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I mean yeah technically you can probably but It's weird, who's that terrified of interaction. Or are people just creaking to have an excuse for a justified kill?
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Why does boogie hate sam hyde?
 
CORRUPT🍀 said:
I mean yeah technically you can probably but It's weird, who's that terrified of interaction. Or are people just creaking to have an excuse for a justified kill?
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Yeah a lot of people get a gun and start daydreaming about getting to shoot someone. It's ridiculous how hard it is for most people to just kill another person, though. Most people, almost all people, just can't. It takes training and believing the other person is less than human, or truly feeling like you'll be killed at that moment. A feeling of desperation. This isn't warfare, it's two fat spergs slapfighting. That's how most shootings happen, and it's why so many people survive them.

Hardened criminals and veterans who think they're at war are different, but we're not talking about that.

These guys are wearing children's clothing, for shit sake. Sandals on a grown man. Thinking anyone would actually get shot is fantasy.

edit: most people have a hard time the first time they go out hunting, let alone the first time they're confronted with any reason to fire in self defense.

I don't think this is self defense. There's got to be a reasonable threat to your life or a felony going on.
 
Ethan Ralphs Micro Penis said:
Boogie hates Sam so much he kept calling Frank Sam
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Frank broke his brain. Not that it would be expected to take much. I imagine if the cops do get involved the biggest accomplishment will be for them to confiscate any firearms at the residence of a self admitted mentally ill person.
 
The fuckin dogs face in the background, lmao. Wish I could zoom in and make it more visable but I'm on my phone, but even the shitty view I have now is cracking me up. He's looking at boogie like even he, a fucking dog, is astonished at the retardation of it all?? :story:
 
Boogie spewed a massive blast of passive aggressive bullshit on Matt. Trying to bury Matt in guilt for questioning anything about his version of events doesn't help his case either way. As Null pointed out, underneath Boogie's facade is a calculating businessman and knowing this makes his whole performance seem phony and strained.
 
There were several things funny about the Matt call.

1. Boogie's overall defensiveness and insistence that Matt should have asked him for the talking points first.
2. The admission Boogie sent Keem and Ralph footage before the police had even arrived.
3. Boogie claims that he studied Andy Kaufman, who's performances are literally supposed to make you question if something is real or not.
4. Boogie claims that his Twitch personality is not his real personality, when on the Boogie #Killstream I was on, I very specifically remember him saying his Twitch personality was his real one.
5. Boogie comes across as an abusive boyfriend talking down to his mentally battered girlfriend the entire time he's talking to Matt.
 
bugfy said:
Boogie spewed a massive blast of passive aggressive bullshit on Matt. Trying to bury Matt in guilt for questioning anything about his version of events doesn't help his case either way. As Null pointed out, underneath Boogie's facade is a calculating businessman and knowing this makes his whole performance seem phony and strained.
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Yeah this. He's a fat sneak and you just hit the nail on the head. This is what fucks me off. The insincere shit, Looksa like people are getting it. Andy fucking Kauffman indeed!

Thank you cuddle striker,

If you watched that dropped your dogs video you'll see Franks persona crumbles as he gets in Sam Hyde car. Which is fine, cos it's still funny, I enjoy the pageantry and shit but don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining,
 
Boogie's video of him playing the victim really set him up as a professional victim. I am curious if charges will be pressed as it is in a residential area. I do wonder what the repercussions of this will be as Boogie has been on thin ice for a few years now.
 
I'm really interested to hear somebody who disagrees with me and thinks boogie was justified to make a pitch on how he had an objectively reasonable fear that frank was going to break in or commit a felony assault. I just don't see it.

Boogie was definitely subjectively freaked out, and frank is a major asshole, But, I just don't see how a reasonable person would feel threatened.
 
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There were several things funny about the Matt call.

1. Boogie's overall defensiveness and insistence that Matt should have asked him for the talking points first.
2. The admission Boogie sent Keem and Ralph footage before the police had even arrived.
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He also said he sent the footage to DeFranco and "anybody who wanted it", so he's going for maximum coverage on his frontrunning.
 
HumanHive said:
Reminder that “warning shots” and “shoot to wound/incapacitate” is always illegal. Either shoot to kill because you feel your life is threatened, or open your gunt wide for not just criminal charges, but civil court for monetary damages after that.
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No. Go ahead and find me the law that says shooting to wound is illegal. You won't, because it doesn't exist. There are a ton of opinions, especially in gun forums and articles, that any sort of warning shot or wounding shot is terrible and should never be done. That's a perfectly reasonable opinion. Doesn't make it "always illegal" which has unfortunately become one of those misconceptions that fester on the internet. It's not illegal unless there's a law against it. You can also put your feet up on the dash while being driven on the highway and it's not illegal (but it is dumb).

Also for legal purposes you never, EVER want to "shoot to kill." You "shoot to stop."
So, as to wounding, because that's the easy one. If you have the justification to use deadly force on someone you have the justification to use lesser force, including 'shooting to wound'. There is absolutely nothing illegal about that and no law that says you must use only deadly force when justified (although note that shooting someone is deadly force regardless). It's almost always tactically inadvisable to 'shoot to wound,' but it's not illegal. The only half-arguement you could make is that the prosecutor might try and say that your attempt to wound points towards you not thinking that they were actually a threat; however if we're going in that direction we have to realize that there are cases of prosecutors making the opposite argument, that shooting someone in the chest without a warning shot was indicative of murderous intent! Ultimately the question is whether the level of force was warranted or not depends on a reasonable fear and state law.

