🐱 Actually, Red States Are the Most Violent

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If you listen to the national discourse, you’d probably think blue cities like Chicago have the highest murder rates in the country. Because I’m not absent from the media ecosystem, I assumed that was true for a hot moment. Sure, would also tell you in a heartbeat that these large blue cities’ high murder rates were the result of a variety of factors, and that what these cities needed was better investment in jobs, schools, housing, and community programs, not more policing. But still! For a moment there, I forgot that these cities don’t actually have the highest murder rate.

Chicago only has the highest murder rate in the country if you look solely at the most populous cities and exclude all others. And even then, in a list of the 100 most populous citiesin the U.S., Chicago is actually 10th on the list, after cities like Memphis, Tennessee, and Cleveland, Ohio. When you widen the net to look at allcities, the list of cities with higher murder rates than Chicago’s grows. Saginaw, Michigan. Jackson, Mississippi. Pine Bluff, Arkansas.

The effect is even bigger when you look at other categories of crime. Which cities have the highest rates of property crime? Middletown, Ohio. Miami Beach, Florida. Springfield, Missouri. Albuquerque, New Mexico. Burglary? Monroe, Louisiana. Santa Fe, New Mexico. Flint, Michigan. Cleveland, Ohio. Car theft? Irvington, New Jersey. Yakima, Washington. Richmond, California. Albuquerque, New Mexico.

A look at the violent crime rate by state certainly doesn’t suggest that blue states are more violent than red states. To the contrary.


Using 2018 data, the most violent states, in order, are Delaware, Louisiana, Missouri, Alaska, Maryland, New Mexico, Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Arkansas. If there is a pattern, it is that most of these states are in the U.S. South. States in New England, in contrast, are all at the bottom of the list.

Here’s another interesting question: which counties are most or least violent? Looking at cities, after all, excludes rural areas. The counties with the highest murder rate between 2009 and 2015 were:

1. ORLEANS PARISH, LOUISIANA (New Orleans)
2. COAHOMA COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI, population 16,000
3. PHILLIPS COUNTY, ARKANSAS, population 22,000
4. ST. LOUIS CITY, MISSOURI (TIE) (St. Louis)
4. BALTIMORE CITY, MARYLAND (TIE) (Baltimore)
6. PETERSBURG CITY, VIRGINIA, population 30,000
7. MACON COUNTY, ALABAMA (TIE), population 21,000
7. DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA (TIE) (Washington, D.C.)
9. WASHINGTON COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI (TIE), population 50,000
9. DALLAS COUNTY, ALABAMA (TIE), population 40,000

Note that while some of these counties are home to large cities, others are far more rural. Note also that all of these counties are in the U.S. South (yes, I did just put St. Louis in the South, but, as a point of order, Missouri was a slave state and its government seceded from the Union and joined the Confederacy).

It’s almost like violent crime rates are related to a variety of factors including things like poverty rates and cultural norms about violence and the resolution of conflict. It’s almost like crime should be treated fundamentally as a sociological reality and not as a political football. It’s almost like we live in a country with a fascist government that is more interested in using propaganda to scare people than it is in solving problems.

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Is this like the "actually Republican states use more welfare!" in that it's technically true but only because the Democrat controlled parts make up the majority of said statistics?
 
There is a new rule: any article with a "actually" headline is in fact an "ACSHUALLY" post and we should laugh at it.
 
Wait, but all of the cities/counties/districts/parishes they're citing have been Democrat-run for decades.
 
Can they extrapolate from all their data how those populations' density and demographics have changed (or not) over the years? That would be very interesting. e: h/t the good Reverend above.
 
Allow me to translate:
It’s almost like violent crime rates are related to a variety of factors including things like poverty rates and cultural norms about violence and the resolution of conflict.
"Give up your right to defend yourself, because George Floyd has a right to hold a pregnant woman at gunpoint, because muh systemic racism."

