German State Bremen bans Reich flag

https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2...bids-imperial-flags-in-public.Hkr3fArGBv.html
The federal state of Bremen bans Reich and Reich war flags in public.

A corresponding decree will come into force next Monday, as the city's interior authorities announced.

According to the information, the police law will be supplemented by a provision that prohibits the public display and use of the historical flags.

Officials are allowed to confiscate the flags in the event of violations, the owners face a future fine of up to 1,000 euros.









Bremen's Interior Senator Ulrich Mäurer (SPD) described the flags as "symbols of National Socialist and xenophobic sentiments" that should be banned from the public.

"It was time to act," he said, referring to the recent demonstrations against the measures to contain the corona pandemic in Berlin, where right-wing extremists waved the flags of the German Empire in front of the Reichstag.









The Reich and Reich war flags have long been regarded as a symbol of identification of right-wing extremists, Reich citizens and other opponents of democracy.

Unlike swastika flags and similar National Socialist badges, they are not prohibited.

So far there have only been provisions that the police can confiscate them in certain cases, for example during demonstrations.









In the decree, according to the Bremen interior authorities, the ban is justified by the fact that showing the black-white-red flags "represents a lasting impairment of the requirements for an orderly civic coexistence and thus a danger to public order".

It applies to all variants of the Reich War Flag.

The simple imperial flag is only affected if "there is a specific provocation effect in the individual case".

tl:dr germans are retarded and banning a non party national flag lmao

 

[CatboyCumDump]

Striesand Effect in 3....2....1

 

[Monika H.]

Not surprised.
In some states there was also talk about banning not only 2nd Reich symbols, but also DDR imagery.

 

[Jann_Hörn]

tl:dr germans are retarded and banning a non party national flag lmao

There was a German party that used the Imperial flag following the end of the Kaiser, the twist is that they were murdered by the Nazis.

They were called theDeutschnationale Volkspartei. You can read all about them on Wikipedia. They were the people who tried to assassinate Hitler in 1944. Most of German history is completely revisionist, the empire was a much better time for Germans all around. The nazi party is left wing for all intents and purposes. They eliminated the free market, which was a key tenant of the Empire and their success. They forced everyone into unions and redistributed wealth from Jews and other minorities who happened to be rich.

 

[le fishe]

Not surprised.
In some states there was also talk about banning not only 2nd Reich symbols, but also DDR imagery.

get fucked merkel

 

[Stoneheart]

Good! The Kaiserreich was a msitake, Prussia should have annexed the lesser germans without making them full citizens.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

There was a German party that used the Imperial flag following the end of the Kaiser, the twist is that they were murdered by the Nazis.

They were called theDeutschnationale Volkspartei. You can read all about them on Wikipedia. They were the people who tried to assassinate Hitler in 1944. Most of German history is completely revisionist, the empire was a much better time for Germans all around. The nazi party is left wing for all intents and purposes. They eliminated the free market, which was a key tenant of the Empire and their success. They forced everyone into unions and redistributed wealth from Jews and other minorities who happened to be rich.

It's a symbol used by absolute scum, the origins of the flag are irrelevant, it's about as relevant as pointing out the origins of the Swastika. It doesn't matter who came up with the flag in the beginning, it's about what it symbolizes now and what it is used for now.

Banning symbols is futile by definition, since they can be changed, swapped and altered, so banning the flag will have no effect, but it does happen for a legitimate reason.

Striesand Effect in 3....2....1

Every mouthbreathing skinhead is already waving that flag from Sylt to Lindau, what boost in perception could there be?

 

[Coleslaw]

There was a German party that used the Imperial flag following the end of the Kaiser, the twist is that they were murdered by the Nazis.

They were called theDeutschnationale Volkspartei. You can read all about them on Wikipedia. They were the people who tried to assassinate Hitler in 1944. Most of German history is completely revisionist, the empire was a much better time for Germans all around. The nazi party is left wing for all intents and purposes. They eliminated the free market, which was a key tenant of the Empire and their success. They forced everyone into unions and redistributed wealth from Jews and other minorities who happened to be rich.

The same people who swear up and down the Nazis weren't socialist use it at every occasion to defame nationalism.

 

[Stoneheart]

It's a symbol used by absolute scum, the origins of the flag are irrelevant, it's about as relevant as pointing out the origins of the Swastika. It doesn't matter who came up with the flag in the beginning, it's about what it symbolizes now and what it is used for now.

It was always used by scum...

Banning symbols is futile by definition, since they can be changed, swapped and altered, so banning the flag will have no effect, but it does happen for a legitimate reason.

They should ban the DDR flag too...

 

[Syaoran Li]

Not surprised.
In some states there was also talk about banning not only 2nd Reich symbols, but also DDR imagery.

I don't think they'll ban East German imagery given how insufferably woke modern day Germany is and how Angela Merkel was a member of the Stasi.

