Debate user BoxerShorts47 on "strawmans" and logical fallacies, definitions of ephebophilia, how to MAGA, religion, Sailor Moon and more

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Just A Butt said:
This all comes from the fact that he probably never had a chance to have one of those early relationships. If he had, he would know that without a certain amount of trial and error (read: fucking around) you can’t learn to have a real, deep, meaningful connection with someone.

Which is probably for the best, considering our boy’s mental capabilities.
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Libtard that just means we need to make it legal so teenagers can "fuck around" with 18 and 19 year olds to gain E X P (Boxy's words not mine). Here is what I don't get. If that is the goal, why is it so open ended (as far as Boxy as explained it) that we can bring 40 year olds into the mix? You can MAYBE convince some people that teens can fuck teens, with parents permission for those weird situations between 17 year olds and 18 year olds like Boxy keeps bringing up, but once you start allowing 30 year olds into the mix people are going to look at you leery eyed almost immediately typically speaking.
 
Gunt.Inc said:
:story: Holy shit someone can not be this fucking autistic. There is no such thing as High IQ deductive reasoning.
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What I'm saying is your definition for deduction, in the form of premisies and conclusions, is low IQ. High IQ version, more intuitive, is deduction is creating a model to explain reality. Axiomatic.

Zeke Von Genbu said:
How do younger males and older women fit into this argument?

Not all high school relationships end in tears and scars, a good chunk of people I know think fondly (in a way "I had fun" sort of way) or neutrally about their high school dating life. Do you have any actual evidence to indicate that this is some widespread issue? You've cited urban dictionary's "Netflix and chill" as some sort of evidence and that is about it as far as I'm aware.
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Before age of consent, and I think even in the early years IIRC, a women couldn't rape a man. I actually agree with this idea. I think think a 15 yr old man having sex with his 25 yr old teacher = rape. Rape requires a man to physically overpower a women and have sex with her against her will. Unless a women has a gun to your head, I don't think you can consider that rape.

Have you seen the state of late millennials or zoomers? They're soo bad. I see many women my age with whom I went to HS that are unmarried, they wasted their fertility, their teenage years and early 20s as used condoms. I've spoken with men older than myself (30+) and we all struggle finding wifey material. If a women is having casual sex from age 15-30, she's statistically less likely to not going to be wifey material. You need to ask where does this problem begin? Answer is off course middle or high school. Age of consent leads to casual sex. This is what you're promoting.

Lonely Grave said:
Get fucked, pedo retard: Study shows average marriage age as early as the 17th century in Europe and the continental America consistently averaged mid-20s, indicating that people already knew when not to be child-molesting fucks before modern feminism was even a thing.
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Avg age in America was about 22. Marriage patterns in Western Europe were different from Eastern Europe and even America and that change only occurred around the 16th century.
 
BoxerShorts47 said:
Before age of consent, and I think even in the early years IIRC, a women couldn't rape a man. I actually agree with this idea. I think think a 15 yr old man having sex with his 25 yr old teacher = rape. Rape requires a man to physically overpower a women and have sex with her against her will. Unless a women has a gun to your head, I don't think you can consider that rape.

Have you seen the state of late millennials or zoomers? They're soo bad. I see many women my age with whom I went to HS that are unmarried, they wasted their fertility, their teenage years and early 20s as used condoms. I've spoken with men older than myself (30+) and we all struggle finding wifey material. If a women is having casual sex from age 15-30, she's statistically less likely to not going to be wifey material. You need to ask where does this problem begin? Answer is off course middle or high school. Age of consent leads to casual sex. This is what you're promoting.
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So women can't ever rape or sexual assault a man under any circumstance? Is that what I'm getting from that first bit or am I mistaken considering you said "rape requires a man to physically overpower a woman"? What if you knew someone who had a female authority figure sexual assault them or a woman had a means to just straight overpower a man. You'd say that they weren't raped?

So you just have personal anecdotes I take it? Then we can't ever agree, because I was born around the mid 90s and I got a girlfriend just fine and I know she had casual sex in her high school years. Sure she isn't perfect, but no woman truly is. So my anecdotes don't align with yours so now what? What exactly do you and your 30+ men find to be "wifey" material anyway? That is such a broad topic because people want different things from a life partner be it a man or a woman as long as you can form a semi financially stable partnership that both parties agree with. Everything after finances are concerned broadly depending on what each person wants.
 
BoxerShorts47 said:
Avg age in America was about 22. Marriage patterns in Western Europe were different from Eastern Europe and even America and that change only occurred around the 16th century.
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Your point being what? Stricture on sexual relationships did not shift from the grasp of the Church until the 17th-18th century, which emphasised celibacy before marriage therefore your fantasy of fucking a 14 year old could never have happened in the time-frame where you believe you reign superior. Nobody gives a shit about what the Orthodox side thought, their inputs on sexual relations were marginal at best and did not influence policy in the West.

All of this is well outside the period where the first feminists as we know them start appearing. So shut the fuck up about your dumb little SJW/feminist parroting.
 
BoxerShorts47 said:
What I'm saying is your definition for deduction, in the form of premisies and conclusions, is low IQ. High IQ version, more intuitive, is deduction is creating a model to explain reality. Axiomatic.
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That isn't deduction that is just modeling. Deduction is what you would use after you have made a model to postulate what the model could possibly tell you.

Like I said a few post ago your getting an ought from an is which makes your argument for supporting your pedophilic tendencies flawed, and you don't seem to grasp this reality.

Also answer @HumanHive
HumanHive said:
New topic:
@BoxerShorts47 Opinions on the overwhelming superiority of Islamic dietary laws? How does this fit into your views on pedophilia?
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BoxerShorts47 said:
Before age of consent, and I think even in the early years IIRC, a women couldn't rape a man. I actually agree with this idea. I think think a 15 yr old man having sex with his 25 yr old teacher = rape. Rape requires a man to physically overpower a women and have sex with her against her will. Unless a women has a gun to your head, I don't think you can consider that rape.
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>women aren't capable of rape
When did @BoxerShorts47 turn into an SJW from 2015? :story:
 
psychotic senpai said:
what are you smoking my boy
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- "what are you smoking"

plz no gen x liberal degeneracy. I would appropriate if you could rephrase through euro-normativity. e.g. "Kind Sir. I seem to be trouble understanding your message, can you please elaborate X."

Gunt.Inc said:
That isn't deduction that is just modeling. Deduction is what you would use after you have made a model to postulate what the model could possibly tell you.

Like I said a few post ago your getting an ought from an is which makes your argument for supporting your pedophilic tendencies flawed, and you don't seem to grasp this reality.

Also answer @HumanHive
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deduction is the process of setting-up the model AND using it to make decisions. Again this is semantics. I don't use "ought" and "is" in in my internal analysis. I use inductive and deductive reasoning. My deductive rationale for lowering age of consent is based on the puberty model and inductive rationale is based on sampling historical data.

Zeke Von Genbu said:
So women can't ever rape or sexual assault a man under any circumstance? Is that what I'm getting from that first bit or am I mistaken considering you said "rape requires a man to physically overpower a woman"? What if you knew someone who had a female authority figure sexual assault them or a woman had a means to just straight overpower a man. You'd say that they weren't raped?

So you just have personal anecdotes I take it? Then we can't ever agree, because I was born around the mid 90s and I got a girlfriend just fine and I know she had casual sex in her high school years. Sure she isn't perfect, but no woman truly is. So my anecdotes don't align with yours so now what? What exactly do you and your 30+ men find to be "wifey" material anyway? That is such a broad topic because people want different things from a life partner be it a man or a woman as long as you can form a semi financially stable partnership that both parties agree with. Everything after finances are concerned broadly depending on what each person wants.
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1. rape must require physical force. You could argue that using "authority" is a form of extortion but it's not "rape."

2. Anecdotal evident is 100% fine IF your sample size matches the population. But clearly we have a marriage rate crisis.

www.census.gov

Percent Married Among 18-to 34-Year-Olds: 1978 and 2018

1978 and 2018 Current Population Survey, Annual Social and Economic Supplements
www.census.gov www.census.gov

 
BoxerShorts47 said:
Before age of consent, and I think even in the early years IIRC, a women couldn't rape a man. I actually agree with this idea. I think think a 15 yr old man having sex with his 25 yr old teacher = rape. Rape requires a man to physically overpower a women and have sex with her against her will. Unless a women has a gun to your head, I don't think you can consider that rape.
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Does that mean that when @SIGSEGV bent you you over it wasn't rape?
 
BoxerShorts47 said:
"what are you smoking"

plz no gen x liberal degeneracy. I would appropriate if you could rephrase through euro-normativity. e.g. "Kind Sir. I seem to be trouble understanding your message, can you please elaborate X."
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Dear faggot, I humbly oblige you to take the copious amounts of male reproductive organs out of your drooling maw so that you may more clearly state your case.

Edit: fucked up quotes.
 
BoxerShorts47 said:
- "what are you smoking"

plz no gen x liberal degeneracy. I would appropriate if you could rephrase through euro-normativity. e.g. "Kind Sir. I seem to be trouble understanding your message, can you please elaborate X."


deduction is the process of setting-up the model AND using it to make decisions. Again this is semantics. I don't use "ought" and "is" in in my internal analysis. I use inductive and deductive reasoning. My deductive rationale for lowering age of consent is based on the puberty model and inductive rationale is based on sampling historical data.


1. rape must require physical force. You could argue that using "authority" is a form of extortion but it's not "rape."

2. Anecdotal evident is 100% fine IF your sample size matches the population. But clearly we have a marriage rate crisis.

www.census.gov

Percent Married Among 18-to 34-Year-Olds: 1978 and 2018

1978 and 2018 Current Population Survey, Annual Social and Economic Supplements
www.census.gov www.census.gov

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So having sex with an unconscious unaware individual is not rape?
 
