🦊 Furry Furry Convention Drama - Because you can't have a couple thousand dog fucking enthusiasts under the same roof without shit hitting the fan

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I was spitballing based on the fact that involuntary urination/defecation is a huge component of babyfur fetishism, to the point that I've seen stuff where people were trying to figure out ways to deliberately make themselves incontinent.
I thought involuntary evacuation would only happen with full unconsciousness? I know that the sphincters relax after death, and so those shootout aftermath scenes in action movies should be a lot stinkier than they seem, but (despite how good it would be for humanity in general) that's not really something babyfurs would be aiming for most of the time.

Re-reading that paragraph, I realize once again just how fucking weird dicussions can get when it comes to furries.
 
I thought involuntary evacuation would only happen with full unconsciousness? I know that the sphincters relax after death, and so those shootout aftermath scenes in action movies should be a lot stinkier than they seem, but (despite how good it would be for humanity in general) that's not really something babyfurs would be aiming for most of the time.

Re-reading that paragraph, I realize once again just how fucking weird dicussions can get when it comes to furries.
I was thinking more along the lines of "shitting yourself in mortal terror."
 
I thought involuntary evacuation would only happen with full unconsciousness? I know that the sphincters relax after death, and so those shootout aftermath scenes in action movies should be a lot stinkier than they seem, but (despite how good it would be for humanity in general) that's not really something babyfurs would be aiming for most of the time.

Re-reading that paragraph, I realize once again just how fucking weird dicussions can get when it comes to furries.
Not nessecarily. There were a couple horrifying posts in the DD/lg and ABDL community threads about people making themselves incontinent for their fetish only to realize later once they got out of the kink scene that this was actually a problem that they no longer knew how to solve.

Don't fix what ain't broke, I guess. Or in this case, don't broke what ain't fix?
 
Not nessecarily. There were a couple horrifying posts in the DD/lg and ABDL community threads about people making themselves incontinent for their fetish only to realize later once they got out of the kink scene that this was actually a problem that they no longer knew how to solve.

Don't fix what ain't broke, I guess. Or in this case, don't broke what ain't fix?
Don't worry, I've seen the horror stories. I was referring specifically to any possible connection between autoerotic asphyxiation and shitting oneself, with regards to what babyfurs would be into.

... Jesus Christ, there's another sentence I never thought I'd write.
 
Not nessecarily. There were a couple horrifying posts in the DD/lg and ABDL community threads about people making themselves incontinent for their fetish only to realize later once they got out of the kink scene that this was actually a problem that they no longer knew how to solve.
This is not a sentence I was expecting to read today and I hate it
 
If you're wondering why furries tolerate all this shit in their midst, it's because they've thoroughly bought into the Five Geek Social Fallacies. An oldie (2003) but a goodie.

Five Geek Social Fallacies
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Within the constellation of allied hobbies and subcultures collectively known as geekdom, one finds many social groups bent under a crushing burden of dysfunction, social drama, and general interpersonal wack-ness. It is my opinion that many of these never-ending crises are sparked off by an assortment of pernicious social fallacies -- ideas about human interaction which spur their holders to do terrible and stupid things to themselves and to each other.

Social fallacies are particularly insidious because they tend to be exaggerated versions of notions that are themselves entirely reasonable and unobjectionable. It's difficult to debunk the pathological fallacy without seeming to argue against its reasonable form; therefore, once it establishes itself, a social fallacy is extremely difficult to dislodge. It's my hope that drawing attention to some of them may be a step in the right direction.

I want to note that I'm not trying to say that every geek subscribes to every one of the fallacies I outline here; every individual subscribes to a different set of ideas, and adheres to any given idea with a different amount of zeal.

In any event, here are five geek social fallacies I've identified. There are likely more.
Geek Social Fallacy #1: Ostracizers Are Evil
GSF1 is one of the most common fallacies, and one of the most deeply held. Many geeks have had horrible, humiliating, and formative experiences with ostracism, and the notion of being on the other side of the transaction is repugnant to them.