Fuck Germany though. If Sweden is the Woke Saudi Arabia, then Germany is the Woke Iran.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

They should ban the DDR flag too...

Yeah, and every former DDR-politician should be banned from working in politics, while we're at it.

Also, what's up with idiots shouting "Wir sind das Volk" at any given opportunity, is that like a mating call in Dunkeldeutschland?

I don't think they'll ban East German imagery given how insufferably woke modern day Germany is and how Angela Merkel was a member of the Stasi.

Fuck Germany though. If Sweden is the Woke Saudi Arabia, then Germany is the Woke Iran.

"Woke Germany" has no ties to the DDR at all. You'd think left wing movements would tie back their modern progressive nonsense to some DDR-related talking points, but they don't. The ones talking about how amazing the DDR used to be are usually a very small group of people and they have no ties to modern leftist causes, I think.
These are usually people who had a cozy job for being good little lickspittles to the SED, who feel let down once their nation went tits up and they realized that their skillset is virtually worthless in a world where shouting slogans doesn't net you a promotion.

Also, Merkel wasn't a member of the Stasi, she allegedly was an informer, but actual infos on that topic are shakey at best.

 

[Jann_Hörn]

It's a symbol used by absolute scum, the origins of the flag are irrelevant, it's about as relevant as pointing out the origins of the Swastika. It doesn't matter who came up with the flag in the beginning, it's about what it symbolizes now and what it is used for now.

That is like believing Pepe the Frog is a hate symbol because some people drew him with a swastika. People attempt to co opt history all the time, giving power to the skin heads to erase German history is why they become so resonant within society. Echo chambers build small groups of racists to be the face of the German history when I think Bismarck would be turning over in his grave at those who claim to represent him and his beliefs.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

That is like believing Pepe the Frog is a hate symbol because some people drew him with a swastika. People attempt to co opt history all the time, giving power to the skin heads to erase German history is why they become so resonant within society. Echo chambers build small groups of racists to be the face of the German history when I think Bismarck would be turning over in his grave at those who claim to represent him and his beliefs.

I'm mad too. But I'm mad at the ones coopting symbols for their shitty causes. The state does something futile when he tries to ban such a coopted symbol and I disagree with that decision, but that still means that it is legitimate in the sense that it bans a symbol used by nazis for scummy reasons and it still means that the actual origin of that symbol is meaningless.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

I'm mad too. But I'm mad at the ones coopting symbols for their shitty causes. The state does something futile when he tries to ban such a coopted symbol and I disagree with that decision, but that still means that it is legitimate in the sense that it bans a symbol used by nazis for scummy reasons and it still means that the actual origin of that symbol is meaningless.

This is almost exactly what people said about the Confederate flag 30 years ago: be careful following our path, it is not going to end well for us.

 

[usernames can change now!]

the wrong side won the prussian-austrian brothers war

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Striesand Effect in 3....2....1

the streissand effect is belated and exaggerated. when Alex Jones was banned there was a big increase in viewership for a time and then his 15 minutes of fame ended and his viewership returned to normal. You could imagine that for a week there would be people in Bremen that wave the flag around, but after that people will stop caring. and Bremen is a far left state in Germany anyways, it's basically a city that somehow became a full state.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

How long until they ban the current German flag from being displayed in public for being a far right extremist Nazi dogwhistle?

I'm mad too. But I'm mad at the ones coopting symbols for their shitty causes. The state does something futile when he tries to ban such a coopted symbol and I disagree with that decision, but that still means that it is legitimate in the sense that it bans a symbol used by nazis for scummy reasons and it still means that the actual origin of that symbol is meaningless.

So then they'll move on to something else. Might I remind you that the only reason Neo-Nazis started flying German Empire stuff is because Nazi flags were banned? The only thing this sort of legislation kills is freedom.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

So then they'll move on to something else. Might I remind you that the only reason Neo-Nazis started flying German Empire stuff is because Nazi flags were banned? The only thing this sort of legislation kills is freedom.

That is the point that I am making.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

That is the point that I am making.

I guess I just don't see what's "legitimate" about that. It isn't legitimate in a moral sense and it isn't legitimate in a utilitarian sense (that it actually achieves anything). You might as well say banning water because Nazis drink it is "legitimate." It's legislation as conceived by idiot children.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I guess I just don't see what's "legitimate" about that. It isn't legitimate in a moral sense and it isn't legitimate in a utilitarian sense (that it actually achieves anything). You might as well say banning water because Nazis drink it is "legitimate." It's legislation as conceived by idiot children.

Legitimate in the sense that there is a direct reason to do so, it was implied there'd be none, since the flag supposedly has no ties to ultra-right-wing idiots due to its origin, which is ludicrous given its current use. Absolutely no one flies that flag that isn't shouting for another holocaust.

The problem with this ban is the execution (since it's pointless), not the motivation.