U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

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Syaoran Li said:
So was Jesus of Nazareth. Your point?




The problem with Magnus Hirschfield is how much of that is genuine proto-transgender shit and how much of it is tranny revisionism like they've done with Marsha P. Johnson?

I always got the feeling Magnus Hirschfield was more of an IRL mad scientist who tried to apply Freud's cocaine-fueled psychosexual insanity to surgery, sort of like Mengele did with Nazi race lunacy in his experiments. I could be wrong, but the whole "the Nazis burned books about trans people to deny their existence" really comes off as a gender-sped canard on the level of "Marsha P. Johnson was a tranny and started the Stonewall riots singlehandedly"
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They didn't burn the books to deny their existence. They burned the books so that the memetic virus didn't spread. There definitely have been what we'd have called "trans people" dating back thousands of years, but they were always on the fringes of society, and usually forced into sexwork. In the past 500 years, there were "sissy bars" in 18th century London (could be mixing this particular term up with a similar concept from the 19th century American West), and there were women living as men, and not just for perceived male benefits - there were those who considered themselves as "male", called themselves male, referred to themselves as male, and even had wives.

Hirschfeld apparently was trying to collect information on transgender / homosexual stuff and also liked dressing up himself, and gathered a bunch of tranners to his Sexual Institute. My pet conspiracy theory is that the Nazis burned it because Hirschfeld had mounds of data regarding the homosexuals that the Nazi party was riddled with, particularly in the SA, but I can't prove this one way or the other.
 
Syaoran Li said:
The problem with Magnus Hirschfield is how much of that is genuine proto-transgender shit and how much of it is tranny revisionism like they've done with Marsha P. Johnson?
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The only way to know will likely be to head to the nearest major city and raid the main branch of the library for ancient fag studies books.


TaimuRadiu said:
Hirschfeld apparently was trying to collect information on transgender / homosexual stuff and also liked dressing up himself, and gathered a bunch of tranners to his Sexual Institute. My pet conspiracy theory is that the Nazis burned it because Hirschfeld had mounds of data regarding the homosexuals that the Nazi party was riddled with, particularly in the SA, but I can't prove this one way or the other.
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Maybe. But this is clearly the best proscribed method to cleanse debauchery from your society, so quite possibly 50/50.
 
NyQuilninja said:
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Yes, but the doctors now say only half of Biden's brain was eaten by amoebas and cured with intracranial antibiotics. pedo.jpg

TaimuRadiu said:
They didn't burn the books to deny their existence. They burned the books so that the memetic virus didn't spread. There definitely have been what we'd have called "trans people" dating back thousands of years, but they were always on the fringes of society, and usually forced into sexwork. In the past 500 years, there were "sissy bars" in 18th century London (could be mixing this particular term up with a similar concept from the 19th century American West), and there were women living as men, and not just for perceived male benefits - there were those who considered themselves as "male", called themselves male, referred to themselves as male, and even had wives.

Hirschfeld apparently was trying to collect information on transgender / homosexual stuff and also liked dressing up himself, and gathered a bunch of tranners to his Sexual Institute. My pet conspiracy theory is that the Nazis burned it because Hirschfeld had mounds of data regarding the homosexuals that the Nazi party was riddled with, particularly in the SA, but I can't prove this one way or the other.
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No one cared about Gays even back then. Ernst Rohm was openly gay, Homo head of the Homo SA and was Hitler's Homo best friend. Gays then did their thing in private and not in the middle of the streets in Berlin. Sadly for Germany and Europe Rohm lost the political struggle and Hitler went on a rampage that resulted in 10's of millions of dead Whites. Rohm was OCD pro German and never would have attacked the Soviet Union or declared war on the US as the German High Command recommended against to Hitler.
 
