police, “further investigation has determined the (other) suspect is a private security guard with no affiliation with antifa.”

Officials said more information will be released “as it becomes available.”

https://twitter.com/DenverPolice/status/1315046508572491776

The Patriot Rally was scheduled for 2 p.m. local time, KUSA reported. The counter protest, called a “BLM-Antifa Soup Drive,” began 30 minutes earlier at Civic Center Park, which is located next to the state Capitol, the television station reported.

Police, who earlier fired what appeared to be pepper balls at the leftist protest group, said they were working on a homicide investigation, the Post reported.

Several Denver police officers in riot gear were on the scene when the shooting occurred, KMGH reported. Witnesses said the victim was shot at point-blank range, the television station reported.

The Denver Police Department did not provide specifics about the shooting but released a statement.

“The Denver Police Department respects the right to peacefully assemble,” the statement read. “Those who participate in protests, demonstrations, marches, or other gatherings, as protected by the First Amendment, are reminded to do so in a lawful manner. Individuals who choose to act outside of local, state and federal law, will be subject to citation or arrest.”

https://twitter.com/BySajaHindi/status/1315081317315420160

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/1-killed-2-custody-after-gunfire-erupts-near-downtown-denver-rallies/BIKIAOQLPFAXHEEK57BKKX5JII/

Viddy: https://twitter.com/i/status/1315110109303824384

Media is in full damage control, the shooter was a "random security guard" who attacked in "self defence" after being maced and is not affiliated with Antifa because Antifa does not exist and is just an idea.

Also Twitter celebrating the kill.

 

[Shield Breaker]

Having it in your pocket or a holster away from prying eyes would be concealed carry. Which permitted security people are generally allowed to do in the course of their job.

Open carry is when you wear your six gun on your hip old west style.

Doesn't look like he has a holster. So tucking the gun in your back pocket counts as concealment? Crazy.

 

[Particle Bored]

Boonie hat man is the one doing the carrying and the smacking.

Soy security just stepped between him and the guy he was protecting.

It's like you intentionally read that sentence the wrong way to try to twist it.

"smack" "other hand" figure it out.

My point in highlighting those two phrases was to point out that calling the use of lethal force in the face of a slap and a can of mace a "clean shoot" is ludicrous.

If someone comes up to you, hits you, then raises a can of mace to spray at you when you have every right to do what you are doing. You can shoot them.

STAND YOUR GROUND LAW

It's like I'm arguing with the twitter tards when the cops smoke some retard attacking them here. The laws aren't like some forcefield that only protects right wing people, ffs. They can be dumbfucks who get out of line and need to be settled down with 135 grain 9mm too.

We don't hit people. There are consequences for that. K?

So which part is the threat of death or great bodily harm, the smack or the mace? Because that's what justified homicide requires.

https://www.shouselaw.com/co/defense/legal-defenses/self-defense/

Some bolded terms at that link to look out for: degree of force and reasonable belief.

 

[inception_state]

If someone comes up to you, hits you, then raises a can of mace to spray at you when you have every right to do what you are doing. You can shoot them.

STAND YOUR GROUND LAW

It's like I'm arguing with the twitter tards when the cops smoke some retard attacking them here. The laws aren't like some forcefield that only protects right wing people, ffs. They can be dumbfucks who get out of line and need to be settled down with 135 grain 9mm too.

We don't hit people. There are consequences for that. K?

Here's Colorado's self-defense requirements:

18-1-704 C.R.S. permits people to utilize force which they reasonably believe is required to protect themselves or others from an offense involving the implementation of physical force. Note that reacting with deadly physical force is legally justified only in the following three situations:

- The victim reasonably believes non-deadly force is inadequate, and the victim has reasonable grounds to believe — and does believe — that he/she or another victim is in imminent danger of dying or being seriously injured; or
- The victim reasonably believes non-deadly force is inadequate, and the aggressor is using — or reasonably appears about to be using — physical force while carrying out — or trying to carry out — burglary; or
- The victim reasonably believes non-deadly force is inadequate, and the aggressor is carrying out — or reasonably appears about to be carrying out — a kidnapping, robbery, or sexual assault.

Note that physical force is not legally justified in either of the following three situations:

- A person provokes the other person to use unlawful physical force and with the intent to bring about physical injury or death to another person; or
- A person is the initial aggressor (however, initial aggressors can legally use physical force if they with withdraw from the fight, convey their intent to withdraw, but the other person persists in using — or threatening to use — illegal physical force); or
- Any physical force is from an unauthorized “combat by agreement”, such as a rumble or gang fight

I don't think the security guy reasonably believed that non-deadly force was inadequate, or that anyone was in imminent danger of dying or being seriously injured. The protestor he shot was standing ~10 feet away, and sprayed some pepper spray between himself and the shooter. He wasn't moving towards the shooter, and would have had to run through his own cloud of pepper spray to do so.

