2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Kamala is detested but she's firmly part of the DNC establishment and is "in the club" as it were, plus the DNC is probably delusional enough to push the "Woman of Color" angle since she is half-black technically speaking.

Biden kinda gaffed himself into a corner when he said he wanted a woman of color for his VP and unless he goes full dotard and picks Elizabeth Warren, that leaves him with two extremely toxic candidates (Kamala Harris, Stacey Abrams), one bland but inoffensive nobody (Susan Rice), and that's really it.
I think it was decided for awhile.

Obama will likely be a key part of the 2020 election (even if he isn't going to be part of the ticket), and his 'team' has more or less taken over the DNC apparatus from the Clinton team, following her loss in 2016. After all, Biden certainly isn't the one directing his own campaign.

Kamala is part of the Obama team and part of his "club" as you might say, but she also doesn't really 'outshine' Obama- thus his legacy is safe.

As she fits the 'moderate', 'female', and 'POC' labels, she would be instrumental in targeting 'Blue Dog' swing states this election (i.e. Michigan, Pennsylvania), as well as certain key demographics (i.e. blacks, women, moderates). She's currently the one leading the media offensive on Trump, and recently had a bit of a media and facial 'glow-up'.

I do agree that Warren (or even Rice) would be slightly better, but they're all far from adequate, unfortunately.
 
I think it was decided for awhile.

Obama will likely be a key part of the 2020 election (even if he isn't going to be part of the ticket), and his 'team' has more or less taken over the DNC apparatus from the Clinton team, following her loss in 2016. After all, Biden certainly isn't the one directing his own campaign.

Kamala is part of the Obama team and part of his "club" as you might say, but she also doesn't really 'outshine' Obama- thus his legacy is safe.

As she fits the 'moderate', 'female', and 'POC' labels, she would be instrumental in targeting 'Blue Dog' swing states this election (i.e. Michigan, Pennsylvania), as well as certain key demographics (i.e. blacks, women, moderates). She's currently the one leading the media offensive on Trump, and recently had a bit of a media and facial 'glow-up'.

I do agree that Warren (or even Rice) would be slightly better, but they're all far from adequate, unfortunately.
Kamala couldn't get the black vote activated for her, wtf does she think she's good for to the Democrats?
 
Kamala couldn't get the black vote activated for her, wtf does she think she's good for to the Democrats?

She's part of the Obama inner circle and is relying on DNC cronyism and the media running extra interference on her behalf.

If she gets in a second debate though, she might end up getting BTFO'd once again. First time it was by the Surf Mom from Hawaii, second time it will be by Gay Ward Cleaver from Indiana

I think Trump will do everything he can to get the presidential debate going, but I think the VP debates are not going to happen this year since it's less important and Trump could spin it as letting the media cancel the VP debates in exchange for getting to debate Biden since it's obvious Kamala is the real DNC pick.
 
I think it was decided for awhile.

Obama will likely be a key part of the 2020 election (even if he isn't going to be part of the ticket), and his 'team' has more or less taken over the DNC apparatus from the Clinton team, following her loss in 2016. After all, Biden certainly isn't the one directing his own campaign.
You're overestimating how much the Eternal Pantsuit has been divested from the Biden campaign. His current slogan is repurposed from the Clinton Foundation's 2011 Haiti fundraiser. Obama's been uncharacteristically quiet and has to be literally badgered by the media to even comment on Trump, his buddy Patrick Deval went over like a lead balloon once he tried to run for president, I think the Obamas are enjoying their Netflix money and focusing their efforts there, hoping to avoid too much collateral damage from election year politics.
 
So what's the plans regarding election day with the virus? I'm trying to weight if I should bet on Trump winning over 50% of the popular vote or not, just still very unsure and need to plan this for the next few months with my limited income.
Why do you need to know if he's going to win 50% of the popular vote, at least before possible voting fraud? Trump had less than Clinton last time but won because he carried key swing states that pushed him over 270 votes.

I'd say no to Trump winning over 50% of the popular votes, but I'd also say no to him winning in general until closer to the election when we can get a clearer idea of what the likely outcome is.
 
So what's the plans regarding election day with the virus? I'm trying to weight if I should bet on Trump winning over 50% of the popular vote or not, just still very unsure and need to plan this for the next few months with my limited income.

He will win 99.9% of the vote, swing through the country on a griffin with mounted laser eye rays and the entire population of the US will fall down and call him "Mau'Don".

Is that what you want to know? I'll summon the spicing guild next to see about getting you some better answers.
 