DumbDude42 said:
hard to tell overall
articles like this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dora_Richter] reek of tranny revisionism, with all the references to current year trannyspeak. "transgender woman" "transitioning" "raised as male" "she" "her" etc, but even if you discard all that newspeak shit and stick to the facts only, it still says that this guy was castrated and had "an artificial vagina" made at the institute
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True, but I think the Dora Richter thing wasn't really trans nor were the experiments meant as a gender theory canard. I'd say Hirschfield was a sick demented fuck who abused his position of authority to perform human experimentation, and the tranny revisionists tried to glorify his sick experiments.

TaimuRadiu said:
They didn't burn the books to deny their existence. They burned the books so that the memetic virus didn't spread. There definitely have been what we'd have called "trans people" dating back thousands of years, but they were always on the fringes of society, and usually forced into sexwork. In the past 500 years, there were "sissy bars" in 18th century London (could be mixing this particular term up with a similar concept from the 19th century American West), and there were women living as men, and not just for perceived male benefits - there were those who considered themselves as "male", called themselves male, referred to themselves as male, and even had wives.

Hirschfeld apparently was trying to collect information on transgender / homosexual stuff and also liked dressing up himself, and gathered a bunch of tranners to his Sexual Institute. My pet conspiracy theory is that the Nazis burned it because Hirschfeld had mounds of data regarding the homosexuals that the Nazi party was riddled with, particularly in the SA, but I can't prove this one way or the other.
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Yeah, but there's a world of difference between transgender lunacy and merely being a cross-dressing homosexual.

The "molly houses" of Georgian-era London and the Weimar-era drag houses were not the same as the tranny nonsense of the late 20th and early 21st Centuries. Most of those cross-dressers still considered themselves men, albeit gay men. You probably did have fringe cases of gender dysphoria disorder that went undiagnosed like Elagabalus, but those were the exceptions to the rule.
 
Gnostic American said:
No one cared about Gays even back then. Ernst Rohm was openly gay, Homo head of the Homo SA and was Hitler's Homo best friend. Gays then did their thing in private and not in the middle of the streets in Berlin. Sadly for Germany and Europe Rohm lost the political struggle and Hitler went on a rampage that resulted in 10's of millions of dead Whites. Rohm was OCD pro German and never would have attacked the Soviet Union or declared war on the US as the German High Command recommended against to Hitler.
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No, people absolutely DID care. It was part of why the SA was liquidated. Homosexuality has historically been considered a perversion and a bad one at that.

Syaoran Li said:
True, but I think the Dora Richter thing wasn't really trans nor were the experiments meant as a gender theory canard. I'd say Hirschfield was a sick demented fuck who abused his position of authority to perform human experimentation, and the tranny revisionists tried to glorify his sick experiments.



Yeah, but there's a world of difference between transgender lunacy and merely being a cross-dressing homosexual.

The "molly houses" of Georgian-era London and the Weimar-era drag houses were not the same as the tranny nonsense of the late 20th and early 21st Centuries. Most of those cross-dressers still considered themselves men, albeit gay men. You probably did have fringe cases of gender dysphoria disorder that went undiagnosed like Elagabalus, but those were the exceptions to the rule.
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Yeah, it's almost as if actual gender dysphoria is a rare phenomenon? They didn't have the language for a lot of it which is why transsexuality has historically been part of homosexuality. You say they "weren't the same" but I say "it's part of the same thing, but today we don't have Twitter for TRUE AND HONEST WOMEN to proclaim such."
 
Syaoran Li said:
the tranny revisionists tried to glorify his sick experiments.
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Same with John Money. They deify paedophiles and madmen. They'd put Mengele if only he'd done a few dick inversions.

They shouldn't have burned the books. Chances are they contained proof that the entire ideology was demented and insane.
 
TaimuRadiu said:
No, people absolutely DID care. It was part of why the SA was liquidated. Homosexuality has historically been considered a perversion and a bad one at that.
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Wrong, the SA was broken apart because Hitler wanted the SS with Himmler in charge to take their place. Hitler offered a gesture but Rohm wanted to head the SS and threated a coup if denied, hence the dual that followed. And the other point of Rohm continuing to being too rough in the street after the Nazi party retained power. Rohm de facto admitted in writing that he would, in peacetime be in prison as a criminal John Wayne Gacy. Rohm and his band of Homos put Hitler and Nazi party in power. And no one in the party gave 2 shits that the SA killed and um... antifa for sport in the streets. It was war for survival from their point of view. And the gays in the camps were there for political and criminal reasons. The pink triangle was to humiliate them.

