Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
Status
Not open for further replies.
I've been wondering about this. Due to the virus, people are disinfecting just about everything and for how long will it be done. This could cause an increase of antibiotic resistant bacteria that will come back to bite us.
I mean yes and no.

Fortunately/(unfortunately) most bacteria get resistant to specialized anti-boitics, such as penicillin, which have unique ways of getting rid of them (penicillin shoots out a ring which binds to the bacterial membrane and prevents them from dividing & reproducing).
Stuff like alcohol, the active ingredient in hand sanitizer, is just a heavily corrosive acid that dissolves through the cell walls then melts their insides. So some bacteria are becoming "tolerant" of alcohol, but so far no bacteria "resistant" to alcohol have "evolved"*.
Its a really complex sequence of events, but generally in most cases no.
Also washing things with alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, bleach, vinegar, etc. is much better than spraying expensive anti-boitics everywhere when it comes to risk of making resistant germs

*except for the ones that can already survive in strong acids, but they had that ability before people started disinfecting shit
 
Took a shorter walk than usual this morning. Walked through the library's parking lot. Noticed at least twenty cars parked in line. They were waiting for food from the food bank. Saw at least one Lexus, and a shiny new Fiat. Grateful we don't need any food bank food. Way too many need that food these days.
 
Took a shorter walk than usual this morning. Walked through the library's parking lot. Noticed at least twenty cars parked in line. They were waiting for food from the food bank. Saw at least one Lexus, and a shiny new Fiat. Grateful we don't need any food bank food. Way too many need that food these days.
I eat a lot of pasta by default so rice shortages and meat shortages isn't going to hit me hard. I even made a breakfast ravioli this weekend.
 
I've been wondering about this. Due to the virus, people are disinfecting just about everything and for how long will it be done. This could cause an increase of antibiotic resistant bacteria that will come back to bite us.

That isn't too much of a worry because the disinfectant being used isn't antibiotics but instead bleach, alcohol and shit like that. Which mostly act by using electric charges (oxidation) and sheer thermodynamic kinetics to wreck membranes. You can't really built much resistance to being fucked by straight corrosion. I mean. Technically you can but it takes much longer for much lower benefits than with antibiotic resistance.

In the long run I'd say this will actually be great at stopping antibiotic resistant strains, because much like the flu, most of them come from China. And the ones that don't are usually contained. So if it gets people to stop trade with china until their farms follow proper procedure it would quickly erase 90% of resistant strains.

People really don't take into account just how awful chinese sanitation is. Corona is not the worst thing they've unleashed. Not by a lot.

Finally got around to watching Cuomo's conference yesterday where he revived the Norheastern States Consortium to buy medical equipment.

A few other interesting points:
-Some governors spoke, in order of who has most stood with him: NJ, then CT-the mainstays, then PA who is in and out of his alliances, then a couple of the others.

-he keeps bringing up the point that he believes the entire East Coast strain came from Europe, which implies that Trump was ineffective in only banning travel first from 'GYNA and could have done more. Also stops people from being rayciss against Our Chinese Friends in NYC, none of whom surely travelled or immigrated from China in Dec-Feb...

-he does slam globalism pretty harshly, saying his breakaway empire will attempt to buy 'Murican whenever possible and came right out and said it's dumb to be so reliant on China, other countries in general, and may actually be a national security risk. Should cause much reeing on the left

-hammered mask wearing. It is the main effective method, it is your civic duty, it would be good if New Yorkers bullied their fellow citizens about not wearing them ("within the rules of decorum"), and while that is preferred, law enforcement would "have a role"

He's not actually wrong. As you can see in https://nextstrain.org/ EU and africa (more concretely congo) is how corona made its way to most of the US. The asian strains are not that big there.

As for the rest. I hate the guy. But if we can get him to foment burgerland aelf sufficiency and stop chink trade before he gets kicked out all the better. Let's see where he goes with that.

