🪦 Deceased Chloe Sagal / John Paul Neumann - Self-Immolated to Protest The US Mental Health System. Currently Being Exploited by her "Allies".

[Sunny-D]

But that's what's so crazy that BoldySpicy kinda pointed out, minus the tropes, the over use of jump scares, and the first timer issues this was a playable, sellable game and if she just spent her time doing that instead of fucking with youtubers and threatening suicide she would actually have a working business/not need to be on the dole at all. Like all criticisms aside, we've seen what can sell in the modern games market and this is a good two notches above the worst of it with the promise of getting better.

Man, maybe I'm really nitpicky about this type of thing, but the pixel art is pretty terrible in this thing too. I watched that video a while back of the whole sequence of her animating the walk cycle and... people just do not walk like that. Animating two identical legs and then layering them over each other in alternating sequence was a terrible idea, people don't walk by pawing the ground with one foot after the other while their torso stays stable. There's no shifting weight, it's just weird, and walk cycles are some of the most basic things people do when they're learning to animate, aren't they? Also the shading is horribly blurry and pillowy. "Mediocre at best" might be sellable, but this is definitely stuff that's been done before and done better.

 

[NobodySpecial]

Man, maybe I'm really nitpicky about this type of thing, but the pixel art is pretty terrible in this thing too. I watched that video a while back of the whole sequence of her animating the walk cycle and... people just do not walk like that. Animating two identical legs and then layering them over each other in alternating sequence was a terrible idea, people don't walk by pawing the ground with one foot after the other while their torso stays stable. There's no shifting weight, it's just weird, and walk cycles are some of the most basic things people do when they're learning to animate, aren't they? Also the shading is horribly blurry and pillowy. "Mediocre at best" might be sellable, but this is definitely stuff that's been done before and done better.

Again, the game is from like 3 years ago. You're judging on what it is, but that's assuming with hard work she would never get any better. Everybody gets better at their job if they go. Absolutely, if you judge her against triple A or even seasoned indie devs she doesn't even rate on the scale, but it's like me going to little league and going "All these little kids are faggots, they can barely hit a 30 mile an hour "fastball"." Remember you're not judging on if this is a game YOU would like or buy or if she's the best talent in the world or if her game is perfect (which it couldn't be for like her third game anyway) you're judging "Could she get a job?"

Like imagine whatever you do for a living - now imagine how good you were at that thing on your third day? That's where she is with the games she bothered to finish, except instead of going to work she quit on day three at "well, she's pretty good for somebody new."

 

[tepid]

I don't know how 'sellable' I'd call homesick. At first glance it looks like the retro-pixel pieces of halfhearted crap every untalented Rise-Of-The-Indies wannabe-gamedev is spewing out.

I think if she had put a bit more planning into the selling/marketing then she'd have actually made enough to put her off e-begging for a bit. I've certainly seen people pay for crappier looking games.

Giving it away for free from the get go just sets it's value at nothing, should have at least changed $3-$5 for it. If Pewdiepie would still play it then that's at least some guaranteed sales. Also she probably should have tried to gather together some other female/trans/"marginalised" devs and see if Humble Bundle or someone similar would be willing to do a "Kickass marginalised devs game bundle", get it boxed up with some better games and ride the hype/butthurt train to the bank. Kotaku/Polygon and the like would certainly run articles on that.

But I'm just a white cis toxic dudebro so what would I know about selling things…

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

"straightbro toxic heteromasculinity is a hell of a drug".
From someone who openly and shamelessly admitted to dropping PCP and driving.... Yeah, seems fair. Tell ya what, let's both do a ton of our respective poison and see who OD's first.
Yeah, I'd avoid the drug jokes, were I you. You come off as kind of a burnout, and comments like that are just too enticing.


Because it's a term she made up.
And Rani, if you're under the impression that bitching about how you fucked up your life is going to garner sympathy with us, you need to lurk more. Let me break it down for you:
The alcoholism and self-harm have nothing to do with "detransitioning". They are issues in your life because you're
a basketcase with no impulse control and very poor judgement. You lack self-control and appear deeply unhapp in life, so you indulge in harmful coping mechanisms as an escape.

Wait, detransitioning? Did this sad little creature regret that lifechanging, very invasive surgery?

