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Agreement is finally in Number 10's grasp.

The text that's taken months of officials' blood, sweat and tears has been agreed, at least at a technical level.

Now a paper's being drafted to present to the Cabinet tomorrow ready for the government's hoped-for next step - political approval from Theresa May's team, even though many of them have deep reservations.

Remember in the last 24 hours some of them have been warning privately that what's on the table is just not acceptable, and will never get through Parliament. Some even believe the prime minister ought to walk away.

But the government machine is now cranking into action. With a text ready, their long-planned rollout can begin.
The BBC's chief political correspondent Vicki Young said some ministers had "deep concerns" about the shape of the likely agreement, which critics say could leave the UK trapped in a customs agreement with the EU.

She said they would have to decide whether they could support it, and if not, whether to resign from cabinet.

Leading Brexiteers have already condemned the draft agreement, Boris Johnson saying it would see the UK remain in the customs union and "large parts" of the single market.

He told the BBC it was "utterly unacceptable to anyone who believes in democracy". "Am I going to vote against it. The answer is yes," he added.

And Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said "given the shambolic nature of the negotiations, this is unlikely to be the good deal for the country".

'Failure to deliver'
Both the UK and EU want to schedule a special summit of European leaders at the end of November to sign off the reportedly 500 page withdrawal deal and the much shorter outline declaration of their future relationship.

Brussels has insisted it would only agree to put the wheels in motion for the summit if agreement can be reached on the issue of the Irish border.

Ambassadors from the remaining 27 EU states will meet in Brussels on Wednesday.

If a deal is agreed with the EU, Mrs May then needs to persuade her party - and the rest of Parliament - to support it in a key Commons vote.

Conservative Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg said if details of the text reported by Irish broadcaster RTE were true, the UK would become a "vassal state" with Northern Ireland "being ruled from Dublin".

Such an agreement "failed to deliver on Brexit" and the cabinet should reject it, he told the BBC.

"I think what we know of this deal is deeply unsatisfactory," he said. "There seems to be growing opposition to these very poor proposals."

Meanwhile, following pressure from all sides of the Commons, ministers have agreed to provide MPs with a legal assessment of the implications for the UK of the Irish backstop and other controversial aspects of any deal.

Cabinet Office minister David Lidington said Attorney General Geoffrey Cox would make a statement to MPs and take questions ahead of the final vote on any Brexit deal.

MPs, he said, would get to see "a full reasoned position statement laying out the government's both political and also legal position on the proposed withdrawal agreement".

The Democratic Unionists' Westminster leader Nigel Dodds said he was pleased Parliament had "asserted its will" as it was imperative that all parties to the deal were clear in what way and for how long it would "legally bind" the UK.

Chequers minus it is. Whatever happened to no deal being better than a bad deal.

We should have been far more aggressive in negotiations with Brussels. They all but stated immediately after the referendum that they were going to bumrape us for having the temerity to leave, so we should have told them that unless and until they got serious, we'd basically go full on tax haven mode and steal all their big companies - and funnel money and support to Eurosceptics in Italy, Spain, Greece, Poland, and Hungary.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

The moment the British media died was the death of Diana.

Instead of calmly documenting, or better yet stepping back and laughing at, the mind-boggling mass hysteria at the death of one over-privileged bimbo, the media completely fed into it, and shifted the entire concept of what news is.

Instead of a neutral description of events, potentially followed by a contextualizing of more complex or obscure concepts, most news is now bringing us the uninformed opinions of know-nothing nobody's, the BBC spending license-payer money on telling us what Jennifer from Margate thinks about the budget,

Social-media merely speed-up and simplified the process, meaning they could just scour twitter for idiot hot-takes rather than have to send out a camera crew onto a random high street to get them.

I agree with your social media point which also allows for even journalists to get warped opinions on subjects if they don‘t realise they’re in a echo chamber, like how the Brexit result took them by surprise.