Took a shorter walk than usual this morning. Walked through the library's parking lot. Noticed at least twenty cars parked in line. They were waiting for food from the food bank. Saw at least one Lexus, and a shiny new Fiat. Grateful we don't need any food bank food. Way too many need that food these days.

This economic impact will cause a lot more pain than most seem to think. I was searching for Virginia but I will expand my search for US in general. We can't afford to stand idle on this. Tonight I'll update. But summary is.

3 things need to be assured. Food distribution. Small business creation. And housing aid. Without the second this will become an eternal problem. Without the first people will die. Without the third people won't be in livable conditions. If we can get the gov to act that would certainly be preferrable. Tell them to watch the difference between how spain handled the 2012 crisis and how it is handling this one. They will see the change is stark. They must follow today's method, not 2012s. If they stand idle pain will be inevitable. But point is. Even if they act, root initiatives will greatly help. Again one of the many good things of this crisis is that after 2012 many already were part of such initiatives due to recieving help back then and have today become the helpers. And if the government doesn't act, then unless root initiatives pick up the slack we're staring at a breakdown. The task of learning and simplifying initiative and investment law and programs for a new country is, as you might imagine, daunting, which is why I'm taking so long to get results. But it will be our task to teach said laws to burgerlanders so they can save themselves. There is no other way. Or better said. All other ways involve massive amounts of added pain, and likely, deaths.
 
Last edited:
That isn't too much of a worry because the disinfectant being used isn't antibiotics but instead bleach, alcohol and shit like that. Which mostly act by using electric charges (oxidation) and sheer thermodynamic kinetics to wreck membranes. You can't really built much resistance to being fucked by straight corrosion. I mean. Technically you can but it takes much longer for much lower benefits than with antibiotic resistance.

In the long run I'd say this will actually be great at stopping antibiotic resistant strains, because much like the flu, most of them come from China. And the ones that don't are usually contained. So if it gets people to stop trade with china until their farms follow proper procedure it would quickly erase 90% of resistant strains.

People really don't take into account just how awful chinese sanitation is. Corona is not the worst thing they've unleashed. Not by a lot.



He's not actually wrong. As you can see in https://nextstrain.org/ EEUU and africa (more concretely congo) is how corona made its way to most of the US. The asian strains are not that big there.

As for the rest. I hate the guy. But if we can get him to foment burgerland aelf sufficiency and stop chink trade before he gets kicked out all the better. Let's see where he goes with that.



This economic impact will cause a lot more pain than most seem to think. I was searching for Virginia but I will expand my search for US in general. We can't afford to stand idle on this. Tonight I'll update. But summary is.

3 things need to be assured. Food distribution. Small business creation. And housing aid. Without the second this will become an eternal problem. Without the first people will die. Without the third people won't be in livable conditions. If we can get the gov to act that would certainly be preferrable. Tell them to watch the difference between how spain handled the 2012 crisis and how it is handling this one. They will see the change is stark. They must follow today's method, not 2012s. If they stand idle pain will be inevitable. But point is. Even if they act, root initiatives will greatly help. Again one of the many good things of this crisis is that after 2012 many already were part of such initiatives due to recieving help back then and have today become the helpers. And if the government doesn't act, then unless root initiatives pick up the slack we're staring at a breakdown. The task of learning and simplifying initiative and investment law and programs for a new country is, as you might imagine, daunting, which is why I'm taking so long to get results. But it will be our task to teach said laws to burgerlanders so they can save themselves. There is no other way. Or better said. All other ways involve massive amounts of added pain, and likely, deaths.

we’ve known almost from Day 1 that most of New York’s strains came in via Italy. Mainly via tourism and family travel. The New York Metro Area is the largest population of ethnic Italians outside of Italy. It just wasn’t a vector anybody anticipated until it was too late. They were watching East Africa and the Western Pacific assuming those would be the likely vectors. No one realized how much direct traffic their was between China and Northern Italy, and how large the Chinese population had become there until it was much too late. The assumption was the risk vector to the European Mediterranean states would come from North Africa and Syria. So it’s spread would be picked up as it moved. Not a direct hop from Wuhan.
 
