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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.4%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,088 68.9%
  • Total voters
    1,578
Steamboat_Bill said:
The shorts have done much to bring back Mickey with a personality, but I still think we need a tribute to the old adventure stories that Mickey used to star in.
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I've read a lot of those italian disney comics growing up, mickey already had plenty of personality... multiple depending on the genre or outright re-telling stories they did. my favorite was probably the private detective character they gave him EDIT: not this one (when he wasn't time-traveling or something which was a great combination of fun story and education).
actually almost all the characters got a somewhat default persona, even the villains and side characters (less but still there).

ironically they're not available in english, or not that I know of, and they've been running for decades, and still are.

they even did stuff like going marvel long before buying them:

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never knew about that mickey standalone series. I enjoyed the fuck out of PKNA, gotta hunt that down!
 
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ZMOT said:
I've read a lot of those italian disney comics growing up, mickey already had plenty of personality... multiple depending on the genre or outright re-telling stories they did. my favorite was probably the private detective character they gave him EDIT: not this one (when he wasn't time-traveling or something which was a great combination of fun story and education).
actually almost all the characters got a somewhat default persona, even the villains and side characters (less but still there).

ironically they're not available in english, or not that I know of, and they've been running for decades, and still are.

they even did stuff like going marvel long before buying them:

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never knew about that mickey standalone series. I enjoyed the fuck out of PKNA, gotta hunt that down!
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isn't there an Ita comic of Mickey where he's got a baseball bat in an alleyway on the cover?
 
XYZpdq said:
isn't there an Ita comic of Mickey where he's got a baseball bat in an alleyway on the cover?
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tbh I don't really remember covers since I don't give them much attention, not even american capeshit where it is apparently a bigger deal. for the disney stuff it's just a random image that may or may not have anything to do with the stories in the book itself, I'm not even sure they're consistent across countries. plus there were several different formats of books released at the same time which sometimes got recycled in the pocket books or were a continuation of them (which happened rarely but was annoying af).

as for mickey with a bat, I wouldn't be surprised. even when I read them in the 90s some older stuff from the 70s/80s was already stretching it, and these days it would cause some people have an outright shitfit (like the whole "think of the children" violence and some gender stuff that was simply not much thought of back then).

the other thing that made me think after writing that previous post is euros probably have a different connection with mickey, and disney in general. dunno how it was in the US, but over here those comics were everywhere - supermarkets, kiosks, everywhere you could by sweets you could buy those comics. sure, we had the usual disney stuff like duck tales and later in the 90s they brought the TV show over, but those comics go back decades. they were also cheap enough you could buy them each month. getting comics as thick as your thumb for the price of a happy meal was just a good deal all around for a wee lad. and more importantly that shit was actually fucking good. I still remember some stories from 20 years ago, and there are even some I totally forgot which the wikipedia article reminded me off. fucking blast from the past. and that's considering the already high quality euro comic scene it had to compete with. I couldn't even imagine growing up without them, and before that my parents, maybe even grandparents.

so when someone mentions mickey mouse I don't think necessarily of steamboat willy, and more him being a detective/consultant in duckburg going on space adventures or doing his version of narnia when not traveling through time (like the panettone was "invented" because goofy is literally shaggy from scooby doo sometimes and told someone in the past)
 
ZMOT said:
tbh I don't really remember covers since I don't give them much attention, not even american capeshit where it is apparently a bigger deal. for the disney stuff it's just a random image that may or may not have anything to do with the stories in the book itself, I'm not even sure they're consistent across countries. plus there were several different formats of books released at the same time which sometimes got recycled in the pocket books or were a continuation of them (which happened rarely but was annoying af).

as for mickey with a bat, I wouldn't be surprised. even when I read them in the 90s some older stuff from the 70s/80s was already stretching it, and these days it would cause some people have an outright shitfit (like the whole "think of the children" violence and some gender stuff that was simply not much thought of back then).

the other thing that made me think after writing that previous post is euros probably have a different connection with mickey, and disney in general. dunno how it was in the US, but over here those comics were everywhere - supermarkets, kiosks, everywhere you could by sweets you could buy those comics. sure, we had the usual disney stuff like duck tales and later in the 90s they brought the TV show over, but those comics go back decades. they were also cheap enough you could buy them each month. getting comics as thick as your thumb for the price of a happy meal was just a good deal all around for a wee lad. and more importantly that shit was actually fucking good. I still remember some stories from 20 years ago, and there are even some I totally forgot which the wikipedia article reminded me off. fucking blast from the past. and that's considering the already high quality euro comic scene it had to compete with. I couldn't even imagine growing up without them, and before that my parents, maybe even grandparents.

so when someone mentions mickey mouse I don't think necessarily of steamboat willy, and more him being a detective/consultant in duckburg going on space adventures or doing his version of narnia when not traveling through time (like the panettone was "invented" because goofy is literally shaggy from scooby doo sometimes and told someone in the past)
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In the US they barely have a footprint. IDW was publishing them, and the quality was good for a while, but apparently it's gone down. But for years you couldn't buy them outside of Disney World.
 