In its non-pathological form, GSF1 is benign, and even commendable: it is long past time we all grew up and stopped with the junior high popularity games. However, in its pathological form, GSF1 prevents its carrier from participating in -- or tolerating -- the exclusion of anyone from anything, be it a party, a comic book store, or a web forum, and no matter how obnoxious, offensive, or aromatic the prospective excludee may be.

As a result, nearly every geek social group of significant size has at least one member that 80% of the members hate, and the remaining 20% merely tolerate. If GSF1 exists in sufficient concentration -- and it usually does -- it is impossible to expel a person who actively detracts from every social event. GSF1 protocol permits you not to invite someone you don't like to a given event, but if someone spills the beans and our hypothetical Cat Piss Man invites himself, there is no recourse. You must put up with him, or you will be an Evil Ostracizer and might as well go out for the football team.

This phenomenon has a number of unpleasant consequences. For one thing, it actively hinders the wider acceptance of geek-related activities: I don't know that RPGs and comics would be more popular if there were fewer trolls who smell of cheese hassling the new blood, but I'm sure it couldn't hurt. For another, when nothing smacking of social selectiveness can be discussed in public, people inevitably begin to organize activities in secret. These conspiracies often lead to more problems down the line, and the end result is as juvenile as anything a seventh-grader ever dreamed of.
Geek Social Fallacy #2: Friends Accept Me As I Am
The origins of GSF2 are closely allied to the origins of GSF1. After being victimized by social exclusion, many geeks experience their "tribe" as a non-judgmental haven where they can take refuge from the cruel world outside.

This seems straightforward and reasonable. It's important for people to have a space where they feel safe and accepted. Ideally, everyone's social group would be a safe haven. When people who rely too heavily upon that refuge feel insecure in that haven, however, a commendable ideal mutates into its pathological form, GSF2.

Carriers of GSF2 believe that since a friend accepts them as they are, anyone who criticizes them is not their friend. Thus, they can't take criticism from friends -- criticism is experienced as a treacherous betrayal of the friendship, no matter how inappropriate the criticized behavior may be.

Conversely, most carriers will never criticize a friend under any circumstances; the duty to be supportive trumps any impulse to point out unacceptable behavior.

GSF2 has extensive consequences within a group. Its presence in substantial quantity within a social group vastly increases the group's conflict-averseness. People spend hours debating how to deal with conflicts, because they know (or sometimes merely fear) that the other person involved is a GSF2 carrier, and any attempt to confront them directly will only make things worse. As a result, people let grudges brew much longer than is healthy, and they spend absurd amounts of time deconstructing their interpersonal dramas in search of a back way out of a dilemma.

Ironically, GSF2 carriers often take criticism from coworkers, supervisors, and mentors quite well; those individuals aren't friends, and aren't expected to accept the carrier unconditionally.
Geek Social Fallacy #3: Friendship Before All
Valuing friendships is a fine and worthy thing. When taken to an unhealthy extreme, however, GSF3 can manifest itself.

Like GSF2, GSF3 is a "friendship test" fallacy: in this case, the carrier believes that any failure by a friend to put the interests of the friendship above all else means that they aren't really a friend at all. It should be obvious that there are a million ways that this can be a problem for the carrier's friends, but the most common one is a situation where friends' interests conflict -- if, for example, one friend asks you to keep a secret from another friend. If both friends are GSF3 carriers, you're screwed -- the first one will feel betrayed if you reveal the secret, and the other will feel betrayed if you don't. Your only hope is to keep the second friend from finding out, which is difficult if the secret in question was a party that a lot of people went to.

GSF3 can be costly for the carrier as well. They often sacrifice work, family, and romantic obligations at the altar of friendship. In the end, the carrier has a great circle of friends, but not a lot else to show for their life. This is one reason why so many geek circles include people whose sole redeeming quality is loyalty: it's hard not to honor someone who goes to such lengths to be there for a friend, however destructive they may be in other respects.

Individual carriers sometimes have exceptions to GSF3, which allow friends to place a certain protected class of people or things above friendship in a pinch: "significant others" is a common protected class, as is "work".
Geek Social Fallacy #4: Friendship Is Transitive
Every carrier of GSF4 has, at some point, said:

"Wouldn't it be great to get all my groups of friends into one place for one big happy party?!"