Even if the facts do support the shooting being potentially within the bounds of self-defense, I still think it was a completely idiotic decision. The smart move would have been to simply keep backing up after the protestor demonstrated that he was willing to get physical. Now, instead of going home, that security guy is looking at potential murder charges, lawyer fees, and years of misery as this hangs over his head. Contrast this with Kyle - he had no choice, it was shoot or probably die to a violent felon going after his gun.

Also, in terms of stuff that shouldn't matter but definitely will for a jury, we have:
- A tacticool pistol
- A one-tap headshot (arguably this shows poor training as well)
- Potential antifa association (all it takes a sharing a meme, remember James Fields?)

 

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Doesn't look like he has a holster. So tucking the gun in your back pocket counts as concealment? Crazy.

He's likely either wearing an outside-the-waistband holster that rides high enough to be covered by his shirt (this counts as concealed carry), or an inside-the-waistband holster.

If the gun is deep enough in the pocket to not be exposed, it counts as concealed. I'm not sure where "printing" (outline visible through clothes/fabric) falls on the "concealed" scale.

I don't think the security guy reasonably believed that non-deadly force was inadequate, or that anyone was in imminent danger of dying or being seriously injured. The protestor he shot was standing ~10 feet away, and sprayed some pepper spray between himself and the shooter. He wasn't moving towards the shooter, and would have had to run through his own cloud of pepper spray to do so.

Note also that there's a legal difference as well between "reasonable belief" and "subjective belief."

"But I was afraid the White SupremiNazi was going to crush my skull with his bare hands on the pavement right there in front of a half dozen cameras... that seemed like the logical progression after the open hand slap" is not a "reasonable" belief.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

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Doesn't look like he has a holster. So tucking the gun in your back pocket counts as concealment? Crazy.

There are plenty of very nice holsters out there that tuck into your waistband. You make huge amounts of effort in concealed carry so that nobody knows you are doing it. That is the entire goddamn point.

Here's Colorado's self-defense requirements:


I don't think the security guy reasonably believed that non-deadly force was inadequate, or that anyone was in imminent danger of dying or being seriously injured. The protestor he shot was standing ~10 feet away, and sprayed some pepper spray between himself and the shooter. He wasn't moving towards the shooter, and would have had to run through his own cloud of pepper spray to do so.

And the jury will be shown the photo of him getting the backhand and the mace ready to be used in the other hand. Then he will walk. Mace blinds you. It leaves you unable to form a proper defense. Notice that his glasses got knocked off with the smack. How was he supposed to know this guy's intentions once that crap was deployed?

"Reasonable belief"

How many times have we been through this, jeez. Cops smoke people all the time and get off scott free with this same exact defense. They get away with it not because they are cops but because it is a valid use of force defense argument that anyone can use.

 

[heathercho]

 

[inception_state]

And the jury will be shown the photo of him getting the backhand and the mace ready to be used in the other hand. Then he will walk. Mace blinds you. It leaves you unable to form a proper defense. Notice that his glasses got knocked off with the smack. How was he supposed to know this guy's intentions once that crap was deployed?

It's going to be tough to sell a jury on the idea that something designed as a non-lethal self-defense tool was intended to cause serious bodily injury or death. They'll have to prove that security guy had a reasonable belief that the protestor was going to pepper-spray him and then bash his brains in (despite the crowd of onlookers and nearby cops). I'm leaning towards this guy getting jail time, but it's definitely going to depend on the totality of the circumstances. There could easily be additional footage or evidence that could tip it one way or the other.

How many times have we been through this, jeez. Cops smoke people all the time and get off scott free with this same exact defense. They get away with it not because they are cops but because it is a valid use of force defense argument that anyone can use.

There is a huge presumption of trustworthiness for cops that regular people don't get. Showing up in a pristine dress uniform and saying "based on my 20 years of experience as a police officer, with training A, B, and C, with commendations, etc, etc." adds so much credibility to their side of the story in a use of force scenario that falls into a gray area.

 

[Particle Bored]

And the jury will be shown the photo of him getting the backhand and the mace ready to be used in the other hand. Then he will walk. Mace blinds you. It leaves you unable to form a proper defense. Notice that his glasses got knocked off with the smack. How was he supposed to know this guy's intentions once that crap was deployed?

How was he supposed to know his intentions? Well when he was within arm's reach he got an open hand slap. I don't think that assuming he would escalate from that to maiming or murder is a "reasonable belief," and I don't think a jury will either.

"Reasonable belief"

How many times have we been through this, jeez. Cops smoke people all the time and get off scott free with this same exact defense. They get away with it not because they are cops but because it is a valid use of force defense argument that anyone can use.

Anyone can use it, but it's only valid if the evidence supports it, or if the lack of evidence creates "reasonable doubt." Anyone can use it, but that doesn't mean the jury will accept it.

The photographer obviously saw the entire interaction, so hopefully they give a truthful accounting of what happened between frames, but from what's available thus far, I'm hard pressed to think what may come out to justify, legally or morally, the shooter's escalation.

