Science Physicists build circuit that generates clean, limitless power from graphene - Thermodynamics is our bitch now

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A team of University of Arkansas physicists has successfully developed a circuit capable of capturing graphene's thermal motion and converting it into an electrical current.


"An energy-harvesting circuit based on graphene could be incorporated into a chip to provide clean, limitless, low-voltage power for small devices or sensors," said Paul Thibado, professor of physics and lead researcher in the discovery.


The findings, published in the journal Physical Review E, are proof of a theory the physicists developed at the U of A three years ago that freestanding graphene—a single layer of carbon atoms—ripples and buckles in a way that holds promise for energy harvesting.


The idea of harvesting energy from graphene is controversial because it refutes physicist Richard Feynman's well-known assertion that the thermal motion of atoms, known as Brownian motion, cannot do work. Thibado's team found that at room temperature the thermal motion of graphene does in fact induce an alternating current (AC) in a circuit, an achievement thought to be impossible.


In the 1950s, physicist Léon Brillouin published a landmark paper refuting the idea that adding a single diode, a one-way electrical gate, to a circuit is the solution to harvesting energy from Brownian motion. Knowing this, Thibado's group built their circuit with two diodes for converting AC into a direct current (DC). With the diodes in opposition allowing the current to flow both ways, they provide separate paths through the circuit, producing a pulsing DC current that performs work on a load resistor.


Credit: University of Arkansas
Additionally, they discovered that their design increased the amount of power delivered. "We also found that the on-off, switch-like behavior of the diodes actually amplifies the power delivered, rather than reducing it, as previously thought," said Thibado. "The rate of change in resistance provided by the diodes adds an extra factor to the power."


The team used a relatively new field of physics to prove the diodes increased the circuit's power. "In proving this power enhancement, we drew from the emergent field of stochastic thermodynamics and extended the nearly century-old, celebrated theory of Nyquist," said coauthor Pradeep Kumar, associate professor of physics and coauthor.




According to Kumar, the graphene and circuit share a symbiotic relationship. Though the thermal environment is performing work on the load resistor, the graphene and circuit are at the same temperature and heat does not flow between the two.


That's an important distinction, said Thibado, because a temperature difference between the graphene and circuit, in a circuit producing power, would contradict the second law of thermodynamics. "This means that the second law of thermodynamics is not violated, nor is there any need to argue that 'Maxwell's Demon' is separating hot and cold electrons," Thibado said.




The team also discovered that the relatively slow motion of graphene induces current in the circuit at low frequencies, which is important from a technological perspective because electronics function more efficiently at lower frequencies.


"People may think that current flowing in a resistor causes it to heat up, but the Brownian current does not. In fact, if no current was flowing, the resistor would cool down," Thibado explained. "What we did was reroute the current in the circuit and transform it into something useful."


The team's next objective is to determine if the DC current can be stored in a capacitor for later use, a goal that requires miniaturizing the circuit and patterning it on a silicon wafer, or chip. If millions of these tiny circuits could be built on a 1-millimeter by 1-millimeter chip, they could serve as a low-power battery replacement.

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I don't see what's unreasonable about it. It's simply a way of converting thermal energy to electrical energy on a small scale. It's not like it creates energy out of nothing. Reporting that suggest it is is... well, to be expected, but also clickbait.
 
I don't see what's unreasonable about it. It's simply a way of converting thermal energy to electrical energy on a small scale. It's not like it creates energy out of nothing. Reporting that suggest it is is... well, to be expected, but also clickbait.
you're missing one important aspect:
According to Kumar, the graphene and circuit share a symbiotic relationship. Though the thermal environment is performing work on the load resistor, the graphene and circuit are at the same temperature and heat does not flow between the two.
No heat transfer = no heat to energy conversion. This isn't a Seebeck generator (though in reality, a similar effect is probably what they observed and failed to rule out). It supposedly relies on Brownian motion.
 
I don't see what's unreasonable about it. It's simply a way of converting thermal energy to electrical energy on a small scale. It's not like it creates energy out of nothing. Reporting that suggest it is is... well, to be expected, but also clickbait.
No heat transfer = no heat to energy conversion. This isn't a Seebeck generator (though in reality, a similar effect is probably what they observed and failed to rule out). It supposedly relies on Brownian motion.
if they take energy from brownian motion then said motion would decrease over time. decreasing motion of particles = decreasing kinetic energy of particles = decreasing temperature. over time, the graphene would have to cool down as energy is extracted. but you can't extract useful energy from cooling something down below ambient temperature (if you could then refrigerators would generate power instead of consuming it) so there's gotta be a drawback to this idea that isn't mentioned in the article.
 
"Energy harvesting" is code for not producing any amount of usable power and being inferior to a coin cell.
 
Sensationalist title aside, this seems like a pretty clever way to harness otherwise wasted potential, assuming it works in any appreciable fashion. Still pretty neat!
 
Meh, he's a liberal faggot but where has he been wrong on scientific matters?
(btw, it's not Anita he has the hots for; it's Ana Kasparian from TYT)

He's wrong far more often than he admits to. That video he did on the hyperloop is a good example. Some of the reasons he claimed it wouldn't work were utterly nonsensical, to the point it made multiple comment on how he didn't seem to understand basic physics, among other things. He ended up going through and deleting a ton of comments that called out blatant mistakes he made or things he claimed that flat out didn't make sense
 
Thunderfoot is an autistic retard who has the hots for Anita Sarkesian. Don't put too much faith in anything he does.
Agreed. I'd wait until Dave Jones from EEVBlog has filtered out all of Thunderf00t's autism and watch that instead.

Meanwhile, even if this indeed a neat physicist party trick, it's useless without some way of harnessing or storing the energy. That seems some way off...

The team's next objective is to determine if the DC current can be stored in a capacitor for later use, a goal that requires miniaturizing the circuit and patterning it on a silicon wafer, or chip. If millions of these tiny circuits could be built on a 1-millimeter by 1-millimeter chip, they could serve as a low-power battery replacement.
 
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He's wrong far more often than he admits to.
Of course HE doesn't admit he's wrong very often. If you want a few giggles, look him up via google scholar then look up who cites him and read some of the abstracts. Some of his stuff on guanadinium thiocyanate get responded to critically in the abstract and the way it goes from there is like two nerds in a labcoat having a slapfight over some obscure properties of some obscure chemical. Would recommend. Too bad the full studies are behind paywalls.
But I'm curious on what you mean by the hyperloop stuff. what did he get wrong?
 
bet it's either bullshit or unscaleable like the casimir effect

I'm going to say the same, this is like the zero-point energy theory, or the peltier effect: An interesting discovery, can be made to do something small and trivial to "prove" it's existence, but can't do any meaningful work for humanity because the effect is a function of atomic-level quantum-physics funniness that doesn't scale from the micro to macro level.

Those already lining up to buy their graphene-fueled cars are going to be disappointed. This is like the discovery of the quartz crystal's inherent resonance making accurate miniaturized timekeeping like digital wristwatches possible, not some new clean eternal energy source. Might have some ingenious applications, but free energy isn't one of them.
 
I'm going to say the same, this is like the zero-point energy theory, or the peltier effect: An interesting discovery, can be made to do something small and trivial to "prove" it's existence, but can't do any meaningful work for humanity because the effect is a function of atomic-level quantum-physics funniness that doesn't scale from the micro to macro level.
Peltier effect is actually used in [semi-]practical applications.
 
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