If you groaned at that last paragraph, you may be a recovering GSF4 carrier.

GSF4 is the belief that any two of your friends ought to be friends with each other, and if they're not, something is Very Wrong.

The milder form of GSF4 merely prevents the carrier from perceiving evidence to contradict it; a carrier will refuse to comprehend that two of their friends (or two groups of friends) don't much care for each other, and will continue to try to bring them together at social events. They may even maintain that a full-scale vendetta is just a misunderstanding between friends that could easily be resolved if the principals would just sit down to talk it out.

A more serious form of GSF4 becomes another "friendship test" fallacy: if you have a friend A, and a friend B, but A & B are not friends, then one of them must not really be your friend at all. It is surprisingly common for a carrier, when faced with two friends who don't get along, to simply drop one of them.

On the other side of the equation, a carrier who doesn't like a friend of a friend will often get very passive-aggressive and covertly hostile to the friend of a friend, while vigorously maintaining that we're one big happy family and everyone is friends.

GSF4 can also lead carriers to make inappropriate requests of people they barely know -- asking a friend's roommate's ex if they can crash on their couch, asking a college acquaintance from eight years ago for a letter of recommendation at their workplace, and so on. If something is appropriate to ask of a friend, it's appropriate to ask of a friend of a friend.

Arguably, Friendster was designed by a GSF4 carrier.
Geek Social Fallacy #5: Friends Do Everything Together
GSF5, put simply, maintains that every friend in a circle should be included in every activity to the full extent possible. This is subtly different from GSF1; GSF1 requires that no one, friend or not, be excluded, while GSF5 requires that every friend be invited. This means that to a GSF5 carrier, not being invited to something is intrinsically a snub, and will be responded to as such.

This is perhaps the least destructive of the five, being at worst inconvenient. In a small circle, this is incestuous but basically harmless. In larger groups, it can make certain social events very difficult: parties which are way too large for their spaces and restaurant expeditions that include twenty people and no reservation are far from unusual.

When everyone in a group is a GSF5 carrier, this isn't really a problem. If, however, there are members who aren't carriers, they may want occasionally to have smaller outings, and these can be hard to arrange without causing hurt feelings and social drama. It's hard to explain to a GSF5 carrier that just because you only wanted to have dinner with five other people tonight, it doesn't mean that your friendship is in terrible danger.

For some reason, many GSF5 carriers are willing to make an exception for gender-segregated events. I don't know why.
Interactions
Each fallacy has its own set of unfortunate consequences, but frequently they become worse in interaction. GSF4 often develops into its more extreme form when paired with GSF5; if everyone does everything together, it's much harder to maintain two friends who don't get along. One will usually fall by the wayside.

Similarly, GSF1 and GSF5 can combine regrettably: when a failure to invite someone is equivalent to excluding them, you can't even get away with not inviting Captain Halitosis along on the road trip. GSF3 can combine disastrously with the other "friendship test" fallacies; carriers may insist that their friends join them in snubbing someone who fails the test, which occasionally leads to a chain reaction which causes the carrier to eventually reject all of their friends. This is not healthy; fortunately, severe versions of GSF3 are rare.
Consequences
Dealing with the effects of social fallacies is an essential part of managing one's social life among geeks, and this is much easier when one is aware of them and can identify which of your friends carry which fallacies. In the absence of this kind of awareness, three situations tend to arise when people come into contact with fallacies they don't hold themselves.

Most common is simple conflict and hurt feelings. It's hard for people to talk through these conflicts because they usually stem from fairly primal value clashes; a GSF3 carrier may not even be able to articulate why it was such a big deal that their non-carrier friend blew off their movie night.

Alternately, people often take on fallacies that are dominant in their social circle. If you join a group of GSF5 carriers, doing everything together is going to become a habit; if you spend enough time around GSF1 carriers, putting up with trolls is going to seem normal.