I'm trying to weight if I should bet on Trump winning over 50% of the popular vote or not, just still very unsure and need to plan this for the next few months with my limited income.
With the potential for DNC mail-in vote shenanigans (read: fraud) I wouldn't expect him to win over 50%. But it's really too far away to call. Biden could die of the coof in 20 days and nobody would really be that surprised. I would wait until the first debate to see what happens then.
 
With the potential for DNC mail-in vote shenanigans (read: fraud) I wouldn't expect him to win over 50%. But it's really too far away to call. Biden could die of the coof in 20 days and nobody would really be that surprised. I would wait until the first debate to see what happens then.
In the hypothetical that Biden kicks the bucket, how would the DNC nominate the next presidental candidate? By fiat?
 
You're overestimating how much the Eternal Pantsuit has been divested from the Biden campaign. His current slogan is repurposed from the Clinton Foundation's 2011 Haiti fundraiser. Obama's been uncharacteristically quiet and has to be literally badgered by the media to even comment on Trump, his buddy Patrick Deval went over like a lead balloon once he tried to run for president, I think the Obamas are enjoying their Netflix money and focusing their efforts there, hoping to avoid too much collateral damage from election year politics.
You think both families are just waiting in the wings for 2024 when a Dem President is most likely and don't want to spend all their political capital on a senile old man who can barley pack 80 people into a High School Gymnasium?

The 2020 Democratic primary could be similar to the 2012 Republican primary where they let the crazies and fringe members of their party get their chance to run and if they win great, but they're saving the best for the year when they don't have to go up against an incumbent. Makes you wonder who is waiting in the wings waiting for their shot at the Oval Office. Hopefully the Dems will get their own Trump in 2024 who captures the populist outrage at the system and derails the party's plan to put some milquetoast, family legacy, swamp creature as their candidate.
 
You think both families are just waiting in the wings for 2024 when a Dem President is most likely and don't want to spend all their political capital on a senile old man who can barley pack 80 people into a High School Gymnasium?

The 2020 Democratic primary could be similar to the 2012 Republican primary where they let the crazies and fringe members of their party get their chance to run and if they win great, but they're saving the best for the year when they don't have to go up against an incumbent. Makes you wonder who is waiting in the wings waiting for their shot at the Oval Office. Hopefully the Dems will get their own Trump in 2024 who captures the populist outrage at the system and derails the party's plan to put some milquetoast, family legacy, swamp creature as their candidate.
The Clintons, the Obamas, and the DNC are worried about 2020 because they feel its the last chance to get Trump out before he has carte blanche to do whatever. They're scared that he might go after them and possibly throw them, more likely their cohorts, in prison and ruin their legacies. Trump, Barr, and the DOJ are very close to something. The Flynn case revealed Obama and Biden knew about the drummed up charges on Trump and partially orchestrated what happened to Flynn. But Barry, Bill, and Hillary, not to mention the heads of the DNC, will most likely never see the inside of a jail cell. There's gonna be dozens of people before them that will take the blame and go in their place.

Also, the tech industry is worried that Trump might do something about their monopolies. Not likely since the hearings today showed that most of them are out of touch. And even if the entire GOP was behind going after Google, Facebook, and Twitter, the DNC would stop them no matter what since they let the heads of these companies purger themselves multiple times today.
 
So what's the plans regarding election day with the virus? I'm trying to weight if I should bet on Trump winning over 50% of the popular vote or not, just still very unsure and need to plan this for the next few months with my limited income.
If Trump's over 50% in the popular, then it's a gigantic landslide and he'd win states like Oregon. If you have like 500/1 odds, I guess go for it.
 
If Trump's over 50% in the popular, then it's a gigantic landslide and he'd win states like Oregon. If you have like 500/1 odds, I guess go for it.
He could win over 50% of the vote and not flip solidly blue states like Oregon. Obama won over 50% twice, and didn't flip many red states, and he lost the few he did flip with his landslide 2008 win in 2012.
 
In the hypothetical that Biden kicks the bucket, how would the DNC nominate the next presidental candidate? By fiat?
It all depends on what stage of the election cycle he dies in.

Scenario no. 1:
If he were to do right now, before the convention, all the Biden delegates still go to the convention pledged to Biden. Technically they take the vote and, well, oops we can't nominate a dead man. (They could skip this step, nobody would cry foul, but according to the DNC bylaws no delegates are unbound until after the first vote,. Not even the Superdelegates.) So it goes to a second round with all the Biden delegates "unbound", meaning they can vote for whoever they want, but in reality they are being wrangled by the state leafers, and we have the much vaunted brokered election, where it could be anybody. Much horse trading and backroom stuff.