But also with newspapers sites it probably doesn’t help that hot take opinion pieces tend to get more clicks than matter of fact reporting.

 

[Irrelevant]

On my news feed on Android it's become really obvious during the lockdown which stories are from The Guardian simply because of the Buzzfeed like headlines. I don't even need to look to know it's from The Guardian because the tone stands out so much from the rest of my feed.

The only other one I can think of that stands out so much is anything anti-EU from The Express which is an absolute trash tier tabloid.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

The moment the British media died was the death of Diana.

Instead of calmly documenting, or better yet stepping back and laughing at, the mind-boggling mass hysteria at the death of one over-privileged bimbo, the media completely fed into it, and shifted the entire concept of what news is.

Instead of a neutral description of events, potentially followed by a contextualizing of more complex or obscure concepts, most news is now bringing us the uninformed opinions of know-nothing nobody's, the BBC spending license-payer money on telling us what Jennifer from Margate thinks about the budget,

Social-media merely speed-up and simplified the process, meaning they could just scour twitter for idiot hot-takes rather than have to send out a camera crew onto a random high street to get them.

I agree. That, and the Hutton Inquiry, whereupon the BBC was forced to bend the knee to Blairites. Who then proceeded to fill it with their asspatters and now we have the result. A slavishly pro-EU, pro-Labour, pro-uncontrolled mass immigration crock of shite.

"The People's Princess." In a pig's arse she was. She was born into the nobility, married the Prince of Wales, and then had a string of affairs with wealthy men. And then failed to fasten her seatbelt and died in a French tunnel.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

On my news feed on Android it's become really obvious during the lockdown which stories are from The Guardian simply because of the Buzzfeed like headlines. I don't even need to look to know it's from The Guardian because the tone stands out so much from the rest of my feed.

The only other one I can think of that stands out so much is anything anti-EU from The Express which is an absolute trash tier tabloid.

It's a bit cheating but The New European is also very obvious, they are getting quite desperate.

 

[Overly Serious]

I agree. That, and the Hutton Inquiry, whereupon the BBC was forced to bend the knee to Blairites. Who then proceeded to fill it with their asspatters and now we have the result. A slavishly pro-EU, pro-Labour, pro-uncontrolled mass immigration crock of shite.

"The People's Princess." In a pig's arse she was. She was born into the nobility, married the Prince of Wales, and then had a string of affairs with wealthy men. And then failed to fasten her seatbelt and died in a French tunnel.

Whenever anyone talks about Princess Diana, this song comes to mind (it's only one verse but it made an impression...)

 

[Ginger Piglet]

It's a bit cheating but The New European is also very obvious, they are getting quite desperate.

Lord Adonis. Who the fuck's he anyway?

 

[Toshiba]

So after running ongoing Cummings coverage as their headline for 3 days straight the guardian seemingly got the message yesterday and dropped it to cover some niche stories such as, I don't know, riots across America or plans to reopen shops and end the furlough scheme which we've been waiting months for.

Luckily now they're back to the important stuff:

Top of the front page. I had to refresh twice I was so certain it must be from days ago but no, they're really still at it.

I don't mind a bit of gossip but it's really not the time. This isn't fucking Watergate, it's piss-weak point scoring.

 

[Coccxys]

Good olde reddit seems to think a meme taking the piss out of current journalist uselessness is "gatekeeping" journalism. I think we found the issue when a large swath of people online seem to think any attempts at standards is gatekeeping and therefore bad.



Comment section trash fire

 

[Pickle Inspector]

So after running ongoing Cummings coverage as their headline for 3 days straight the guardian seemingly got the message yesterday and dropped it to cover some niche stories such as, I don't know, riots across America or plans to reopen shops and end the furlough scheme which we've been waiting months for.

Luckily now they're back to the important stuff:

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Top of the front page. I had to refresh twice I was so certain it must be from days ago but no, they're really still at it.