Hitler and Rohm were best friends for years. Either Hitler was gay himself or at least knew that Rohm was as well. And why would they put homosexuals in charge of fighting the civil war if they were so 'homophobic'?[/QUOTE]
 
teriyakiburns said:
Same with John Money. They deify paedophiles and madmen. They'd put Mengele if only he'd done a few dick inversions.

They shouldn't have burned the books. Chances are they contained proof that the entire ideology was demented and insane.
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The LGB should have never let the T into their ranks.

Even as a pragmatic move, it backfired on them harder than anything. Especially after same-sex marriage was finally legalized federally and the activism-industrial complex needed to keep their gravy train rolling.

LGB should really kick out the T and the Q.

The issue now isn't the LGB, it's entirely the TQ and the Marxists who support them as a means to an end. Most of the pro-public degeneracy in the pride parade side is TQ and usually woke Late Millennials and Early Zoomers, while the LGB are either indifferent or against it

The T are snakes in the grass and the Q's are just straight Millennial punks and hipsters who don't want to admit they're straight and want to score points in the Oppression Olympics.
 
Syaoran Li said:
You probably did have fringe cases of gender dysphoria disorder that went undiagnosed like Elagabalus, but those were the exceptions to the rule.
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You've gotta take Roman sources on the sexuality of the figures hated by the elite with a grain of salt. It's typical of such sources to portray those they dislike as sexually perverse. It's way beyond anything even we have today. Here's a segment of Cicero's Pro Caelio where he defames the woman at the (alleged) center of a court case as being sexually licentious:

Our whole concern in this case, jurors, is with Clodia, a woman not only noble but even notorious. Of her I will say no more than is necessary to refute the charges...If she does not admit that she obliged Caelius with the loan of the gold, if she does not accuse him of preparing poison for her, then my behavior is ungentlemanly in dragging in a matron's name otherwise than the respect due to ladies requires. But if on the contrary aside from that woman their case against Caelius is deprived of all strength and foundation, what else can I do as an advocate but repel those who press the assault? Which I would do all the more vehemently if I did not have cause for ill-feeling toward that woman's lover-I am sorry; I meant to say "brother." I am always making that slip. But now I will handle her with moderation, and proceed no further than my honor and the case itself demand. I have never thought it right to take up arms against a lady, especially against one whose arms are so open to all...

But as for you, woman-I am not speaking to you now through the mouth of another-if you have in mind to make good what you are doing, saying, pretending, plotting, and alleging, you had better do some explaining as well, and account for this extraordinarily intimate association. The prosecutors have been lavish with their tales of affairs, amours, adulteries, Baiae, beach-picnics, banquets, drinking-bouts, songfests, musical ensembles, and yachting parties. And they indicate that they are describing all this with your full permission. Since for some rash, mad purpose you have been willing to have all these stories come out at a trial in the forum, you must either tone down their effect by showing they are groundless, or else admit that no one need believe your charges and your testimony.

But if you would rather I dealt with you more suavely, I will take this tack: I will whisk that old fellow off the scene, unfeeling rustic that he is, and will bring on someone of your own day, your younger brother, say, the most sophisticated of all that crew. He loves you dearly. When be was a young sprout he used to sleep with big sister because, I am told, he was subject to mysterious nervousness and fanciful fears at night. Suppose we let him talk to you: "Why are you making such a fuss, sister? Why are you behaving like an insane woman?

Why, with shout and speech inflate A little thing into a great?

You saw a young man living nearby. He bad a fresh complexion. He was tall. He was handsome. His eyes were attractive. You were much taken with all this. You wanted to see him more often. You met sometimes on the same suburban estates. A woman of means, you thought to bind the young man with fetters of gold, still dependent on a tightfisted father. But you can't. He kicks, be spits, he bucks. He doesn't set much value on your presents. Well, go somewhere else. You have gardens on the Tiber. You deliberately chose them for their location, since they are at the very place where all the young men go in swimming. You can pick your bargains there any day. Why do you bother with this fellow who spurns you?...