Less commonly, people form a sort of counter-fallacy which I call "Your Feelings, Your Problem". YFYP carriers deal with other people's fallacies by ignoring them entirely, in the process acquiring a reputation for being charmingly tactless. Carriers tend to receive a sort of exemption from the usual standards: "that's just Dana", and so on. YFYP has its own problems, but if you would rather be an asshole than angstful, it may be the way to go. It's also remarkably easy to pull off in a GSF1-rich environment.
What Can I Do?
As I've said, I think that the best way to deal with social fallacies is to be aware of them, in yourself and in others. In yourself, you can try to deal with them; in others, understanding their behavior usually makes it less aggravating.

Social fallacies don't make someone a bad person; on the contrary, they usually spring from the purest motives. But I believe they are worth deconstructing; in the long run, social fallacies cost a lot of stress and drama, to no real benefit. You can be tolerant without being indiscriminate, and you can be loyal to friends without being compulsive about it.
Hey, Are You Talking About Me?
If I know you, yeah, probably I am. It doesn't mean I don't love you; most of us carry a few fallacies. Myself, I struggle with GSF 1 and 2, and I used to have a bad case of 4 until a series of disastrous parties dispelled it.
I haven't used any examples that refer to specific situations, if it has you worried. Any resemblances to geeks living or dead are coincidental.
 
I think nowadays even furries realize that fracturing an existing convention is a bad idea. So a lot of them just "go with it" for the sake of just being convention staff at all at the end of the day. I don't get the allure (I wouldn't volunteer to be staff in any convention, much less a furry one) but these guys seem to get a kick out of it. Maybe they get some perks we're not aware of.
I'm going to base this mostly on Furpocalypse because I have a modicum of behind the scenes knowledge about it. Staff and volunteers aren't really the same thing, even though both are voluntary. Staff are in charge of setting things up st the start, making sure all the events run smoothly, and tearing things down at the end, while volunteers are basically just enlisted to do bitch work for the people on staff.

Staff might get in free every year. They might be able to register before any attendees do. The directors might get in free and everyone else on staff either can register early or have to register with everyone else. I don't know so don't quote me on that. I do know staff picks up their registration stuff before anyone else, get their names in the con book, get a communal room to crash in if they need to, and are allowed into the super sponsor dinner on Friday night. As for why, I've seen 3 kinds of people. There are the furries in their late 20s and beyond who genuinely care about the convention and want to see it run smoothly. Think of them as like an old head from the local punk scene who lets all the younger guys have shows in his basement because he still wants to be part of the scene. Then there are the people who got on staff because of friends and use it as an opportunity to hang out with people they only see a couple times a year. Then there's the people who treat the fandom like a giant dick measuring contest and get on staff for clout and to act like they're important.

At least at Furpocalypse if you volunteer for 8 hours you get a free con shirt (costs around $25) and if you volunteer for 12 hours you get free basic registration ($50) on top of the con shirt, and the vast majority of people who volunteer do it for the free swag. There are also a lot of people who are going to a convention for the first time, don't really know anyone, and use volunteering as a way to meet people and make friends. I know a couple people who became the second kind of con staffer I mentioned because they made friends with other staff members this way. And of course, there are the dick measuring contest furries, who either use volunteering in and of itself as a way to act like they're better than other furries, or volunteer every year to weasel their way into becoming the third type of con staffer.
 
get a communal room to crash in if they need to
For fuck's sake, it is hard to not PL in this goddamn topic, but I know for a fact that that is bullshit.
As for why, I've seen 3 kinds of people. There are the furries in their late 20s and beyond who genuinely care about the convention and want to see it run smoothly. Think of them as like an old head from the local punk scene who lets all the younger guys have shows in his basement because he still wants to be part of the scene. Then there are the people who got on staff because of friends and use it as an opportunity to hang out with people they only see a couple times a year. Then there's the people who treat the fandom like a giant dick measuring contest and get on staff for clout and to act like they're important.
There is a definite fourth and it has been covered earlier in the thread. There's the kind that is there because free shit. They will eat the poor staff feed out of their budget. They will do the bare minimum required of them. Their weekend is booze, weed, fuzzy animals, and gibsmedats, all for free. They might even get their room for free.

There used to be a fifth but thankfully it's died out, the Gofundme Grifters. "I need money for rent/food/bills!" conveniently ending a few days before a large furry convention. Which they then attend.
 
