💊 Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

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I wonder if he's actually a ''male borderline''. Depression, rigid thinking, addiction issues and I can't say this or not but it seems like some unstable family relationships too. Could this have been the issue all along that lead to the breakdown? maybe even what attracted him to psychology in the first place. I've heard people saying he sounds paranoid in certain recorded home videos as well, does anyone know if that's true? I've only seen one video where he went on a weird rant and started to cry in his house, but that was over a patients suicide (apparently).
Idunno any proper terms. But JP has always just came off as very very fragile. he's easily effected emotionally by his and others circumstances, he can become passionate about something very easily, attached, but likewise he seems to be effected by a lot of things in a negative way, which makes him mad/depressed etc.

but I don't want to be an armchair psychologist so take this all with a grain of salt.
 

Anyone still remember the Jordan Peterson bot? Man it was great, sadly it was taken down almost a year ago.
 

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This image was just interesting. Not really worth listening to, though. She's mostly interested in the way Peterson dresses/ presents and analyzing his relationship with his wife with uninteresting takes.


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Anyone still remember the Jordan Peterson bot? Man it was great, sadly it was taken down almost a year ago.

Yeah I remember, Peterson responded to it:

I Didn’t Say That
Something very strange and disturbing happened to me this week. If it was just relevant to me, it wouldn’t be that important (except perhaps to me), and I wouldn’t be writing this column about it. But it’s something that is likely more important and more ominous than we can even imagine.
There are already common fraudulent schemes being perpetrated by both telephone and internet. One know as the “Grandparent Scam” is particularly reprehensible, first because it is perpetrated on elderly people who are, in general, more susceptible to tech-savvy criminals and second because it is based on the manipulation of familial love, trust, and compassion. The criminal running the Grandparent Scam calls or emails the victim, pretending to represent a grandchild who is now in trouble with the law or who needs money for a hospital bill for an injury that can’t be discussed, say, with parents, because of the moral trouble that might ensue. They generally call late at night—say at four in the morning—because that adds to the confusion. The preferred mechanism of money movement is wire transfer—and that’s a warning: don’t transfer money by wire without knowing for certain who is receiving it, because once it’s gone, it’s not coming back.
Now what if it was possible to conduct such a scam using the actual voice of the hypothetical victim? Worse, what if was possible to do so with voice and video image, indistinguishable from the real thing? If we’re not at that point now (and we probably are) we will be within months.
In April of this year, a company called Coding Elite exposed an artificial intelligence (AI) program that to a substantial sample of my voice, which is easily accessible on the YouTube lectures and podcasts that I have posted over the last years. In consequence, they were able to duplicate my manner of speaking with exceptional precision, starting out by producing versions of me rapping Eminem songs such as Lose Yourself (which has now garnered 250,000 views) and Rap God (which has only garnered 17,000) as well as Rock Lobster (1400 views). They have done something similar with Bernie Sanders (singing Dancing Queen), Donald Trump (Sweet Dreams) and Ben Shapiro, who also delivered Rap God. The company has a model, the address of which you can find on their YouTube channel, which allows the use to make Trump, Obama, Clinton or Sanders say anything whatsoever.
I happen to think Rap God is an amazing piece of work, and when I first encountered my verbal avatar belting out the lyrics I thought that it was cool, in a teenage tech-geek sort of way. And I suppose it was. This caused quite a stir on the net in April, with media companies such as Forbes and Motherboard (a division of Vice) noting that the machine learning technology only required six hours of original audio (that is, actually generated by me) to produce its credible fakes, matching rhythm, stress, sound and prose intonation.
This week, however, a company called notjordanpeterson.com put an AI engine online that allows anyone to type anything and have it reproduced in my voice. It’s hard to get access to or use the site, at the moment, presumably because it is currently attracting more traffic than its servers can handle. [NOTE: As of August 23, this website posted the following announcement: In light of Dr. Peterson’s response to the technology demonstrated by this site, which you can read here, and out of respect for Dr. Peterson, the functionality of the site will be disabled for the time being.]