Does not then that notorious neighborhood put us on the scent? Does public rumour, does Baiae itself say nothing? Yes, Baiae does not merely talk, but even cries aloud that there is one woman whose amorous passions are so degraded that, far from seeking privacy and darkness and the usual screens for vice, she revels in her degraded lusts amid the most open publicity and in the broadest daylight...

Imagine a woman with no husband who turns her house into a house of assignation, openly behaves like a harlot, entertains at her table men who are perfect strangers, and does all this in town, in her suburban places, and in the crowded vacation land around Baiae; in fine, imagine that her walk, her way of dressing, the company she keeps, her burning glances, her free speech, to say nothing of her embraces and kisses or her capers at beach-parties and banquets and yachting-parties, are all so suggestive that she seems not merely a whore but a particularly shameless and forward specimen of the profession.

Point is, take what they say about Elagabalus with a grain of salt. Was he a horrible emperor who professed an exotic religion antithetical to Roman values? Totally. Did he do weird stuff? Probably. Was he a transvestite faggot who liked to get dicked his charioteer? Well, maybe. Was he a transgender? Nah, that concept didn't exist.

If you're interested in what Romans might have thought about gender identity, here's another piece from Catullus 63 about Attis, a guy who castrates himself during a religious frenzy and then realizes "Oh shit, I don't have a dick anymore, what the fuck am I going to do now?"

Over the vast main borne by swift-sailing ship, Attis, as with hasty hurried foot he reached the Phrygian wood and gained the tree-girt gloomy sanctuary of the Goddess, there roused by rabid rage and mind astray, with sharp-edged flint downwards dashed his burden of virility. Then as he felt his limbs were left without their manhood, and the fresh-spilt blood staining the soil, with bloodless hand she hastily took a tambour light to hold, your taborine, Cybele, your initiate rite, and with feeble fingers beating the hollowed bullock's back, she rose up quivering thus to chant to her companions...

But when the sun with radiant eyes from face of gold glanced over the white heavens, the firm soil, and the savage sea, and drove away the glooms of night with his brisk and clamorous team, then sleep fast-flying quickly sped away from wakening Attis, and goddess Pasithea received Somnus in her panting bosom. Then when from quiet rest torn, her delirium over, Attis at once recalled to mind her deed, and with lucid thought saw what she had lost, and where she stood, with heaving heart she backwards traced her steps to the landing-place. There, gazing over the vast main with tear-filled eyes, with saddened voice in tristful soliloquy thus did she lament her land:

“Mother-land, my creatress, mother-land, my begetter, which full sadly I'm forsaking, as runaway serfs do from their lords, to the woods of Ida I have hasted on foot, to stay amid snow and icy dens of beasts, and to wander through their hidden lurking-places full of fury. Where, or in what part, mother-land, may I imagine that you are? My very eyeball craves to fix its glance towards you, while for a brief space my mind is freed from wild ravings. And must I wander over these woods far from my home? From country, goods, friends, and parents, must I be parted? Leave the forum, the palaestra, the race-course, and gymnasium? Wretched, wretched soul, it is yours to grieve for ever and ever. For what shape is there, whose kind I have not worn? I (now a woman), I a man, a stripling, and a lad; I was the gymnasium's flower, I was the pride of the oiled wrestlers: my gates, my friendly threshold, were crowded, my home was decked with floral garlands, when I used to leave my couch at sunrise. Now will I live a ministrant of gods and slave to Cybele? I a Maenad, I a part of me, I a sterile trunk! Must I range over the snow-clad spots of verdurous Ida, and wear out my life beneath lofty Phrygian peaks, where stay the sylvan-seeking stag and woodland-wandering boar? Now, now, I grieve the deed I've done; now, now, do I repent!”