It’s almost like crime should be treated fundamentally as a sociological reality and not as a political football.
"Crime is real, but please don't let that influence the way you vote, or Science and Journalism forbid, you protect yourself with a scary gun from one of our Peaceful Protesters™️ when they come to you to take your white privilege."
 
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1ORLEANS PARISH, LOUISIANA (New Orleans)59.74%https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/new-orleans-la-population
2COAHOMA COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI, population 16,00077.46%https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-counties/ms/coahoma-county-population
3PHILLIPS COUNTY, ARKANSAS, population 22,00062.63%https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-counties/ar/phillips-county-population
4ST. LOUIS CITY, MISSOURI (TIE) (St. Louis)46.92%https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-counties/mo/st-louis-city-population
4BALTIMORE CITY, MARYLAND (TIE) (Baltimore)62.46%https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-counties/md/baltimore-city-population
6PETERSBURG CITY, VIRGINIA, population 30,00077.21%https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/petersburg-va-population
7MACON COUNTY, ALABAMA (TIE), population 21,00082.61%https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-counties/al/macon-county-population
7DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA (TIE) (Washington, D.C.)46.94%https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/washington-dc-population
9WASHINGTON COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI (TIE), population 50,00072.17%https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-counties/ms/washington-county-population
9DALLAS COUNTY, ALABAMA (TIE), population 40,00070.47%https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-counties/al/dallas-county-population
 
We're doing this again?
The only way their data works is if you completely exclude major Democrat led cities from the numbers... so of course you'll end up with a bunch of Red counties.

Once you include the city back into the numbers, it starts to look like this:
1. New Orleans - Mayor: LaToya Cantrell (D)
2. Clarksdale - Mayor: Chuck Espy (D) COAHOMA COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI
3. Helena - Mayor Kevin Smith (I former D) PHILLIPS COUNTY, ARKANSAS
4. St. Louis (D)
4. Baltimore (D)
6. Petersburg VA Mayor: Sam Parham (I former D)
7. Tuskeegee - Mayor Lawrence F. Haygood, Jr (D) MACON COUNTY, ALABAMA
7. Washington, D.C. (D)
9. Greenville - Mayor Errick D. Simmons (D) WASHINGTON COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI
9. Selma - Mayor: Darrio Melton (D) DALLAS COUNTY, ALABAMA

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The whole basis of their argument is: "Well, if you don't count any of the Democrat run cities, then a whole bunch of violent States and Counties are Republican!"
They may as well say, "If you ignore all the Leftist murders, then all murders are done by Right wingers!"
 
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In Chicago, A person is shot every 2 hours and 4 minutes on average , and is murdered every 11 hours and 8 minutes.
I'm not sure what mental gymnastics the author is doing, but there is no way any city in Tennessee or Arkansas even comes close.
 
This literal blog post barely rates a 3/10 on the "gotcha" scale, and the author should try harder. Then again, maybe if she did try harder, she would write actually "good" articles on a "real" news station and wouldn't have to beg internet strangers to finance her hipster welfare and shitty blogging.

Oh wait, "real" news authors are doing that anyway, so she should just learn to code.
 
(winky for CatParty, made me reply)
In Chicago, A person is shot every 2 hours and 4 minutes on average , and is murdered every 11 hours and 8 minutes.
I'm not sure what mental gymnastics the author is doing, but there is no way any city in Tennessee or Arkansas even comes close.

I think part of it is just law of averages. Chicago is way bigger population-wise than most any other city in the U.S., so one extra murder in some bumfuck county in Arkansas is proportionally equivalent to like 120 murders in Chicago. Or, put another way, one random nut who kills their in-laws on a bad day has the proportionate influence on the murder rate in some rural area that an all-out gang war raging for several months would have in Chicago.

Now, one might point out, those two things, while technically having the same impact on the statistic, are pretty significantly different. And they'd be right. Which is kinda why they don't look at murder rates in small populations in the same way as in major population centers.
 
So you accept some truths but not others, since 13 50 is racist and "Jews aren't white" makes Jews screech because they want that white privilege until it's inconvenient to be white?
 
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