Are we allowed to do a positive dox? This guy sounds like we need him and reporters like him. I dunno, give me my puzzles.

Of the reporter? I think I’ve posted a screenshot of at least one tweet of his. Also should be easy to find if you search the web for 99.24%, which is the exact percentage he keeps hitting on.
 
www.nbcboston.com/news/local/gov-baker-to-provide-update-on-coronavirus-in-mass-4/2116974/

Are. You. Fuckin' kidding me. Masks required in public starting Wednesday? Baker, you RINO piece of shit, now I know you're trying our patience.

I can see it now already. Next time I go to the supermarket I'm gonna be given dirty looks or questioned for not having one on. Fuuuuuuuck that noise.

Getting his state in line with the rest of the Consortium. He may be an R, but most of the others are Ds.

Cuomo today said some retailers not currently Essential will be More Essential Than Others and quality for opening to curbside pickup along with Manf/Constr jobs for Phase I. Which may just be de juring the de facto because a lot are doing it now.

He also moved the goalposts on the Phase requirements. Before it was a 14 day decrease of new hospitalizations in a region; now it 7 different metrics which as of today no region is hitting. 2 of them, testing and tracing staffing, are controlled by the state. So rather than be dependent on the 5 stats, they can still say "whoops you don't have enough contact tracers" if they want to keep a region closed.
 
antibiotic resistant strains, because much like the flu, most of them come from China


Colistin was developed as an ‘antibiotic of last resort.’ So you don’t use it unless the bug you’re dealing with is resistant to everything. It’s literally, well, the last resort. Most countries did the equivalent of putting it in a safe place for a rainy day.
China fed it to pigs on an industrial scale to make them grow faster.
Guess where the first colistin resistance was found?
This is a huge deal because we aren’t discovering new antibiotics at anywhere near the rate we should be. When they stop working - and it is when, not if - there will be no more safe routine surgery. No more safe c sections. People will start dying of shit like tetanus, and strep throats. It’s a huge deal, and ALL the serious resistance problems are due to third world overuse predominantly in farming. The west is now rationing antibiotics for kids with ear infections, when the problem is not little kids with sore ears, it’s people feeding antibiotics to millions of pigs as routine.

The sooner we cut some supply chains and mass migration routes the better. Multidrug resistant TB is rife in London, at higher rates than places like Rwanda. Political correctness stops the problem being even spoken about. It’s not an exaggeration to say the future of human healthy is in danger because of this.
 
Some updates re the progress of opening up certain states. Some people want to pay those who self-isolate $50/day. I'm home nearly all day anyway. Should that come to pass believe I'll sign up. Sweet!





Added: Some rural CA counties ask Nazi Newsom to stop fucking them over. Some of these counties are already starting to blow him off.




Another one: CA cities fear an extended lockdown may devastate them. NFG. Gee, why didn't the genius who has put the entire state on house arrest consider this? A rational quarantine policy would have substantially mitigated this problem. But, NOOOOOO...Nazi Newsom and his other little Nazi county "health directors" need their ego/power trips. Forget it. Not a penny from Washington. Go ask the governor. See if he cares. He doesn't.




One more. Don't believe I can archive this. Check this out. This is happening all over the country. Believe every little Hitler who has put their states/counties under house arrest needs to see this. THEY never miss a paycheck. THEY don't care.

 
Last edited:
Any company whose clients are shut down is probably getting zero revenue because those clients likely have no money with which to pay them. It has the potential to be a big mess the longer shutdowns last without a plan in place to get people working again as it becomes safe and reasonable to do so.
That's where I'm at. I'm not officially shut down but am effectively. No sales or booking for a month. It takes a while to spin up. Work wouldn't trickle down to us contractors for another even if they opened it right now. Pay lags a month or two after that. I need Phase II to get rolling as soon as possible if I want to see a full paycheck before September.