As to 'warning shots' there are 50 different states and I don't know if any of them directly criminalize warning shots- but some of them specifically ALLOW warning shots! As to Arkansas, there is no mention in the statutes that I can find. The state-mandated carry license course only mentions it as being almost always a bad idea but does not include it in the law section.

Where someone can find themselves in legal peril is if they:
A) Fire a 'warning shot' when they did not have justification for deadly force. The difference between missing and firing a warning shot is such that you may find yourself on trial for attempted murder for your warning shot. The warning shot is not illegal, it's just that you need justification to shoot either way.
B) Fire a warning shot recklessly. If you fire a shot towards someone's house, you are likely guilty of reckless endangerment or whatever the state charge is called. Firing into the air... possibly the same issue although there are instances of people doing just that and not being charged in Arkansas. But if you fire a bullet into the ground it's not necessarily reckless. Again, it's not that warning shots are illegal- it's the method in which they are done that may lend itself to reckless endangerment. But not necessarily (as long as "A" is not in play).

I'm not interested in arguing whether someone SHOULD fire warning shots or shoot to wound but it's not 'always illegal.'
 
So I've listened to the killstream with the two of these guys and listened to the confrontation like two dozens times, Its a hoax in that boogie knows hes not in danger, and hes playing the victim for views. He had no intention of shooting frank, but i dont think frank knew that. Maybe he even used a fake gun so that he wont get in serious trouble for shooting off a warning shot. Frank Hassle obviously hasnt released his footage yet because he wants to edit it and put it behind a paywall.
 
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No. Go ahead and find me the law that says shooting to wound is illegal. You won't, because it doesn't exist. There are a ton of opinions, especially in gun forums and articles, that any sort of warning shot or wounding shot is terrible and should never be done. That's a perfectly reasonable opinion. Doesn't make it "always illegal" which has unfortunately become one of those misconceptions that fester on the internet. It's not illegal unless there's a law against it. You can also put your feet up on the dash while being driven on the highway and it's not illegal (but it is dumb).

Also for legal purposes you never, EVER want to "shoot to kill." You "shoot to stop."
So, as to wounding, because that's the easy one. If you have the justification to use deadly force on someone you have the justification to use lesser force, including 'shooting to wound'. There is absolutely nothing illegal about that and no law that says you must use only deadly force when justified (although note that shooting someone is deadly force regardless). It's almost always tactically inadvisable to 'shoot to wound,' but it's not illegal. The only half-arguement you could make is that the prosecutor might try and say that your attempt to wound points towards you not thinking that they were actually a threat; however if we're going in that direction we have to realize that there are cases of prosecutors making the opposite argument, that shooting someone in the chest without a warning shot was indicative of murderous intent! Ultimately the question is whether the level of force was warranted or not depends on a reasonable fear and state law.

As to 'warning shots' there are 50 different states and I don't know if any of them directly criminalize warning shots- but some of them specifically ALLOW warning shots! As to Arkansas, there is no mention in the statutes that I can find. The state-mandated carry license course only mentions it as being almost always a bad idea but does not include it in the law section.

Where someone can find themselves in legal peril is if they:
A) Fire a 'warning shot' when they did not have justification for deadly force. The difference between missing and firing a warning shot is such that you may find yourself on trial for attempted murder for your warning shot. The warning shot is not illegal, it's just that you need justification to shoot either way.
B) Fire a warning shot recklessly. If you fire a shot towards someone's house, you are likely guilty of reckless endangerment or whatever the state charge is called. Firing into the air... possibly the same issue although there are instances of people doing just that and not being charged in Arkansas. But if you fire a bullet into the ground it's not necessarily reckless. Again, it's not that warning shots are illegal- it's the method in which they are done that may lend itself to reckless endangerment. But not necessarily (as long as "A" is not in play).

I'm not interested in arguing whether someone SHOULD fire warning shots or shoot to wound but it's not 'always illegal.'
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I think the real problem people have with it is that some people act like "shooting to wound" isn't deadly force, even though it is. If you aren't justified in using deadly force, you're not justified in "shooting to wound."
 
Man, I'm torn.
On the one hand:
- A lot of content creators have been trying to promote the shit out of Story Fire.
- Both in the interview and in the confrontation, Boogie seems to be using his "acting" voice.
- Story Fire was created by McJuggerNuggets, a piece of shit I hate for how manipulative he was. I vividly remember people empathizing with him due to the Psycho Dad videos, not realizing how fake they were. Instead of coming clean, he continued accepting money and gifts from this idiots. Boogie is very good friends with McJuggerNuggets and KidBEhindThecamera, another piece of shit that sold obviously fake angry reactions as real.
- This is the kind of Script McJuggerNuggets could come up with.

But on the other hand...
- I think there's too much bad blood between Frank and Boogie. I think Frank wouldn't collaborate with Boogie ever.
- Actual police reports. The autism would've to be endless in order to risk going to jail over a script.

I'm leaning towards real, but damn.... I wouldn't put it beyond Boogie to appeal to this kind of manipulation through shock value, like McJuggerNuggets.
 
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