ZMOT said:
I've read a lot of those italian disney comics growing up, mickey already had plenty of personality... multiple depending on the genre or outright re-telling stories they did. my favorite was probably the private detective character they gave him EDIT: not this one (when he wasn't time-traveling or something which was a great combination of fun story and education).
actually almost all the characters got a somewhat default persona, even the villains and side characters (less but still there).

ironically they're not available in english, or not that I know of, and they've been running for decades, and still are.

they even did stuff like going marvel long before buying them:

Coverpkna0.jpg


never knew about that mickey standalone series. I enjoyed the fuck out of PKNA, gotta hunt that down!
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I wonder if they have done a PKNA crossover with Darkwing Duck? If it wasn't the case, imagine what might have been...
 
This whole talk about European comics reminds me of one of those Disney will never republish now.

Namely, Un giallo per Topolino.

In this one, the Phantom Blot takes inspiration fromrips off a movie to plot his next crime, which involves falsifying an artifact and passing it off as the real deal.

The thing is, it's a Chinese movie, one of those 'old bad Yellow' movies, to the point his counterpart is literally named "Yellow Blot" [since in Italy, the Blot's name translates to "Black Blot"]. There's also an offensive pose in the comic, too.

That kind of joke is not likely to return any time soon.
 
Fantagraphics did Barks and Gottfredson totally uncut, though... "Voodoo Hoodoo" is in one of the collections, absolutely unedited.
 
Saxxon said:
It's the cover of Mickey Mouse Mystery Magazine #3: Lost and Found:
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And yes, there's a part where Mickey participates in a bat fight, albeit mostly censored because we can't the company's mascot beating the shit out of people.
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haha! get ready to see your teeth, motherfucker! haha~
 
Saxxon said:
It's the cover of Mickey Mouse Mystery Magazine #3: Lost and Found:
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And yes, there's a part where Mickey participates in a bat fight, albeit mostly censored because we can't the company's mascot beating the shit out of people.
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I wish I could find the clip where it's implied that Mickey, Donald and Goofy are going to beat the shit out of Jason Alexander.

"I know you're in there, Jason! I can hear you breathing!"
 
Super-Chevy454 said:
I wonder if they have done a PKNA crossover with Darkwing Duck? If it wasn't the case, imagine what might have been...
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don't think so, tailspin doesn't have one either for example. the other thing is when darkwing duck came out, we yuropoors already had all kinds of stories about the duck avenger (or whatever it's called in english). I mean he even started out as a criminal mainly to fuck with scrooge when he shat on donald, later turned good guy but still was clumsy "fucked by luck" donald (although that was heavily toned down when he wore the mask). that's why darkwing duck kinda felt redundant somewhat. still fun to watch, but didn't have the same effect imo. or maybe it's my personal nostalgia speaking since I always preferred the duck avenger to the usual boring "haha donald got shit on again", even highly reduced from the looney tunes level it originally had.

A Random said:
This whole talk about European comics reminds me of one of those Disney will never republish now.

Namely, Un giallo per Topolino.

In this one, the Phantom Blot takes inspiration fromrips off a movie to plot his next crime, which involves falsifying an artifact and passing it off as the real deal.

The thing is, it's a Chinese movie, one of those 'old bad Yellow' movies, to the point his counterpart is literally named "Yellow Blot" [since in Italy, the Blot's name translates to "Black Blot"]. There's also an offensive pose in the comic, too.

That kind of joke is not likely to return any time soon.
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yeah, that's what I mean, there were a few of those. that story came out in 88, imagine what they released in the 70s.

also never knew that index existed (although it was to be expected), thanks for that 👌
 
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ZMOT said:
in numbers at least, I'm still not sure if it's actually that profitable or just makes it easier to cook the books.
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yeah I recall a piece or two coming out maybe ten years ago that it's very easy for a movie to make money on paper in China but actually getting the cash becomes a problem as a hundred years of Hollywood Accounting tries to take on three thousand years of Chinese Accounting
 
ZMOT said:
in numbers at least, I'm still not sure if it's actually that profitable or just makes it easier to cook the books.
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This actually made me curious (at least curious enough to check out the first google result) and according to my exhaustive research roughly 45% of a ticket sale go to the production/distribution companies which is less than in the US where around 60%. The ticket prices also seem to be around half of what the US prices are. It has to be a "quantity has a quality of it's own" thing because per capita it deosnt seem to be worth it.
 
XYZpdq said:
yeah I recall a piece or two coming out maybe ten years ago that it's very easy for a movie to make money on paper in China but actually getting the cash becomes a problem as a hundred years of Hollywood Accounting tries to take on three thousand years of Chinese Accounting
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As much I like seeing Chinese Accounting fucked over Hollywood Accounting I rather see the IRS fucking over Hollywood. Especially for all of the 100 plus years of back taxes and interest Hollywood owes the IRS.
 
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