The tiger girl getting bullied is kinda depressing. Obviously I'm not a fan at anyone below 17 or 18 going to a furry con for a plethora of reasons but the girl probably just wanted to dress up and have fun with what she probably viewed as the "big kids" and they turned on her. Imagine being like 25 and bullying a 10 year old. At least it *seems* like most of the people and the staff there weren't standing for it.

It is no surprise that kids see people in fursuits and want to take pictures with them in the same way they do school mascots. Most fursuits are fluffy, "cutesy" dogs and cats in rainbow colors, which is something that attracts kids (generally speaking). Bonus points if its a unicorn. Kids also generally like to dress up and play pretend (like Halloween). Similarly, you can see where junior high-age kids might be attracted to furrydom based on the SFW art they see pop up in Google image searches of the rainbow wolves with emo hair and piercings, especially if they are already the "rawr xd" and "I am so depressed uwu" type.

If the furry community was like the average DND community, with 90% of its members being SFW and primarily into the fandom for getting to dress up and fantasy LARP, and only 10% saw it as a sexual fetish thing, this wouldn't be as much of a problem. But the community is the reverse. It's sad and unfortunate because kids/teens see the flashy rainbow animal people and the "rawr xd" cat art and get sucked into world that has been taken over and run by sex deviants who defend and habor predators and criminals in the name of "tolerance." I remember when I was in high school, I noticed a junior high girl I was in marching band with drawing, and I asked her what it was because I couldn't tell, and it was her fursona. She was probably 14. This was years ago and I hope she got out while she still could.
 
The tiger girl getting bullied is kinda depressing. Obviously I'm not a fan at anyone below 17 or 18 going to a furry con for a plethora of reasons but the girl probably just wanted to dress up and have fun with what she probably viewed as the "big kids" and they turned on her.
A lot of the people that were hating on her were only hating on her because there's a Walmart across the street from the con and it looked like she had wandered in, purchased a Walmart "fursuit" head on the cheap, and walked into the con.

Hoes mad that they dropped $4k on a fursuit and some teen walks in with a $40 head and gets more hugs
 
A lot of the people that were hating on her were only hating on her because there's a Walmart across the street from the con and it looked like she had wandered in, purchased a Walmart "fursuit" head on the cheap, and walked into the con.

Hoes mad that they dropped $4k on a fursuit and some teen walks in with a $40 head and gets more hugs
She wasn't even a teen. She was 11.
Also so what? A lot of people be wandering around in fursuits that were made 6+ years ago and they look exactly the same in regards to quality. They're just mad they didn't have a cheaper and readily available product at the time. Plus are they really going to hate on that kid when you had people like Carpet Samples wondering around?
 
Is this it?
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There was also a 360 degree video of the event recorded by the two in the video.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=u93zWQJ4EPM
The yellow fursuiter Cajun, who walked right by them, he was shocked and upset at the time.


The memes
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There's really no way I can describe this with power-leveling a bit, but I happen to know one of the volunteers for Furpocalypse 2019. Seeing Nadah's writeup on the gross hotel motivated me to ask them about what the fuck was going on with Furpoc. Unfortunately, I can't really post many links to back a lot of this up (they only agreed to share this on the condition of anonymity).

The TL;DR for why Furpoc continued to be hosted at such an awful hotel was due to contracts. Furpoc agreed to be exclusive to that hotel for a specific number of annual events (which seems to be common for a lot of furcons), and they couldn't get out of it without paying a shitload of money to the hotel for terminating it early. Furpoc was also the only remaining contract that the hotel had with any event (furry or otherwise), as most of them had already finished their contracts years ago and opted not to renew.