It's all gridlock because the governor wants to protect the pampered corporate sales weenies and useless accounts managers. As If I didn't have enough reason to hate the risk averse gatekeeping white-collar cubicle dwelling side of the industry.
 
Report the governor and the police department to the Department of Justice. Very easy to do. Have done that several times already.

In other news, this motherfucking cocksucker is probably the biggest ingrate on Earth. Fuck him in the heart. You can't make this shit up.


Someone on the twitter thread posted the following:
The Parable of the Good Samaritan is about a Jewish man unexpectedly receiving help from a despised enemy with whom he had serious religious differences. Jesus intended to scandalize his Jewish hearers and shake them out of their self-righteousness. Seems relevant.
Corey Johnson is pandering to the far left wing LGBTBBQ kooks which, although they make a lot of noise, are not the majority. NY, and the city, are corrupt so voting "irregularities" are standard. That's how a POS like Corey Johnson gets elected in NYC; in fact, that's how all the scum in New York are elected. Look at how Hillary Clinton, a recent transplant from Arkansas, became a senator in New York. Everyone loathed her, none more so than upstate.
I've been wondering about this. Due to the virus, people are disinfecting just about everything and for how long will it be done. This could cause an increase of antibiotic resistant bacteria that will come back to bite us.
MRSA is a huge problem in hospitals in NYC and incredibly hard to eliminate. They've found it in sink and sewer drains after rooms have been disinfected. It's so bad you have people routinely avoiding hospitals, something that was a thing in the days before antibiotics.
 
Ding ding ding!!! WELCOME TO CLOWN WORLD EVERYONE! Woooweee the right wing's on crazy mode again! As I told you before. The spanish alarm state must be revised by congress once every 15 days at 70% votes. Which means the gov needs the opposition to vote yes.

Right now PNV and PP have both locked on NO. Adding to the catalonians and VOX who were already voting no before. Which means if the vote is realized before the gov deals with them deescalation will go from "progressive measures to lower contagion" to "we're literally 100% back to normal." Now that is not why this is clown world. Personally I'd say our deescalation rythm is good and flexible enough and I'd rather not risk a much larger spike by opening everything now like that. But if we open I'd still be fine for it. So I'd say the gov should say "ok, you take responsibility then" and see if they got the balls to pull that trigger.

'Cause the reason this is clownworld is what the PP is asking for in exchange for the deal. Btw if you're wondering what the PNV is asking. Decentralization. So imho that makes perfect sense. So we'll see if they deal. Honestly the PSOE would be retarded not to do so.

As for what the PP is asking. First, background. ERE and ERTE. ERE means Expediente de Regulacion de Empleo. The T in ERTE stands for "temporary". Basically an ERE is a mass firing. An ERTE is a temporary mass firing. How does this work? Well. Let's go back to 2012. Oh yeah THAT crisis. Fun fact. THIS is what happened. Rajoi wrote ERE and ERTE into our laws. So what did this add to our book you may ask? Well you know how firing people en masse for literally no reason is kind of fucking illegal in most places? Well. It was in spain. But the ERE allows for mass firings, with the added bonus that no joke the spanish gov under ERE would PAY BUSINESSES REPARATIONS FOR DOING THESE MASS FIRINGS so as to "ensure their stability." I'd need to add the previously mentioned "exceptional circumstances" circumstances which were so lax both spanish judges and european lawmakers dismantled it soon after. But of course before it was dismantled it caused every fucking big business with factories in spain to move them to china (and how funny that the PP had ties with many of them... I'm sure that didn't motivate this law at all.) And since Rajoi was also so kind as to strangle small biz by raising their taxes and lumping on regulations against them, that caused the biggest bout of job destruction in spain since the civil war even going over the 2008 crisis. Yes, that's right, our president single handedly caused a bigger economic disaster than the collapse of the international economic framework by selling our labor to the chinks. Wanna guess why both China and Rajoi are despised by most spaniards?! Funnily enough under Sanchez, while he's an asshole and a bit of a dullard, he's managed to regenerate the economy thoroughly enough than as I learned thanks to this thread we're up to par with the USA in minimum and average sallaries, while still sporting a much larger unemployment rate, sadly. But point is shit has gotten better. And after many of those businesses found out the hard way that china always cons you, and our frontier officers don't let fraudulent shit pass just because you claim to be a spanish biz, they've come back crawling. Welcome to fucking Spain. At this point I wonder if we're just masochists. So if shit doesn't go wront we make it go wrong!