Attis is the closest to an explicit troon you're going to find in Roman sources, and even then he realizes he's really fucked himself and won't be able to engage in all the things that once defined his societal role and personhood. The coda of the story is that Cybele doesn't take his whinging well and sends mad animals to kill him. Take from that what you will, but even Romans didn't think you could just become a woman if you were once a man. If anything, you were locked in some weird in-between position forever.

Okay, Roman sperging over. You can go back to Nazi talk.
 
Syaoran Li said:
The LGB should have never let the T into their ranks.

Even as a pragmatic move, it backfired on them harder than anything. Especially after same-sex marriage was finally legalized federally and the activism-industrial complex needed to keep their gravy train rolling.

LGB should really kick out the T and the Q.

The issue now isn't the LGB, it's entirely the TQ and the Marxists who support them as a means to an end. Most of the pro-public degeneracy in the pride parade side is TQ and usually woke Late Millennials and Early Zoomers, while the LGB are either indifferent or against it

The T are snakes in the grass and the Q's are just straight Millennial punks and hipsters who don't want to admit they're straight and want to score points in the Oppression Olympics.
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Yes, many Gay and Lesbian folks are livid over this lunacy. Used to be great discussion on the matter at the rightwingLGBT reddit until it was removed for something the left was asshurt over.
 
Gnostic American said:
Wrong, the SA was broken apart because Hitler wanted the SS with Himmler in charge to take their place. Hitler offered a gesture but Rohm wanted to head the SS and threated a coup if denied, hence the dual that followed. And the other point of Rohm continuing to being too rough in the street after the Nazi party retained power. Rohm de facto admitted in writing that he would, in peacetime be in prison as a criminal John Wayne Gacy. Rohm and his band of Homos put Hitler and Nazi party in power. And no one in the party gave 2 shits that the SA killed and um... antifa for sport in the streets. It was war for survival from their point of view. And the gays in the camps were there for political and criminal reasons. The pink triangle was to humiliate them.

Hitler and Rohm were best friends for years. Either Hitler was gay himself or at least knew that Rohm was as well. And why would they put homosexuals in charge of fighting the civil war if they were so 'homophobic'?
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I dunno, why did they send homosexuals to camps while wearing the Pink Triangle? Why did German society as a whole think homosexuality was disgusting and perverted? Why is it synonymous with Weimer degeneracy?
 
Why are we talking about the lurid proclivities of Weimar Germany in a thread about present-day riots again?
 
Get_your_kicks_with_30-06 said:
The scary unmarked vans have shown up in NYC to whisk the peaceful protesters(tm) away.
Natalie - nypd is out here KIDNAPPING protesters off of the street-1288232816451432453.mp4
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The NYPD are taking credit for this (calling it their "warrant squad") and are getting ratio'd hard. People in the comments are sooooo assmad over this "kidnapping" and don't know that he was released without charges aka snitched. The worst thing that liberals have done is force me to support the cops and the feds whisking people away but goddamn is it funny to see these kids learn that actions have consequences.

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Fuck all y'all nazi/commie/history nonsense. Go take it to some other sperg thread. This thread is about the riots and the insanity of people in America's response to killing a melatonin murderer.


As such looks like God Emperor is removing SOME federal troops from Seattle:



Seattle mayor says federal agents are leaving city

Federal agents that had been deployed to Seattle last week to protect federal buildings from anticipated protests have left the city, Mayor Jenny Durkan (D) said late Tuesday.

"[The Department of Homeland Security] notified me that federal forces deployed to Seattle have demobilized & left," Durkan tweeted. "The President’s actions to target Democratic cities with federal forces is chilling and increased violence in Portland, Seattle & other cities - exactly what the President intended."
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If the Seattle police don't come protect the building it will burn down in less than 24 hours. I wonder if that's the case the federal gov't will submit a bill to the city for rebuilding the facility 100x the value of Portland's idiot gov't "$500/15min" fine of having a fence around the building.


EDIT: Corrected for the wrong city telling the feds they owe them money for protecting federal property.
 
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