 

[Sunny-D]

Again, the game is from like 3 years ago. You're judging on what it is, but that's assuming with hard work she would never get any better. Everybody gets better at their job if they go. Absolutely, if you judge her against triple A or even seasoned indie devs she doesn't even rate on the scale, but it's like me going to little league and going "All these little kids are faggots, they can barely hit a 30 mile an hour "fastball"." Remember you're not judging on if this is a game YOU would like or buy or if she's the best talent in the world or if her game is perfect (which it couldn't be for like her third game anyway) you're judging "Could she get a job?"

Like imagine whatever you do for a living - now imagine how good you were at that thing on your third day? That's where she is with the games she bothered to finish, except instead of going to work she quit on day three at "well, she's pretty good for somebody new."

This is true, and I'm mainly judging the pixel art (the teleporting enemies, slow crawl of a walking speed sapping any scariness out of the game and any other technical, gameplay or design flaws are another matter lol).

It's hovering between mediocre and shitty, and I do not believe she's got it in her to do any better.

 

[NobodySpecial]

This is true, and I'm mainly judging the pixel art (the teleporting enemies, slow crawl of a walking speed sapping any scariness out of the game and any other technical, gameplay or design flaws are another matter lol).

It's hovering between mediocre and shitty, and I do not believe she's got it in her to do any better.

That's fair. And we're arguing different things, you're arguing is the art good/will it be good and I'm arguing will the art sell. But yeah, agree with all that, just saying she could make 700 bucks a month selling better versions of this if she produced 5 or 10 of them that got better as she went. But I agree whatever that would be would still be pretentious slapdash indie garbage... just the entire iOS platform runs on pretentious slapdash indie garbage.

But yeah, I get you now, and you're objectively right about the art point - the art is shit, just shit sells.

 

[Smutley]

Apologies if this has been posted before, but a search didn't turn anything up.

Not all Chloe info has to be mocking. Take a look at this review and comment chain from her recently released game Virus Jiggin' Fever

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She takes criticism well, she agrees with some of his points, and she's open to adjusting the price to something not $3 more than the mobile version.

See, Chloe? This is being reasonable and mature! When you act like this instead of threatening suicide and screaming oppression, people are much more likely to take you seriously.

 

[Jaimas]

That, and work on your damned documentation and interfacing controls, Chloe. You're not shit at creating games, even though That Really Hot Chick is fucking atrocious. Many of your games have potential, but are hamstrung by really bad controls, badly-implemented subsystems, and poor-as-hell documentation and interface explanation. These are all beginner mistakes, and can be worked past. Nay, they should be worked past, because unlike the likes of Brianna Wu, you actually can fucking program. Here is, in no order, a list of five things that if you did, would make your works significantly better with minimal involvement from you, all of which are easily possible given your skill:

1. Handle documentation better. Stop inserting in-jokes and jabs at the player in the instructions, and cover what the player is actually expected to do in the intro properly. You can go ahead and use my earlier intro thing I wrote for you if you'd like, or you can write better instructions yourself, but put some effort into this. It's a tiny area where what you write matters, and shows how much you care.

2. Either get better at dialogue and writing, or hire a writer or proofreader. The dialogue in Homesick could be way better, and That Really Hot Chick has tons of spelling errors. The plot could also afford to be tighter in Homesick, and a decent bit of work could have made the game substantially better. Since this is conveyed in text, you could do a lot with very little here. Adventure Games rely on storytelling, so it helps to flex those creative muscles.

3. Work on control optimization in future titles. Mousewheel selection for actions is a poor choice (number keys would have been way better) due to how mousewheels tend to be finicky in general. Similarly, stop with making what are, essentially, identical-to-touch-screen controls for your games. If little crap games on Kongregate can manage to have proper keyboard implementation, your other games damn well better have the same. There's no reason to not offer custom keymaps for games in general, so don't leave those out. That Really Hot Chick being a one-button running game on the Xbox 360 is a gross misuse of hardware.

4. Make sure any game you release fricking works. That Really Hot Chick is literally unbeatable, and that's just unacceptable for any game charging money. I don't care if it's a dollar. If you release a game and promise support for it (patching mostly, but updates as well), fricking do them. Violating customer trust is the work of an asshole. If you don't want to be seen as one, do not do this.

5. Keep at it. Never get like Dobson, where you wallow in mediocrity, or Wu where you're a parasite. Focus on what you can do, and always challenge yourself.

 

[Smutley]

What better way to welcome the Farms back after a day of intermitent downtime than with another look at John Paul Neumann?