So. ERE now doesn't involve such reparations and does involve circumstances so stringent than really it's just a bankruptcy law, like, it's just redundant at this point. And up to par with the rest of the EU. But not ERTE. How does ERTE work? Well. When an exceptional circumstance (like a crisis or natural disaster. Which is actually what this shit should be for) that forces you to close up shop. You're allowed to TEMPORARILY fire everyone and close, and will be paid for the maintenance of the infrastructure and business, under the condition that this is "vinculado" (meaning "bound" or "linked") to the circumstance and when the government decrees that the happening ends you're forced to hire everyone again and reopen. Sounds fair. Right? We're literally protecting your investment so you stay in spain. And if you want to close, just don't use ERTE and use ERE (or other forms of bankruptcy laws) instead, and you won't get paid but you won't have to reopen.

Well. Casado. Chief of the PP. Is asking in exchange for allowing the reopening to stay gradual, for the government to "desvincular" (meaning "unbind") the ERTE from the alarm state. This would mean that companies that claimed ERTE can choose to maintain or end such process AT THEIR OWN LEISURE. Meaning we'd be paying them all of their maintenance costs for as long as they pleased and they'd have no reason to stop the process and reopen at all. Yeah wanna guess what party has the most ties to businesses that called ERTE during the crisis? Wanna fucking guess? Welcome to the wheatfields, motherfucker. Clownworld! This shit's clownworld!

Only alterbative other than negotiating with the basques would be relying on one of our legal flaws to prove thay two negatives do make a positive. The massive redundancy of our autonomy system. The constitution gives clause for the communities to declare alarm state on their own. So essentially if the guvernmental alarm state fails the autonomies could just say "ok, we declare it anyway, fuck congress", at least some of them anyway. The one that'd need to do so the most is madrid which is PP owned so we'd see if they'd flip flop or just go full retard. Who fucking knows with these idiots. We'll see. Over all, this is hilarious. And I am thoroughly enjoying it. It's fairly obvious at this point the PP knows its ratings have collapsed into dust and either they're trying to manufacture a crisis to make Sanchez look back or they're trying to syphon as many funds as they can out of it for golden parachutes. It's fucking lunacy. But it's funny lunacy. 10/10 would facepalm again.
 
1588622128784.png


Big brain takes.
 
the gop wants liability shields in place for the next round of funding. they want to protect businesses from "i caught the virus from here" lawsuits.

how would anyone prove that they were infected from 1 single place? as far as i know, you could catch the virus if youre downwind from an infected person breathing. i could be wrong about how easy it is to transmit. but i dont see how you could trace the infection from one source.

the parks and grocery stores were packed yesterday because it was sunny out.
 
More New York City Coronavirus tales of ordinary madness:

Topless tart claiming to be a "medical worker" parades around Time Square to "relieve stress". Pressing X to doubt:
Archive

Hateful hispanic tries to remove rice ball on subway, fails spectacularly:
Archive

Oh dear, her boy dindu nuffin! Social distancing enforcement goes bad after man refuses to follow NYPD orders. Well, you all voted for De Blasio:
Archive

Homeless hobos take the A train into the next world. Thank you for riding the New York City subway:
Archive

Outdoor barbershop open for business. That's the spirit! (now please do Fluffy):
Archive
 
Flint security guard got shot and killed by demanding someone wear a facemask.