I don't mind a bit of gossip but it's really not the time. This isn't fucking Watergate, it's piss-weak point scoring.

I think it might be they are desperate for Dominic Cummings to go because there‘s officially only a month until Britain leaves the EU with no deal and if this Telegraph article is anything to go by (Which was released on May 12th, before the media frenzy about Dominic Cummings):

Engulfed by the pandemic, there are rather bigger fish for everyone to fry than Britain’s future relationship with the EU. Under prior instructions from their political masters, negotiators on both sides of the fence exist in a bubble all of their own, seemingly oblivious to the storm raging outside – yesterday’s battles being fought against the backdrop of a world in transformation.

Past obsessions have been rendered virtually irrelevant by the Covid-19 threat, yet they persist unperturbed amid the confusion of Zoom calls; it is the curse of David Frost and Michel Barnier, the British and EU chief negotiators respectively, to carry on regardless.

A deal to extend the transition in light of the crisis had been all but agreed at official level. The EU was to have spared the UK’s blushes by proposing it, rather than the other way around. This would have allowed the UK government to present the concession as a favour to the EU, rather than a climbdown.

But then Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s chief adviser, returned and the plan, concocted by underlings while he and Boris Johnson were laid out on their sick beds, was scuppered.

Then I think many in goverment and the media see Dominic as the main roadblock stopping at the very least an extension and then a soft Brexit and fully expected him to resign over this.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

Here’s one i’d never thought I’d see but social distancing is now racist.



Just once, just once put your phone down and leave it alone for a while. Hundreds of people showing up in some sympathy protest that will achieve nothing but inflate their own egos further. It’s not gonna bring him back, it’s not gonna stop it from happening again and all you’re doing is pissing off everyone who stays home like they’re told.
The constabulary in general are mongs but their job is hard enough without people gathering together in huge numbers. If the hospitals don’t have enough gear to protect themselves the Metropolitan police and Greater Manchester police certainly won’t.

They would have accomplished more today by staying home and cooking their Sunday dinner.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

So some fun news:

Apparently three of JC's picks for enoblement have been blocked.

Watson for the "Nick" affair which launched the hilarious waste of money Operation Midland.

Bercow for being... Bercow.

And a third one who I can't remember right now.

Oh, and the Government's now hunting out a site for ol Musky to build a Gigafactory in the UK now he's no longer being told to say Brexit is bad, and Germany blocked his European Gigafactory being built.

 

[CWCissey]

So some fun news:

Apparently three of JC's picks for enoblement have been blocked.

Watson for the "Nick" affair which launched the hilarious waste of money Operation Midland.

Bercow for being... Bercow.

And a third one who I can't remember right now.

Oh, and the Government's now hunting out a site for ol Musky to build a Gigafactory in the UK now he's no longer being told to say Brexit is bad, and Germany blocked his European Gigafactory being built.

*Teesside's excitement intensifies*

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

*Teesside's excitement intensifies*

Somerset's Gravity Industrial Estate's been trying to position themselves as a major player for it, but being as Elon's Gigafactory was to be a staggering 741+ acres, the whole industrial park pushing for it is only 650 and has multiple occupants already.

It'd make a lot more sense to stick it somewhere that's mostly wasteland right now, like Teeside and hurl that big manufacturing industry right back to where it belongs.

 

[Clem Fandango]

Bercow for being... Bercow.

Oh that is some sweet sweet schadenfreude

 

[Fareal]

Somerset's Gravity Industrial Estate's been trying to position themselves as a major player for it, but being as Elon's Gigafactory was to be a staggering 741+ acres, the whole industrial park pushing for it is only 650 and has multiple occupants already.

It'd make a lot more sense to stick it somewhere that's mostly wasteland right now, like Teeside and hurl that big manufacturing industry right back to where it belongs.

No, no, no. The new John DeLorean should be incentivised to build his factory where the OG DeLorean was paid to, in Belfast.

 

[TowinKarz]

I think it might be they are desperate for Dominic Cummings to go because there‘s officially only a month until Britain leaves the EU with no deal and if this Telegraph article is anything to go by (Which was released on May 12th, before the media frenzy about Dominic Cummings):


Then I think many in goverment and the media see Dominic as the main roadblock stopping at the very least an extension and then a soft Brexit and fully expected him to resign over this.

Why do they think he's the lynchpin to stopping Brexit? Or do they know he isn't but think if they get him, then Boris is obviously doomed because it's "only fair' that he resign if his number one does? And if Boris goes, all of Brexit resets like it never happened?

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

Why do they think he's the lynchpin to stopping Brexit? Or do they know he isn't but think if they get him, then Boris is obviously doomed because it's "only fair' that he resign if his number one does? And if Boris goes, all of Brexit resets like it never happened?

Well, look back to Teresa May earlier on in her tenure. The first thing the opposition across the floor and within her own party did was go after her advisors. Remove as many sources of support as you can and the foundation of the structure wobbles. Not that her reign didn't have other issues, but it certainly didn't help.

And it's true about the European compromise. This was almost all entirely done behind Boris and his supporter's backs. It was if anything pure chance they were able to intervene in time.

 

[Toshiba]

So some fun news:

Apparently three of JC's picks for enoblement have been blocked.

Watson for the "Nick" affair which launched the hilarious waste of money Operation Midland.

Why the fuck would Corbyn put Watson up for a peerage? The guy constantly undermined him and mobilised Labour MPs to try to get him to step down. He betrayed Corbyn worse than he betrayed the fat pride movement.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Well, look back to Teresa May earlier on in her tenure. The first thing the opposition across the floor and within her own party did was go after her advisors. Remove as many sources of support as you can and the foundation of the structure wobbles. Not that her reign didn't have other issues, but it certainly didn't help.

And it's true about the European compromise. This was almost all entirely done behind Boris and his supporter's backs. It was if anything pure chance they were able to intervene in time.

May's advisors were massive twats who wrote the entire manifesto without anyone consulting. At all. Like no other faction was brought on board to check through the manifesto and go "uh, that policy is going to backfire hilariously, drop it."

May rode sky high in the polls with the distinct possibility of a 100+ majority on the cards right up until the god-awful manifesto dropped which included the policies of a free vote on fox hunting, and putting into law stealing your house to pay for your care home fees after you've popped your clogs. The latter is mostly done by the public anyway but putting it into actual law was utter poison.

Her advisors were blamed and she offered herself to resign several times, but at that point the Europhile cadre of 40 or so MPs grouped around her and promptly protected her for her woeful and powerless tenure, hence so many ministers saying shit and getting no punishment for it despite collective responsibility being enforced by the Cabinet. Even if May'd gone for a softish Brexit, that was scuppered completely down to the near non-brexit we had, and it was only thanks to Farage donning his rusty armour to go campaigning again with The Brexit Party that she was ousted.

Why the fuck would Corbyn put Watson up for a peerage? The guy constantly undermined him and mobilised Labour MPs to try to get him to step down. He betrayed Corbyn worse than he betrayed the fat pride movement.

Because Tommy "Two Dinners" Watson was a good deputy.... somehow. I mean, he wasn't. He sucked and cost the Met millions of pounds because he wanted to stir shit and helped launch the world's largest single libel action thanks to his utterances in Parliament which was repeated by the seals on Twitter a thousand times.

But not offering peerage to him would be itself, scandalous. At least here it's JC's hands nice and clean by being blocked by the independent committee who have the final approval.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Couple of bits this morrow:

First, Piers caught lying.

Tobias would likely run fucking rings around Piers, so was told he can't go on...

Second is a Yougov poll is out, after the Cummings Affair and relentless media barraging all fucking week to the point they look clownish:

Tories 45%

Labour 35%

Lib Dems 6%

Other 14%


So that had.... an effect. I guess?