A variety of sites that pass themselves off as news portals—and sometimes are—have either reported this story straight (Sputnik News) or had a field day (Gizmodo) having me read, for example, the SCUM manifesto (hypothetically an acronym for Society for Cutting Up Men), a radical feminist rant by Valerie Solanos published in 1967. Solanos, by the way, later shot the artist Andy Warhol, an act, driven by her developing paranoia. He was seriously wounded, requiring a surgical corset to hold his organs in place for the rest of his life. TNW takes a middle path, reporting the facts of the situation with little bias but using the system to have me voice very vulgar phrases.
Some of you might know—and those of you who don’t should—that similar technology has also been developed for video. This was reported, for example, by BBC, as far back in July of 2017, who broadcast a speech delivered by an AI Obama, that was essentially indistinguishable from the real thing. Similar technology has been used, equally notoriously, to superimpose the faces of famous actresses on porn stars, while they perform their various sexual exploits (you can find this story covered, for example, on The Verge, Jan 24, 2018). Movies have also been reshot so that the main actor is transformed from someone unknown to someone with real box office draw. This has happened, for example, to Nicolas Cage, primarily on a YouTube site known as Derpfakes, a play on the phrase “Deep Fakes,” which is what the video recordings created fraudulently by AI have come to be known. More recently Ctrl Shift Face, a YouTube channel, posted a video showing Bill Hader transforming very subtly into Tom Cruise as he performs an impression of the latter on Dave Letterman’s show. It’s picked up four million views in a week. It’s important to note, by the way, that this ability is available to amateurs. I don’t mean people with no tech knowledge whatsoever, obviously—more that the electronic machinery that makes such things possible will soon be within the reach of everyone.
It’s hard to imagine a technology with more power to disrupt. I’m already in the position (as many of you soon will be as well) where anyone can produce a believable audio and perhaps video of me saying absolutely anything they want me to say. How can that possible be fought? More to the point: how are we going to trust anything electronically-mediated in the very near future (say, during the next Presidential election)? We’re already concerned, rightly or wrongly, with “fake news”—and that’s only news that has been slanted, arguably, by the bias of the reporter or editor or news organization. What do we do when “fake news” is just as real as “real news”? What do we do when anyone can imitate anyone else, for any reason that suits them?
And what of the legality of this process? It seems to me that active and aware lawmakers would take immediate steps to make the unauthorized production of AI Deep Fakes a felony offense, at least in the case where the fake is being used to defame, damage or deceive. And it seems to be that we should perhaps throw caution to the wind, and make this an exceptionally wide-ranging law. We need to seriously consider the idea that someone’s voice is an integral part of their identity, of their reality, of their person—and that stealing that voice is a genuinely criminal act, regardless (perhaps) of intent. What’s the alternative? Are we entering a future where the only credible source of information will be direct personal contact? What’s that going to do to mass media, of all types? Why should we not assume that the noise to signal ratio will creep so high that all political and economic information disseminated broadly will be rendered completely untrustworthy?
I can tell you from personal experience, for what that’s worth, that it is far from comforting to discover an entire website devoted to allowing whoever is inspired to do so produce audio clips imitating my voice delivering whatever content the user chooses—for serious, comic or malevolent purposes. I can’t imagine what the world will be like when we will truly be unable to distinguish the real from the unreal, or exercise any control whatsoever on what videos reveal about behaviors we never engaged in, or audio avatars broadcasting any opinion at all about anything at all. I see no defense, and a tremendously expanded opportunity for unscrupulous troublemakers to warp our personal and collective reality in any manner they see fit.
Wake up. The sanctity of your voice, and your image, is at serious risk. It’s hard to imagine a more serious challenge to the sense of shared, reliable reality that keeps us linked together in relative peace. The Deep Fake artists need to be stopped, using whatever legal means are necessary, as soon as possible.

 
I wonder if he's actually a ''male borderline''. Depression, rigid thinking, addiction issues and I can't say this or not but it seems like some unstable family relationships too. Could this have been the issue all along that lead to the breakdown? maybe even what attracted him to psychology in the first place. I've heard people saying he sounds paranoid in certain recorded home videos as well, does anyone know if that's true? I've only seen one video where he went on a weird rant and started to cry in his house, but that was over a patients suicide (apparently).

He seems to have psychological problems, but he doesn't seem borderline to me. I know I shouldn't say this, but men with borderline personality disorder can be downright scary. If he were borderline, he wouldn't cry over things so much as launch into horrifying rages.
 
He seems to have psychological problems, but he doesn't seem borderline to me. I know I shouldn't say this, but men with borderline personality disorder can be downright scary. If he were borderline, he wouldn't cry over things so much as launch into horrifying rages.

We don't know if he did have rages. Only his wife, daughter and colleagues know what he's really like. He's in a decrepit state now, but he could have been different years ago and more prone to flying off the handle.
 
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This image was just interesting. Not really worth listening to, though. She's mostly interested in the way Peterson dresses/ presents and analyzing his relationship with his wife with uninteresting takes.




Yeah I remember, Peterson responded to it:



This image is unsettling. Is this person a woman or a man? I have no idea. Weird makeup and weird vibes.
 
Peterson was obviously a very depressed individual. I don't think he was a grifter and I've posted at length about him in this thread ages ago but I will just say that the dude seemed very emotionally fragile and I think the blowback for his hardline stance against the woke college administration hurt him quite a lot. He wouldn't admit to it because he doesn't want to let his enemies see that all of it worked, to avoid emboldening them.

I'm not really a fan of him as a thinker for reasons I've expounded at length much earlier in this thread. But he's one of the cows I respect as human being even if I think he's frequently a muddled thinker outside of his expertise in research psychology.
 
Out of curiosity I looked at the recommended book list by JBP. What is truly missing on this list is Julius Evola "Revolt against the Modern World".

Peterson was obviously a very depressed individual. I don't think he was a grifter and I've posted at length about him in this thread ages ago but I will just say that the dude seemed very emotionally fragile and I think the blowback for his hardline stance against the woke college administration hurt him quite a lot. He wouldn't admit to it because he doesn't want to let his enemies see that all of it worked, to avoid emboldening them.

Speaking of Evola, we definitely do live in Kali Yuga already, we are past all the harbingers ;)
 
Peterson was obviously a very depressed individual. I don't think he was a grifter and I've posted at length about him in this thread ages ago but I will just say that the dude seemed very emotionally fragile and I think the blowback for his hardline stance against the woke college administration hurt him quite a lot. He wouldn't admit to it because he doesn't want to let his enemies see that all of it worked, to avoid emboldening them.

I'm not really a fan of him as a thinker for reasons I've expounded at length much earlier in this thread. But he's one of the cows I respect as human being even if I think he's frequently a muddled thinker outside of his expertise in research psychology.
It was obvious that his SRIs were what was holding him up through each debate, conflict, and "scandal". Even with his wealth of knowledge and his practice in lecturing and early media appearances, I don't think anybody under normal circumstances would have been able to have withstood the onslaught of baseless shit being thrown at you by the rabid SJWs in every media outlet, street corner (they were hanging posters up around his house) and even the freaking CBC reporting on you as a literally racist nazi transphobe ect... They even went into his classroom, his place of work, and yelled and screamed at him, demanding his job. And he still withstood it.
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It doesn't matter who you are in my opinion, at a certain point you're going to burn the fuck out from that HARD, and if you dip into the SRIs at least you can butrice yourself against it for a much longer length of time, deal with the insanity, and then pull the fuck back.

I think he handled it all nearly perfectly, considering the circumstances, and I think he deserves to get the fuck out of the limelight now, and should probably just publish a book or two from the shadows and let the example he set work its magic.

He clearly aged substantially from the whole ordeal. And of course the shit with his wife is really the last straw.

I just want him to sit back and relax now. He's had enough bullshit for several lifetimes.
 
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It was obvious that his SRIs were what was holding him up through each debate, conflict, and "scandal". Even with his wealth of knowledge and his practice in lecturing and early media appearances, I don't think anybody under normal circumstances would have been able to have withstood the onslaught of baseless shit being thrown at you by the rabid SJWs in every media outlet, street corner (they were hanging posters up around his house) and even the freaking CBC reporting on you as a literally racist nazi transphobe ect... They even went into his classroom, his place of work, and yelled and screamed at him, demanding his job. And he still withstood it.
It doesn't matter who you are in my opinion, at a certain point you're going to burn the fuck out from that HARD, and if you dip into the SRIs at least you can butrice yourself against it for a much longer length of time, deal with the insanity, and then pull the fuck back.

I think he handled it all nearly perfectly, considering the circumstances, and I think he deserves to get the fuck out of the limelight now, and should probably just publish a book or two from the shadows and let the example he set work its magic.

He clearly aged substantially from the whole ordeal. And of course the shit with his wife is really the last straw.

I just want him to sit back and relax now. He's had enough bullshit for several lifetimes.

I am sorry, but do we really live in such a pussified times that "nobody" can withstand "onslaught of stupid shit" that consist mainly of overgrown children screaming?

I don't know, should we really hold the standards for public figures so low?

It's not like he had to fight with men with spears or swords charging at him in full armor.
 
Idunno any proper terms. But JP has always just came off as very very fragile. he's easily effected emotionally by his and others circumstances, he can become passionate about something very easily, attached, but likewise he seems to be effected by a lot of things in a negative way, which makes him mad/depressed etc.

but I don't want to be an armchair psychologist so take this all with a grain of salt.

Peterson IS the feminine agent of chaos he was ranting about. He was projecting hard.

I just want him to sit back and relax now.

Lobster man is a vegetable. There is nothing else he can do anyway.
 
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I am sorry, but do we really live in such a pussified times that "nobody" can withstand "onslaught of stupid shit" that consist mainly of overgrown children screaming?

I don't know, should we really hold the standards for public figures so low?

It's not like he had to fight with men with spears or swords charging at him in full armor.
It was CBC (a crown corporation funded by the government and taxpayer money) calling him Alt-Right during a time when Alt-Right was taken seriously, all the Leftist interviewers trying to catch him in a gotcha (kathy griffin, GQ bitch, Vice.. ect), all the faculty at the U of T, the endless trove of Facebookers and Tumbler/Instagrammers... ect. The endless debates with people like Sam Harris (which I enjoyed btw), the endless interviews with the less well known leftists, people meandering around his home putting up weird ass posters, into his classroom. On and on. It was basically from everywhere. The dude literally couldn't walk down the street without people recognizing him.

It doesn't matter how intelligent you are, how clearly right you are, at some point you body and mind is going to run out of energy, and then you don't have the strength to deal with it. You have to crash at some point. You can't keep running around everywhere doing this shit, especially at his age.

Maybe to some extent you're right though. There are definitely a lot of youtube personalities and the like who literally build a career on being attacked by people and fending them off.

I guess I just see a separation between somebody who is purposely going out there to stir up shit to gain notoriety (like a Milo type character), vs somebody who's essentially telling you the sky is blue ("get yourself together", "there are not 100+ genders").

There's something almost nightmarish to me about the prospect of standing up in front of a rabid crowd of people who are nearly ready to attack you for saying that there are only 2 genders and you should clean your room up. And he dealt with that shit for years, practically never losing stride.

I thought it was rather impressive.
 
It was CBC (a crown corporation funded by the government and taxpayer money) calling him Alt-Right during a time when Alt-Right was taken seriously, all the Leftist interviewers trying to catch him in a gotcha (kathy griffin, GQ bitch, Vice.. ect), all the faculty at the U of T, the endless trove of Facebookers and Tumbler/Instagrammers... ect. The endless debates with people like Sam Harris (which I enjoyed btw), the endless interviews with the less well known leftists, people meandering around his home putting up weird ass posters, into his classroom. On and on. It was basically from everywhere. The dude literally couldn't walk down the street without people recognizing him.

It doesn't matter how intelligent you are, how clearly right you are, at some point you body and mind is going to run out of energy, and then you don't have the strength to deal with it. You have to crash at some point. You can't keep running around everywhere doing this shit, especially at his age.

Maybe to some extent you're right though. There are definitely a lot of youtube personalities and the like who literally build a career on being attacked by people and fending them off.

I guess I just see a separation between somebody who is purposely going out there to stir up shit to gain notoriety (like a Milo type character), vs somebody who's essentially telling you the sky is blue ("get yourself together", "there are not 100+ genders").

There's something almost nightmarish to me about the prospect of standing up in front of a rabid crowd of people who are nearly ready to attack you for saying that there are only 2 genders and you should clean your room up. And he dealt with that shit for years, practically never losing stride.

I thought it was rather impressive.

At some point, Peterson realized he was getting famous and decided to play it up and go along for the ride. He didn't bumble his way through fame, not knowing what he was doing. He was fully cognizant that he was making cash off what he said.

Peterson was not just telling people to clean their rooms. He was also telling people that Disney films are the same thing as mythology and giving long descriptions of lobster hierarchies without mentioning the piddling. I mean, read the shit he gave in an interview about witches and swamps. He says it makes sense and yet he never explains why.
 
At some point, Peterson realized he was getting famous and decided to play it up and go along for the ride. He didn't bumble his way through fame, not knowing what he was doing. He was fully cognizant that he was making cash off what he said.
Yeah I totally agree. He had several appearances on Television long before shit hit the fan. He was clearly trying to have a large media presence. That's not exactly a fault in my eyes though. There's nothing wrong with having drive and ambition, and I think if you try to color that otherwise you start to fall into the same traps the SJW's do. That anybody trying to make a profit is suspect, and we know this isn't the case.

Peterson was not just telling people to clean their rooms. He was also telling people that Disney films are the same thing as mythology and giving long descriptions of lobster hierarchies without mentioning the piddling. I mean, read the shit he gave in an interview about witches and swamps. He says it makes sense and yet he never explains why.
Just about every story is based on mythology to some extent, hero with a thousand faces ect. There's nothing wrong with pointing that out in his Maps of Meaning lectures, to help students recognize the meta lineage of narrative. It's an entry into Jungian thinking. Lobster hierarchy was just a simple way to demonstrate the dopaminergic structure present in lifeforms. I never read anything about the witches and swamps shit so idk

But either way, my only point is everyone burns out eventually.
 
But either way, my only point is everyone burns out eventually.

Everyone burns out eventually only if they take too much on themselves without recognizing their own limits. One of the textbook features of narcissism is inability to acknowledge and honor the limits of your strength, intelligence, resilience etc. And as I said before: with his knowledge he should be well aware that benzos will not give him more strength.
 
Just about every story is based on mythology to some extent, hero with a thousand faces ect. There's nothing wrong with pointing that out in his Maps of Meaning lectures, to help students recognize the meta lineage of narrative. It's an entry into Jungian thinking. Lobster hierarchy was just a simple way to demonstrate the dopaminergic structure present in lifeforms. I never read anything about the witches and swamps shit so idk

But either way, my only point is everyone burns out eventually.

You should use actual fairy tales and myths for these things, though, not Disney films. A Disney film is fairy tale and myth filtered through whatever the company wanted to say in their version.

As for the witches and swamps shit, he claimed it makes sense for a witch to live in a swamp and never explained why. (Especially since I can't recall any fairy tales in which a witch lives in a swamp.)
 
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