Prosecutor: Security guard told Flint dollar store customer to wear mask before being fatally shot
George Hunter and Jennifer Chambers, The Detroit NewsPublished 2:24 p.m. ET May 4, 2020 | Updated 4:27 p.m. ET May 4, 2020


Flint — Police are hunting for two men who allegedly killed a dollar store security guard because they felt he "disrespected" female relatives by insisting one of them wear a mask in the store during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton said Monday he charged Ramonyea Bishop, 23; Larry Teague, 44; and Sharmel Teague, 45, with first-degree murder in connection with Friday's fatal shooting of 43-year-old Calvin Munerlyn at the Family Dollar store at 877 E. Fifth Ave. in Flint.

Calvin Munerlyn, homicide victim (Photo: Family friend Bryant Nolden)
Bishop and Larry Teague remain at large, Leyton said at a press conference in the Genesee County court building. Sharmel Teague is in custody and awaiting arraignment, although no date has been set.
According to Leyton, the violence was sparked when Munerlyn told Sharmel Teague's daughter to put on a mask in compliance with Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's shelter-in-place order to help contain the spread of the coronavirus.

Maalik Mitchell, center left, sheds tears as he says goodbye to his father, Calvin Munerlyn, during a vigil Sunday, May 3, 2020, in Flint, Mich. (Photo: Jake May, AP)

"From all indications, Mr. Munerlyn was simply doing his job in upholding the governor's executive order related to the COVID-19 pandemic for the safety of store employees and customers," Leyton said.
MORE: Police probe shooting of Flint security guard in confrontation over mask at Family Dollar
The incident started at 2:14 p.m. Friday, when Sharmel Teague and her unnamed daughter, who is in her 20s, entered the store, the prosecutor said.

"Sharmel Teague and Munerlyn ... got into a verbal altercation after Munerlyn told Teague's daughter that she needed to wear a face mask while inside the store," Leyton said.
"Teague's daughter left the store, but Teague began yelling at Munerlyn, who then told her to leave the store and instructed a cashier not to serve her," the prosecutor said.

Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton announces charges on Monday, May, 4, 2020 against three suspects in the murder of Calvin James Munerlyn, a security guard, at a Family Dollar north of downtown Flint on May 1, 2020. (Photo: Max Ortiz, The Detroit News)

"There is surveillance video that confirms the altercation," Leyton said.
The video shows Sharmel Teague leave the store in a red GMC Envoy and return about 20 minutes later with two men, Larry Teague — her husband — and Bishop, her son.
"Witnesses on the scene said they saw two black males enter the store wearing dark clothing," Leyton said. "One of them started yelling at Mr. Munerlyn about disrespecting his wife. The other black male walks up and shoots Mr. Munerlyn. ... Witnesses identified Bishop as the shooter."

Ramonyea Travon Bishop (Photo: Genesee County Prosecutor's Office)
When police arrived, they found Munerlyn lying in the store, bleeding from a gunshot wound in the head. Munerlyn, a married father of six who also had three stepchildren, was taken to the Hurley Medical Center in Flint, where he was pronounced dead.
Bryant Nolden, a Genesee County commissioner and director of Bertson Field House, a Flint gymnasium, said he was longtime friends with Munerlyn, whom he described as a "gentleman."


"This really broke my heart," Nolden said. "He would come in three or four times a week and he'd train anyone who wanted to be trained for free. We have a senior dance, and he'd come and dance with the seniors.
"I hope (the suspects) are brought to justice, because this was extremely senseless and totally uncalled for," he said. "He didn't bother a soul. All he wanted was to take care of his family.
"This is a loss for the community, and for me as an individual," Nolden said.

Larry Edward Teague (Photo: Genesee County Prosecutor's Office)
Whitmer's extended stay-home order went into effect April 27, allowing businesses to refuse service to customers who don't wear face masks. No criminal penalties are attached to the order, but state officials strongly encourage customers to wear them.
Michigan reported 43,754 confirmed COVID-19 cases as of Sunday and 4,049 deaths. In Genesee County, there are 1,634 cases and 196 deaths.
A GoFundMe page was created in the slain security guard's honor. As of Monday afternoon, more than $25,000 was raised.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom