Debate user BoxerShorts47 on "strawmans" and logical fallacies, definitions of ephebophilia, how to MAGA, religion, Sailor Moon and more

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Fareal said:
Uh, actual men, as opposed to failures with XY chromosome, are becoming men without anyone’s help. You want a special ed class for subnormal males. Natural selection, mate; you are very keen on it right up until you realised you had been selected out.
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The data doesn't back up your claim.

Gunt.Inc said:
Again I am not here to argue about this you seem to equate 18 year olds fucking 14 years olds to your argument about lowering the age of consent to whenever a child hit puberty.
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Yes. 4 years of casual sex, drinking and drugs in high school is hardly what I would call "experienced."

Gunt.Inc said:
No It would not even if the frontal lobe is not fully developed until 25 in most people the age of consent would still be around where we see it today because the brain although not fully mature it has generally matured enough to make rational decision that take into account future consequences.
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Total BS. Without US Influence, very few nations would have 18 as age of consent. Most would be around 12-14. Even USA was 10-12 pre 1880s.

Gunt.Inc said:
Why was it social conditioning know and not then? because you think that your own urge is natural?. You seem to call everything against you social conditioning by feminist like Alt-right people tell anyone that against them they are brainwashed by Jews.
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If people are constantly breaking these laws than clearly they're against human nature. Prior to the invention of a calendar, you couldn't even have the social construct known as age of consent based on age.
 
BoxerShorts47 said:
If people are constantly breaking these laws than clearly they're against human nature. Prior to the invention of a calendar, you couldn't even have the social construct known as age of consent based on age.
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You did have age it just was not measure how we do today and the lack of knowledge made their view of it different. This equates to me denying there is such a thing as lengths because some backwards people did not want to differentiate in length. Also something being human nature is not something being moral for the hundredth time.

BoxerShorts47 said:
Yes. 4 years of casual sex, drinking and drugs in high school is hardly what I would call "experienced."
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Again stop obfuscating experience never came into your equation on why the age of consent should be attached to puberty.Nor is lowering the age of consent a proper solution.

BoxerShorts47 said:
Total BS. Without US Influence, very few nations would have 18 as age of consent. Most would be around 12-14. Even USA was 10-12 pre 1880s.
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I never said every nation would have it at 18 first of all. second I am not talking about other countries your original assertion was that using the data we would arrive at an age of consent of 25 and responded by telling you that when your age is around 16-18 using that data we would generally see peoples brain to have matures enough to take into consideration future consequence of their action therefore making them mature enough to have sex. either way this has nothing to do with your assertion of fucking girls when they hit puberty.
 
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Gunt.Inc said:
You did have age it just was not measure how we do today and the lack of knowledge made their view of it different. This equates to me denying there is such a thing as lengths because some backwards people did not want to differentiate in length. Also something being human nature is not something being moral for the hundredth time.


Again stop obfuscating experience never came into your equation on why the age of consent should be attached to puberty.Nor is lowering the age of consent a proper solution.


I never said every nation would have it at 18 first of all. second I am not talking about other countries your original assertion was that using the data we would arrive at an age of consent of 25 and responded by telling you that when your age is around 16-18 using that data we would generally see peoples brain to have matures enough to take into consideration future consequence of their action therefore making them mature enough to have sex. either way this has nothing to do with your assertion of fucking girls when they hit puberty.
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You're the one obfuscating. You have no rationale for 16 or 18. No data that says "people's minds are mature enough at 16 or 18" and I explained to you that 4 years of casual sex, drugs and drinking at high school (or even university) is hardly what I would call "mature" or 'experienced,"
 
BoxerShorts47 said:
because putting women into pump and dump relationships which is the norm leads to people spending their 20s as an extended childhood to fix themselves. best to put people on a path to marriage by avoid this "phase." Yes we need to change society to make it easier for men to become men. That has to do with educational reforms.
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Are you going to outlaw pump and dump relationships? If not, how are you going to convince men to stop looking for casual sex? Educational reforms alone are not going to help, men like to fuck, so you'll have to make sex outside marriage punishable by law as well. How are going to keep track on men and women when burning in hell no longer scares them?

BoxerShorts47 said:
You mean put back anti-seduction laws? idk, I wouldn't be that strict but preferably yes.
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Unless you strictly prohibit it, nothing is going to stop people from breaking their engagements and moving on to the next, which you don't want. You'll also have to make it illegal for them to get divorced until the children are old enough to take care of themselves. So how are you going to enforce all of this and make it so that people don't hate you for it?
 
BoxerShorts47 said:
You're the one obfuscating. You have no rationale for 16 or 18. No data that says "people's minds are mature enough at 16 or 18" and I explained to you that 4 years of casual sex, drugs and drinking at high school (or even university) is hardly what I would call "mature" or 'experienced,"
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Your equivocating mature meaning natural growth with its use as meaning experienced. Also I am not obfuscating I am just trying to get you to justify you wanting to nail girls right when they experience puberty which you have changed reason when inconvenient. You seem to not stick to a signal argument for you to justify why you should be able to act on your urges and just keep on trying to put words in my mouth and disprove other arguments. Its like Christians who want to disprove evolution but at the same fail to recognize that things are not binary just cause the age of consent is not 18 does not make it when you hit puberty. You have provided no substantive argument for people who are as young as 10 to have sex with older people other than you saying its natural and marriage. And going back to marriage why do you reduce it down to only sex?

one last questions because my urge to understand what the hell the garbage you spew means is gone.
Do you BoxerShorts47 have urges to have sexual and romantic relationship with people under the age 14? Yes/No
 
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Gunt.Inc said:
You did have age it just was not measure how we do today and the lack of knowledge made their view of it different. This equates to me denying there is such a thing as lengths because some backwards people did not want to differentiate in length. Also something being human nature is not something being moral for the hundredth time.


Again stop obfuscating experience never came into your equation on why the age of consent should be attached to puberty.Nor is lowering the age of consent a proper solution.


I never said every nation would have it at 18 first of all. second I am not talking about other countries your original assertion was that using the data we would arrive at an age of consent of 25 and responded by telling you that when your age is around 16-18 using that data we would generally see peoples brain to have matures enough to take into consideration future consequence of their action therefore making them mature enough to have sex. either way this has nothing to do with your assertion of fucking girls when they hit puberty.
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what is the rationale for 14 @ 20 yr old being sin while 18 and 80 = perfect. clearly there is a lot of social conditioning your responses.

I can see the rationale for pre-puberty (pedophilia) to be illegal and even during puberty (hebephilia) but jail-bait (ephebophilia) is clearly an adult. Your only counter is "but inexperienced" okay but drugs, drinking and casual 14-22 is not exactly grade A life experience. So you don't have any argument to justify 16 or 18. Your argument would be we should raise age of consent to 25-26 and that's not what you're arguing.

Pope Fucker said:
Are you going to outlaw pump and dump relationships? If not, how are you going to convince men to stop looking for casual sex? Educational reforms alone are not going to help, men like to fuck, so you'll have to make sex outside marriage punishable by law as well. How are going to keep track on men and women when burning in hell no longer scares them?

Unless you strictly prohibit it, nothing is going to stop people from breaking their engagements and moving on to the next, which you don't want. You'll also have to make it illegal for them to get divorced until the children are old enough to take care of themselves. So how are you going to enforce all of this and make it so that people don't hate you for it?
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Men will always look for sex. it's the woman's job to say no. Parent's job to teach the daughters to not be whores. We could criminalize seduction but I think cultural norms are better.

Gunt.Inc said:
Your equivocating mature meaning natural growth with it use as meaning experienced. Also I am not obfuscating I am just trying to get you to justify you wanting to nail girls right when they experience puberty which you have changed reason when inconvenient. You seem to not stick to a signal argument for you to justify why you should be able to act on your urges and just keep on trying to put words in my mouth and disprove other arguments. Its like Christians who want to disprove evolution but at the same fail to recognize that things are not binary just cause the age of consent is not 18 does not make it when you hit puberty. You have provided no substantive argument for people who are as young as 10 to have sex with older people other than you saying its natural and marriage. And going back to marriage why do you reduce it down to only sex?

one last questions because my urge to understand what the hell the garbage you spew means is gone.
Do you BoxerShorts47 have urges to have sexual and romantic relationship with people under the age 14? Yes/No
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1. You're the religious zealot promoting dogma like the age of consent. I'm the pro-science one.
2. No I'm not in a relationship with or have sexual desires for 14 yrs olds.
 
BoxerShorts47 said:
what is the rationale for 14 @ 20 yr old being sin while 18 and 80 = perfect. clearly there is a lot of social conditioning your responses.

I can see the rationale for pre-puberty (pedophilia) to be illegal and even during puberty (hebephilia) but jail-bait (ephebophilia) is clearly an adult. Your only counter is "but inexperienced" okay but drugs, drinking and casual 14-22 is not exactly grade A life experience. So you don't have any argument to justify 16 or 18. Your argument would be we should raise age of consent to 25-26 and that's not what you're arguing.


Men will always look for sex. it's the woman's job to say no. Parent's job to teach the daughters to not be whores. We could criminalize seduction but I think cultural norms are better.
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Way to not read anything I said but whatever just answer my question.

Gunt.Inc said:
Do you BoxerShorts47 have urges to have sexual and romantic relationship with people under the age 14? Yes/No
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Boxcar, you're just getting boring now. "The dAta"... Nigger, please; you mean your cherry-picked data.
"Pre-1880s"... Look, you addle-pated porch monkey, those times are gone. Done days. They won't come back, ever. Not even to give a workshy, rage-virgin like you a shot at married, meaningful life.
"mUh PaTh To MaRrIaGe" - Riddle me this, houseboy: what if neither of the kids in your twisted scenario even wants to get married or think about it at that age? What if they want to wait until their 20s to decide what they want to do? Who are you to prescribe their fate for them, what successes do you have in interpersonal relationships that mean they should listen to you? Literally everyone here thinks you're lower than pond scum; your personality makes Russell Greer look like Giga-Chad, Olympic Standard Pussy Slayer of this parish.

The best part of you probably dried up on the wall near your fat mom, given that she's bound to be ugly enough that your absentee father impregnated her by wanking into his hand and just throwing it at her rind-covered snatch. I'd tell you to hang yourself, but no one deserves having to find your sad carcass, better that you buy a set of ankleweights and take them for a swim. The sea can dispose of what your mom should have years ago.
 
BoxerShorts47 said:
Men will always look for sex. it's the woman's job to say no. Parent's job to teach the daughters to not be whores. We could criminalize seduction but I think cultural norms are better.
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If only your mom wouldn't have been such a whore and said no to your dad and his black friends, right?
 
BoxerShorts47 said:
Men will always look for sex. it's the woman's job to say no. Parent's job to teach the daughters to not be whores. We could criminalize seduction but I think cultural norms are better.
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Men don't want sex all the time, sometimes women want sex more than men. They aren't hookers or prostitutes or even whores, they aren't even sluts or strippers most of the time. People are just horny for one or another.
 
TruthSeekingDaimon said:
I didnt know this amazing debate existed.
Half of me wants to take part and unleash my inner autism and the other half does not want to waste time

:^(
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This is about 80% a shitposting thread. Most the time we just gather around and trade insults with ol' boxy about how much of a dumb pedo incel faggot he is while he reacts by seething and pretending he is winning. You are welcome to try to debate him and see if he says something different besides some combination of "center left libtard 2010 arguments male feminist not a pedo marriage low IQ strawman bad faith yes/no?"
 
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Zeke Von Genbu said:
This is about 80% a shitposting thread. Most the time we just gather around and trade insults with ol' boxy about how much of a dumb pedo incel faggot he is while he reacts be seething and pretending he is winning. You are welcome to try to debate him and see if he says something different besides some combination of"center left libtard 2010 arguments male feminist not a pedo marriage low IQ strawman bad faith yes/no?"
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The problem with trying to debate with Boxcar is that it's an exercise in absurdism, like trying to teach a hatrack how to speak French, discussing philosophy with a cactus, or teaching a fountain pen how to play bass guitar. He's so entrenched in his little fantasy that he physically cannot see what utter fucking nonsense he's dribbling. /pol/, not even once, kids.

Boxy, sell your computer, take some socialisation lessons, go to a bar, pick up a girl or a boy, try and fuck them. Even a total swamp donkey would be a start. Once you've demystified sex as a reward only available to you with government intervention (shades of Lucas Werner, look him up and then think about who your stablemates are), you'll level up your partners according to the progress you make on improving yourself as a person.

Or, alternatively, stay vacillating between coping and seething; alone, friendless and unfuckable until you eventually die. Just saying, one of those paths sounds better than the other and they're both theoretically available to you.

I'll sit and wait for the inevitable top hat rating and response (that doesn't actually respond to my post), then. :tomgirl:

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Troon Draugur said:
The problem with trying to debate with Boxcar is that it's an exercise in absurdism, like trying to teach a hatrack how to speak French, discussing philosophy with a cactus, or teaching a fountain pen how to play bass guitar. He's so entrenched in his little fantasy that he physically cannot see what utter fucking nonsense he's dribbling. /pol/, not even once, kids.

Boxy, sell your computer, take some socialisation lessons, go to a bar, pick up a girl or a boy, try and fuck them. Even a total swamp donkey would be a start. Once you've demystified sex as a reward only available to you with government intervention (shades of Lucas Werner, look him up and then think about who your stablemates are), you'll level up your partners according to the progress you make on improving yourself as a person.

Or, alternatively, stay vacillating between coping and seething; alone, friendless and unfuckable until you eventually die. Just saying, one of those paths sounds better than the other and they're both theoretically available to you.

I'll sit and wait for the inevitable top hat rating and response (that doesn't actually respond to my post), then. :tomgirl:
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Libtard.
 
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