The Daily Click, Part 3 - Chloe Sagal

Let's start things off in Classic Chloe fashion - begging for money for fake illnesses "naw 4 realz tho an no one curr I'm dyin plz donate like rate share subscribe retweet reblog"

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"Because of this, popularity of the game has exploded. Unfortunately, Pewdie hasn't linked to anything other than my post on his own website, so while so many people know about the game, very few know anything about me, or that I'm making a sequel, or looking for donations" -- Chloe Sagal, 2012, being ungracious towards the biggest fucking guy on youtube covering her game

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In 2013 Chloe had finally raised the unbelievable sum of $180 for an exporter and XBLIG licenses, and was poised to release an updated version of her only good game Homesick to the hexbawks. A year and a half later, not a single thing has been done. Where's the fucking upgraded edition &/or the sequel Chloe?!

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Chloe is STILL trying to push the "John Paul Neumann isn't me" narrative, going so far as to use air quotes for "friend" that she literally maybe kind of murdered. Remember - this is the game she designed solely by herself. John Paul Neumann did not work on this game. Everyone else in Horrendous Games told her it wasn't a good idea and they didn't want to work on it. If she wasn't John Paul Neumann, then he wouldn't have had notes on this game for her to steal after his death. Also, that $180 she raised in the last post magically vanished after she had received it so give more money plox and thnx.

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In 2013, what "full time work" was Dr. Chloe doing? Because if I'm not mistaken this is a couple months after her big indiegogo campaign blow up. Remember, she was dying then, and confined to a wheel chair depending on the source. So what was she doing for work?

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Nothing major, but remember - we found out about Abattoir due to the HorrendousGames The Daily Click account, and it was linked to the Jeebah youtube account which was announced as John Paul Neumann. And here we go, with Chloe Sagal actually being the owner of this project. How curious.

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a standard chloe triat is tpyng lik e a retart wen updet adn knot using punktuation good. Here, in 2009, we see that she's going on a not-vacation after what appears the rest of her team revolting and maybe firing her.

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Ahh there we go she was in the hospital and this is also another mention of her terminal sleep apnea that causes her to bark like a dog and tard out. This is the same sleap apnea she tried to blame on her failing out of boot camp, btw. Is everyone keeping up? Because there will be a quiz later, class.

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2012 is the first mention I can find for Project Zomboid, the forum where she did her infamous "nothing is my fault for why I scammed 35k out of people" Chloe Post. Notice that she 100% completely owns this project which was, once again, managed by John Paul Neumann out of his apartment with his company that Chloe was brought in from Washington State to work on in a minimal capacity.

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Chloe Sagal had a job where she "did nothing", and went out of her way to "do nothing", and constantly talked about all the "many other things I could be doing with my time". Also no one at work respects how great she is. Oh yeah this was a fucking update she posted 2 years late about a game she never finished that was started by a previous persona.

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[Wally Balljacker]

Ahh there we go she was in the hospital and this is also another mention of her terminal sleep apnea that causes her to bark like a dog and tard out. This is the same sleap apnea she tried to blame on her failing out of boot camp, btw. Is everyone keeping up? Because there will be a quiz later, class.

That's not what sleep apnea is or does. I don't even have to look this up on Wikipedia to know that this is bullshit.

Spoiler: Off-topic sperging

First of all, sleep apnea is not fucking terminal. Unless you slip into a coma every time you fall asleep, it's not going to kill you right away. If it did, this would be a huge problem, considering a not-insignificant portion of the human population has various levels of sleep apnea.
EDIT: 12 million cases in the US alone!

If she did a cursory Google of sleep apnea, she probably just saw the "stops breathing in your sleep" and just made assumptions from there. Yes, you do stop breathing, but one's own body is capable of realizing this and gives you a boost of adrenaline to kick thing back into gear. Immediate effects are that you overuse adrenaline in your sleep and end up tired/groggy all day. Again, not terminal.

If it's bad enough, and left untreated, you do run the risk of heart problems or stroke later in life, but we're talking "past your 50's" later in life. Treatment is simple as fuck, and you have options: a mouth guard, nose plugs that resist when you exhale, or the more expensive route being a CPAP machine. All of which serve the purpose of increasing pressure on the airways.

This is why medical professionals are valuable, and self-diagnosis is bullshit and quackery. I look forward to the day she discovers Morgellons disease so we can witness her having "severe panic attacks" whenever she leaves a healing wound uncleaned and sees lint on the scab.

 

[The Dude]

That's not what sleep apnea is or does. I don't even have to look this up on Wikipedia to know that this is bullshit.

Spoiler: Off-topic sperging

First of all, sleep apnea is not fucking terminal. Unless you slip into a coma every time you fall asleep, it's not going to kill you right away. If it did, this would be a huge problem, considering a not-insignificant portion of the human population has various levels of sleep apnea.
EDIT: 12 million cases in the US alone!

If she did a cursory Google of sleep apnea, she probably just saw the "stops breathing in your sleep" and just made assumptions from there. Yes, you do stop breathing, but one's own body is capable of realizing this and gives you a boost of adrenaline to kick thing back into gear. Immediate effects are that you overuse adrenaline in your sleep and end up tired/groggy all day. Again, not terminal.

If it's bad enough, and left untreated, you do run the risk of heart problems or stroke later in life, but we're talking "past your 50's" later in life. Treatment is simple as fuck, and you have options: a mouth guard, nose plugs that resist when you exhale, or the more expensive route being a CPAP machine. All of which serve the purpose of increasing pressure on the airways.

This is why medical professionals are valuable, and self-diagnosis is bullshit and quackery. I look forward to the day she discovers Morgellons disease so we can witness her having "severe panic attacks" whenever she leaves a healing wound uncleaned and sees lint on the scab.

I've got sleep apnea. I have a CPAP machine that if have to use when I sleep that keeps my airway open and keeps me breathing while I sleep. Sleep apnea CAN be fatal...rarely, and it's usually in conjunction with some other respiratory disorder. Basically when your brain starts to get oxygen deprived it wakes up the little primal lizard part of your brain that runs the basic functions of your body and makes you take a breath. So basically you never get any restful sleep and you wake up tired and usually with a headache. I've slept without my CPAP several times since I was diagnosed, usually when I'm out camping and not near electricity, and I'm still alive despite having a very bad case of sleep apnea. Basically I have to have the air pressure on my CPAP as high as it will go. If my apnea were any worse I would also need suplimental oxygen to go along with my CPAP when I sleep.

And Chloe really needs to stop with the "I'm gonna die soon and I need surgery! Boo hoo, woe is me! Gib me moneys plox!" scams. If Chloe's life is really in danger then she needs to get her ass to the hospital. Its against the law for the hospital to turn her away. Of course, we all know Chloe is just trying to scam people into paying for her faux vagina. She's perfectly healthy, physically healthy anyway, and is just trying to con people who actually work for a living out of their hard earned money so she can continue to live her life as a sloth.

 

[ShittyRecolor]

What really kills the immersion for me as far as Homestuck is concerned is how doofy and cartoony the serial killer looks. He look like one of the Dalton brothers cosplaying as a Na'vi and the pouty expression on his fave doesn't help either. At this point, it would've been more effective to either give him a featureless face (maybe with a red dot or two for eyes) like that of the playable character, or even a generic rape face (I know, triggers, but isn't triggering kind of the point of horror?). Hell, when the Penderecki\Herrmann ripoff music starts to play as the killer appears, you could have a gruesomely detailed picture of him staring directly at the player flash up, covering the screen for a moment, and even that'd make it more scary.

 

[BOLDYSPICY!]

That's not what sleep apnea is or does. I don't even have to look this up on Wikipedia to know that this is bullshit.

Spoiler: Off-topic sperging

First of all, sleep apnea is not fucking terminal. Unless you slip into a coma every time you fall asleep, it's not going to kill you right away. If it did, this would be a huge problem, considering a not-insignificant portion of the human population has various levels of sleep apnea.
EDIT: 12 million cases in the US alone!

If she did a cursory Google of sleep apnea, she probably just saw the "stops breathing in your sleep" and just made assumptions from there. Yes, you do stop breathing, but one's own body is capable of realizing this and gives you a boost of adrenaline to kick thing back into gear. Immediate effects are that you overuse adrenaline in your sleep and end up tired/groggy all day. Again, not terminal.

If it's bad enough, and left untreated, you do run the risk of heart problems or stroke later in life, but we're talking "past your 50's" later in life. Treatment is simple as fuck, and you have options: a mouth guard, nose plugs that resist when you exhale, or the more expensive route being a CPAP machine. All of which serve the purpose of increasing pressure on the airways.

This is why medical professionals are valuable, and self-diagnosis is bullshit and quackery. I look forward to the day she discovers Morgellons disease so we can witness her having "severe panic attacks" whenever she leaves a healing wound uncleaned and sees lint on the scab.

I've got sleep apnea. I have a CPAP machine that if have to use when I sleep that keeps my airway open and keeps me breathing while I sleep. Sleep apnea CAN be fatal...rarely, and it's usually in conjunction with some other respiratory disorder. Basically when your brain starts to get oxygen deprived it wakes up the little primal lizard part of your brain that runs the basic functions of your body and makes you take a breath. So basically you never get any restful sleep and you wake up tired and usually with a headache. I've slept without my CPAP several times since I was diagnosed, usually when I'm out camping and not near electricity, and I'm still alive despite having a very bad case of sleep apnea. Basically I have to have the air pressure on my CPAP as high as it will go. If my apnea were any worse I would also need suplimental oxygen to go along with my CPAP when I sleep.

Yeah, I have sleep apnea, too. Part genetics, part being a fat fuck (not that I'm not trying to lose weight, here, but it's a rather slow, arduous process). I actually can't sleep on my back because I wind up tits-phyxiating.
I try not to sleep without my CPAP because I feel like utter shit if I don't. I use it even if I'm taking a short twenty-minute power nap. But to echo what everyone else has said, it's certainly not (immediately) fatal. It just puts unnecessary strain on your body & causes carbon dioxide buildup in your brain & bloodstream. Which, again, isn't fatal, but it is extremely uncomfortable.
Basically Chloe is a whiny little bitch, & I would not have sex with her. Also rambling because despite sleeping well I'm super-groggy. May be time for a new CPAP mask.
OH OH OH! If you don't keep your CPAP stuff properly disinfected, you can give yourself nasty sinus infections. Also the fact that you have cold air blowing into them & drying them out doesn't help, either. A little saline rinse goes a long way, though.

What really kills the immersion for me as far as Homestuck is concerned is how doofy and cartoony the serial killer looks. He look like one of the Dalton brothers cosplaying as a Na'vi and the pouty expression on his fave doesn't help either. At this point, it would've been more effective to either give him a featureless face (maybe with a red dot or two for eyes) like that of the playable character, or even a generic rape face (I know, triggers, but isn't triggering kind of the point of horror?). Hell, when the Penderecki\Herrmann ripoff music starts to play as the killer appears, you could have a gruesomely detailed picture of him staring directly at the player flash up, covering the screen for a moment, and even that'd make it more scary.

To give credit where credit is due, despite how doofy-looking the killer is, the game still manages to be scary. Probably because of the cheap jumpscares & magically teleporting villain, though. But I really like your idea. Plus doing that would showcase Chloe's mad art skillz that she touts so much.

 

[Smutley]

Everyone should take the time to wish Rani a Happy 3rd Tranniversary! If it wasn't for her detransition years ago she never would have become the person we know and love today. Could you imagine a mature and sober Rani with a loving, monogamous relationship not built around enablement and attention?

 

[Totenkopf]

"Craving validation as a misunderstood queer minority is hell"

You should tell your girlfriend that.

 

[Francis York Morgan]

Dulcinea Azrael Noone? What is with these ridiculous names? It's something I would expect from a person trying to come up with a name for their dark, mysterious, totally-not-author-insert fanfic character from middle school.

 

[HG 400]

Dulcinea Azrael Noone? What is with these ridiculous names? It's something I would expect from a person trying to come up with a name for their dark, mysterious, totally-not-author-insert fanfic character from middle school.

I do like Rani, but holy shit that name reminds me so much of Enoby Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way.

 

[ShittyRecolor]

To give credit where credit is due, despite how doofy-looking the killer is, the game still manages to be scary. Probably because of the cheap jumpscares & magically teleporting villain, though.

Yeah, the game can probably get pretty atmoshpheric if you can get yourself in the right mood. Still, as you said, Homesick most likely manages to get scary despite its antagonist's unfortunate looks rather than because of it.

But I really like your idea. Plus doing that would showcase Chloe's mad art skillz that she touts so much.

Thanks! I'm always ready for some delicious lolcow art, I'd also love to hear her try to play some funky slapping on that sweet bass of hers...

 

[Jaimas]

I do like Rani, but holy shit that name reminds me so much of Enoby Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way.

Hogwarts did not work out for these trannies, I think. Fawk.

 

[Hawker Hurricane]

Dulcinea Azrael Noone? What is with these ridiculous names? It's something I would expect from a person trying to come up with a name for their dark, mysterious, totally-not-author-insert fanfic character from middle school.

It's funny because Noone cares.

Seriously though, I think Rani might be the only one who cares about the strings of garbage filling their twitter feed, other people might think they care, but once they know better they'll likely wise up and move on, we already know that Chloe only cares about Rani paying the internet bill on time so they can whine on twitter about how everyone should throw money at them so they can keep on whining on twitter instead of doing something with their life.