This certainly seems to line up with a statement the Furpoc Twitter put out (archive), and they already have plans to move to a much nicer hotel for 2020 as soon as the contract ended in 2019. Of course, that's assuming Furpoc 2020 doesn't get cancelled due to COVID, obviously.
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It also turns out a lot of the staff (both con and hotel) were also really mad about a specific video that gained a lot of traction during Furpoc 2019. It consists of some popular furry on tiktok who made a montage of how gross the hotel was. I've embedded the video into the spoiler below:
 
There's really no way I can describe this with power-leveling a bit, but I happen to know one of the volunteers for Furpocalypse 2019. Seeing Nadah's writeup on the gross hotel motivated me to ask them about what the fuck was going on with Furpoc. Unfortunately, I can't really post many links to back a lot of this up (they only agreed to share this on the condition of anonymity).

The TL;DR for why Furpoc continued to be hosted at such an awful hotel was due to contracts. Furpoc agreed to be exclusive to that hotel for a specific number of annual events (which seems to be common for a lot of furcons), and they couldn't get out of it without paying a shitload of money to the hotel for terminating it early. Furpoc was also the only remaining contract that the hotel had with any event (furry or otherwise), as most of them had already finished their contracts years ago and opted not to renew.

This certainly seems to line up with a statement the Furpoc Twitter put out (archive), and they already have plans to move to a much nicer hotel for 2020 as soon as the contract ended in 2019. Of course, that's assuming Furpoc 2020 doesn't get cancelled due to COVID, obviously.
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It also turns out a lot of the staff (both con and hotel) were also really mad about a specific video that gained a lot of traction during Furpoc 2019. It consists of some popular furry on tiktok who made a montage of how gross the hotel was. I've embedded the video into the spoiler below:
I figured most of the Animal Control regulars are current or former furries so I wouldn't have to bring up hotel contracts.

And yeah, I can see why con staff would be mad about that TikTok, though it's not really their fault the hotel said "fuck it" and didn't maintain the place. If anything hotel management should have been embarrassed they let things get that bad. Also, I completely forgot the elevator was broke before we even got there.
 
I figured most of the Animal Control regulars are current or former furries so I wouldn't have to bring up hotel contracts.

And yeah, I can see why con staff would be mad about that TikTok, though it's not really their fault the hotel said "fuck it" and didn't maintain the place. If anything hotel management should have been embarrassed they let things get that bad. Also, I completely forgot the elevator was broke before we even got there.
I assumed but it's nice having the extra details for clarification. Video was a nice touch as well
 
Not nessecarily. There were a couple horrifying posts in the DD/lg and ABDL community threads about people making themselves incontinent for their fetish only to realize later once they got out of the kink scene that this was actually a problem that they no longer knew how to solve.

Don't fix what ain't broke, I guess. Or in this case, don't broke what ain't fix?
Does anyone have screenshots/archives of these posts? I'm morbidly curious as to how these guys broke their assholes.
 
Does anyone have screenshots/archives of these posts? I'm morbidly curious as to how these guys broke their assholes.

It's not so much breaking, but moreso relaxing the muscles. It's the same principle as using the bathroom, you just relax and do your business. In the most extreme cases of some ABDL folks, their muscles has been relaxed for so long that their brain is basically re-wired to have forgotten those muscles exist.

Edit: Went and did a little digging, that pupfag had another video of him romping in public.

 
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It's not so much breaking, but moreso relaxing the muscles. It's the same principle as using the bathroom, you just relax and do your business. In the most extreme cases of some ABDL folks, their muscles has been relaxed for so long that their brain is basically re-wired to have forgotten those muscles exist.

Edit: Went and did a little digging, that pupfag had another video of him romping in public.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vvFzqXdYaSM
Is shame not a thing with kids these days? I don't even like the idea of going out in public wearing pajama pants, and here these two are, dry humping away in a public park wearing full on pup gear.
I can just imagine someone taking their kids out for a nice day at the park, when all of a sudden bam, two dudes dressed like BDSM dogs all over each other like its the most natural thing ever.
 
Is shame not a thing with kids these days? I don't even like the idea of going out in public wearing pajama pants, and here these two are, dry humping away in a public park wearing full on pup gear.
I can just imagine someone taking their kids out for a nice day at the park, when all of a sudden bam, two dudes dressed like BDSM dogs all over each other like its the most natural thing ever.
Shame and public sex are fetishes. Of the few times a lolcow has been booted from the forums, are those people who come into their threads to demean themselves because it gives them a chubby.
 
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