BoxerShorts47 said:
- "what are you smoking"

plz no gen x liberal degeneracy. I would appropriate if you could rephrase through euro-normativity. e.g. "Kind Sir. I seem to be trouble understanding your message, can you please elaborate X."


deduction is the process of setting-up the model AND using it to make decisions. Again this is semantics. I don't use "ought" and "is" in in my internal analysis. I use inductive and deductive reasoning. My deductive rationale for lowering age of consent is based on the puberty model and inductive rationale is based on sampling historical data.


1. rape must require physical force. You could argue that using "authority" is a form of extortion but it's not "rape."

2. Anecdotal evident is 100% fine IF your sample size matches the population. But clearly we have a marriage rate crisis.

www.census.gov

Percent Married Among 18-to 34-Year-Olds: 1978 and 2018

1978 and 2018 Current Population Survey, Annual Social and Economic Supplements
www.census.gov www.census.gov

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Kind sir, I do not understand why you are still breathing. Please remedy the situation as soon as it is convenient for you to do so.
 
BoxerShorts47 said:
1. rape must require physical force. You could argue that using "authority" is a form of extortion but it's not "rape."

2. Anecdotal evident is 100% fine IF your sample size matches the population. But clearly we have a marriage rate crisis.

www.census.gov

Percent Married Among 18-to 34-Year-Olds: 1978 and 2018

1978 and 2018 Current Population Survey, Annual Social and Economic Supplements
www.census.gov www.census.gov

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1: Can a woman ever overpower a man by any means, such as having a weapon and when the man does not or the rare instance where a woman is actually stronger then the man, and it be considered rape? This is a real "yes/no" question.

2: Wouldn't you say that the massive push to go to college making people go to school for 4+ years of your life then spend another who the fuck knows how long developing your career would lead to this instance? I remember conversations with college professors who were told going for an economics degree was retarded because you could just go smash rocks in the mine instead and he was a 60-70 something so he'd fit in this rough timeline you've provided. Considering men, in my experience, can get very insecure around women with a better or even equal career to them wouldn't you say that this could also lead to this issue?

3: Also please kind sir can you please stop ignoring half my questions and answer "what is wifey material?". Define it for me.

Edit: "I seem to be trouble" Boxershorts saying the only fact he has ever said in this entire thread
 
Zeke Von Genbu said:
1: Can a woman ever overpower a man by any means, such as having a weapon and when the man does not or the rare instance where a woman is actually stronger then the man, and it be considered rape? This is a real "yes/no" question.

2: Wouldn't you say that the massive push to go to college making people go to school for 4+ years of your life then spend another who the fuck knows how long developing your career would lead to this instance? I remember conversations with college professors who were told going for an economics degree was retarded because you could just go smash rocks in the mine instead and he was a 60-70 something so he'd fit in this rough timeline you've provided. Considering men, in my experience, can get very insecure around women with a better or even equal career to them wouldn't you say that this could also lead to this issue?

3: Also please kind sir can you please stop ignoring half my questions and answer "what is wifey material?". Define it for me.

Edit: "I seem to be trouble" Boxershorts saying the only fact he has ever said in this entire thread
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1. yes.

2. multiple variables and I agree that telling women to focus on grades over boyfriend is part of the problem and so is equal pay which forces women to work rather than finding a man to provide for them.

3. I only ignore stupid stuff. You know what wifey material is. I don't need to define it. But I will say that a women that says, "Ya I have trust issues" or "I don't want anything serious" is NOT wifey material. Too many women are damaged goods.
 
BoxerShorts47 said:
1. yes.

2. multiple variables and I agree that telling women to focus on grades over boyfriend is part of the problem and so is equal pay which forces women to work rather than finding a man to provide for them.

3. I only ignore stupid stuff. You know what wifey material is. I don't need to define it. But I will say that a women that says, "Ya I have trust issues" or "I don't want anything serious" is NOT wifey material. Too many women are damaged goods.
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2: This goes both ways. Some men spend their glory years trying to climb some career ladder and depending on their ambitions they can not be a really good boyfriend/husband/partner because they're actually too busy to be there on any real emotional level. Also can you explain this whole equal pay thing? You mentioned some time ago something to the effect of "If we didn't have equal pay, we'd pay men 2/3/4 times what they're paid now so women wouldn't ever need to work.". How exactly does that work or did I misunderstand? Elaborate.

3: Considering you and I have fundamentally different views on a few things from what I've been able to gather, no I don't know what it means by your definition. That is why I asked the question. Sure those random quotes don't make a stable relationship, especially the latter, but from what you've shown this thread the idea of having a woman be your objective equal is heresy. What if a man has no actual interest in kids? Does that mean they don't want a "wifey" considering how much focus you put on the wife raising kids?
 
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