There's also the business of the VP. Since right now Biden hasn't announced his VP choice yet, this also would probably be settled duing the bargaining phase of the brokered convention. I'll throw my states votes your way for a VP spot. That kind of thing. This stays true even if Bid n had announced a pick. The VP has to be voted on and nominated by the convention just lik the president, so an announced pick pre convention probably wouldn't hold up. Too many deals to be made.

Scenario no. 2:

Biden made it to the convention, got nominated, a VP pick was made, and then he died.
This one really sucks for the VP.

At this point the ballot in November is going to say Joe Biden for president no matter what, but the VP is going to have to do all the campaigning by themselves. Let's say somehow the Democrats win the general election. It goes to the electoral college as usual. The vote happens as usual. Now it all depends on if the DNC has their shit together or not. If they do have I together, they've made it clear to the Biden electors to all vote for the same person. If they do, good whoever gets the most votes is the president elect. If they don't, and you have enough random votes that go every where then whoever got the most votes is president elect...which would be Trump. Then repeat the process for VP as usual.

This sucks for the VP pick because there is no guarantee for them that the DNC would give the order to elect the VP vote to the president vote. There's not even a guarantee that they'd keep the VP pick as VP. There's also there is also a possibility that if they don't keep it together that you end up with Pence remaining VP to a democratic president. They don't open the ballot box there you see, and there's no do overs. The box stays locked until a joint session of Congress unlocks it and counts the votes. All that matters is who gets the most votes in the box for each office.

Scenario 3:

Biden lives long enough to win the general election, but dies before the Electoral college meets:

Same as scenario 2, but the VP is probably in a better position to "move up a spot" due to the optics involved

Scenario 4:

Joe Biden somehow dies in the half hour between when the electoral college votes and Congress unlocks the box:

This is the only spot where a constitutional crisis would occur. My best guess would be that Congress pretends like they didn't hear anything and we proceed to scenario 5. Otherwise the supreme Court is going to have to sort this one out. Since Biden won the EC, but Trump is the highest vote getting living candidate, but the Dem VP is VP elect. Either way Pence is out of a job.

Scenario 5:

Biden dies between the Congressional vote count and the inauguration:

This one is simple. At this point the VP has the magic word "elect", and this makes all the difference. The VP elect would become president elect, and we proceed as normal, with the VP spot vacant until the new president submits a name to the Senate for approval. The VP is vacant until the Senate says yes.

Note: in this case Biden isn't posthumously inaugurated or anything like that. No asterisks or the like the VP elect goes straight to the White House.

Also in every scenario expect like a bazillion court challenges, but this is the way it should pan out, barring a retarded Hawaiian judge getting involved or something like that.
 
Sheeeeit, now he's done it. This is the ragebait libs have been looking for.

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Sheeeeit, now he's done it. This is the ragebait libs have been looking for.

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I don't want to sound all Q-Boomer on this, but maybe this is a threat he's trying to use to get a lot of the lockdowns to loosen up? It's pretty obvious Trump knows this would have to go through Congress, who would not pass it at all.

If he cites COVID-19 as one of his main justifications for this suggestion and uses a lot of the DNC's rhetoric on the virus to back it up, then I expect the DNC to start changing their tune and shifting the narrative. State governments in blue states might loosen up their lockdowns more and only the extremely hard-hit states like Florida and New York will try to keep it going, since it really is a safety issue in those areas.
 
I don't want to sound all Q-Boomer on this, but maybe this is a threat he's trying to use to get a lot of the lockdowns to loosen up? It's pretty obvious Trump knows this would have to go through Congress, who would not pass it at all.

If he cites COVID-19 as one of his main justifications for this suggestion and uses a lot of the DNC's rhetoric on the virus to back it up, then I expect the DNC to start changing their tune and shifting the narrative. State governments in blue states might loosen up their lockdowns more and only the extremely hard-hit states like Florida and New York will try to keep it going, since it really is a safety issue in those areas.
He also didn't say he was definitively going to delay it. Even if you take it at face value, it's at most a suggestion.
 
Sounds more like a JAQ shitpost
I don't want to sound all Q-Boomer on this, but maybe this is a threat he's trying to use to get a lot of the lockdowns to loosen up? It's pretty obvious Trump knows this would have to go through Congress, who would not pass it at all.

That actually makes some sense, because it looks like he's just JAQ'ing it.

It'd never happen anyway, and I'm glad it won't. If you can hold the 1864 election in the middle of a shooting civil war, you can hold one now.
 
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