 

[dry roasted]

The hacker Anonymous aka 4Chan is busting open this case with information on the shooter. Collection of images

 

[inception_state]

The hacker Anonymous aka 4Chan is busting open this case with information on the shooter. Collection of images

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Lol and here's the website for the band he was in at age 15. What a great lesson in not using the same name everywhere.
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And I've finally solved the mystery of his radicalization:
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[ColtWalker1847]

How was he supposed to know his intentions?

Uh. He had a can of mace in his hand ready to deploy and he hit him. That alone is enough to cross the "reasonable belief" standard that, hey, maybe this guy isn't going to invite me back to his place for a tea party. He is probably looking to do me harm. Especially the hitting bit.

We don't hit. It's sort of like a Rubicon in these use-of-force situations. Once you take a swing, your life becomes forfeit. You either win, have it deescalate, or die. All options are pretty shit.

Have I mentioned in the last dozen or so pages what a stupid idea it is to be at one of these poorly secured free-for-all riotous protests thingies? Feels like I should do it again.

 

[Particle Bored]

The hacker Anonymous aka 4Chan is busting open this case with information on the shooter. Collection of images

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If that's the right Twitter, it's pretty bland. He replied to a Tim Pool tweet without calling him a fascist enabler (although this was before riots kicked off and Pool said he was voting Trump), so he doesn't look too unhinged I guess. I get the impression of lefter-than-Dems liberal-that-likes-guns but not full-on Antifa. He didn't generally tweet much though. It's unfortunate that in the current political/media climate, I can see a possibly otherwise tolerable lefty as he appears getting brainwashed into a general mindset of "Trump supporter = violent white supremacist fascist = they secretly want to murder me" and "Antifa just means anti-fascist. You're not pro-fascist, are you?"

We don't hit. It's sort of like a Rubicon in these use-of-force situations. Once you take a swing, your life becomes forfeit.

I mean, that may be your personal standard, but it's not the legal one.

 

[DrunkJoe]

Spitting on someone is a form of assault. Doesn't mean you can shoot someone for it.


Let me know when you get around to an actual justification for lethal force.

Dude just because its an anti fag doing the shooting doesnt always mean it was a bad shot. If you mace someone they can shoot you for it. Go mace a cop and see if he doesnt shoot your ass. If someone comes up and shoots mace at me im mag dumping them too.

 

[Particle Bored]

Dude just because its an anti fag doing the shooting doesnt always mean it was a bad shot. If you mace someone they can shoot you for it. Go mace a cop and see if he doesnt shoot your ass. If someone comes up and shoots mace at me im mag dumping them too.

You two seem to have no concept of escalation of force or how it relates to legally justifiable homicide. I guess the jury will just have to decide.

 

[Ly Erg]

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Oh man. The photoshop potential for this looks good honestly.

 

[ThickBroly]

shooter confirmed bernie bro, check for yourself here

Browse Receipts - FEC.gov

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www.fec.gov

of course the FEC hasnt digitized the image of the receipt and probably never will. it would have a lot more info on it, including his full address.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

You two seem to have no concept of escalation of force or how it relates to legally justifiable homicide. I guess the jury will just have to decide.

Ah yes good sir. What this young rumpled soy footpad did to the tattooed elderly sailor from the south seas was most unsporting. He should have demanded satisfaction on the dueling grounds like a gentleman.

 

[Roybertitos]

I think it's pretty common for private security to sport Space Invaders tattoos.
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(I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if Antifags/sympathizers were getting jobs with private security companies)

According to Memeology's vid on the topic, it's been used as an Antifa symbol. The text is likely something like "Space Invaders Against Fashism" or something like that.

 

[Kulee Baba]

Uh. He had a can of mace in his hand ready to deploy and he hit him. That alone is enough to cross the "reasonable belief" standard that, hey, maybe this guy isn't going to invite me back to his place for a tea party. He is probably looking to do me harm. Especially the hitting bit.

We don't hit. It's sort of like a Rubicon in these use-of-force situations. Once you take a swing, your life becomes forfeit. You either win, have it deescalate, or die. All options are pretty shit.

Have I mentioned in the last dozen or so pages what a stupid idea it is to be at one of these poorly secured free-for-all riotous protests thingies? Feels like I should do it again.

So being sprayed with Mace is grounds to shoot someone now? Our boy Chris got off easy by just getting jail & slap on the wrist for this.

If this dude doesn't just plea to a small crime he's going to need a Top Notch lawyer who can work the system. And low tier security guards generally don't make that kind of money.

As for the Space Invader Tattoo being a "conspiracy" what 30 year old is a fan of fucking Space Invaders? That game was a total relic when he was a kid.

 

[Inventor of the Telephone]

Dude just because its an anti fag doing the shooting doesnt always mean it was a bad shot. If you mace someone they can shoot you for it. Go mace a cop and see if he doesnt shoot your ass. If someone comes up and shoots mace at me im mag dumping them too.

If someone attacked me with pepper spray I'd feel justified in replying with deadly force. Once they disable me with pepper spray they could do whatever they like to me. My life would be in danger for sure at that moment.