Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[PantsFreeZone]

That page is 1-2 weeks behind, and has been at ~37K for a while, according to archive.today. (archives)


This other CDC page is up to date and is still at ~64K. (archives)

You may be right but it literally says on the chart the last report of 4/25/2020 + Data as of May 1, 2020

Also, the page you quote has an addendum that says "As of April 14, 2020, CDC case counts and death counts include both confirmed and probable cases and deaths."

So I'm still skeptical of that number.

 

[CeleryStalks]

The chart with the low number may have been revised on May 1, but it still doesn't include any deaths past April 25, and it doesn't look like it even has all the deaths from the week ending April 25, either (COVID-19 deaths in bold).



I agree it's confusing for them to have two pages for counting the cases two different ways, but I don't see any evidence that they're in the process of reducing their provisional death count from ~64K to ~37K.

 

[feral cat #6385]

Do YOU know how many times you touch your face while cooking?

Fucking why you pawing your face when cooking? You mash your face into the meat to tenderize it or something?

It's not difficult to remember to wash your hands, not reuse utensils you use on raw meat to avoid cross contamination. What are you Jack Scalfani?

Food safety isn't rocket science.

 

[uncleShitHeel]

This, combined with the fairly unavoidable collapse of Arab states is a really awesome cocktail of fuck.

I sincerly I hope I'm wrong about my opinions.

This is my long term hot take on things. The media can only lie and simp for so long before war breaks out on a scale only our grandparents and great grandparents were familiar with.

I don't particularly want it to, but I don't see a viable alternative to the order of things in the long term.

Edit: Just a quick thought based on my own experience.

Nu Zilunders have never been the most tolerant or accepting bunch. We're better than a lot of places, but casual racism is common as I'd imagine it is in most places.

Anyway the general target has been Asians, mostly around stereotypes of shit driving and around the buying up of real estate.

As the economy gets worse and no doubt it will, this level of tolerance will likely bottom out completely with people looking to blame and I imagine it'll get ugly. I don't particularly want to see it but I can almost guarantee it will. I assume its the same in other parts of the world and I can imagine the media will trollshield making things even worse.

On a lighter note I went to the grocery store today. They've insitituted a number of processes to prevent transmission of pesitilence that the boomers and bogans keep ignoring, because cooperating is for other people. Holy shit, nz is definitely getting a second wave of this thing.

 

[afternoon_tea]

It was the first nice day around here, and other than face coverings you'd never really know anything was out of the ordinary, people were just out and about.

The stores were pretty busy with people out buying warm weather stuff, lots of people at the parks and beaches. Overheard a lot of people saying they were just over the whole thing and were ready for more places to open back up and lamenting about how many small businesses are probably done for good.

I just finished reading this book about the Spanish flu, and it sounds like pretty much the same thing happened back then too, people just hit a point where even the most gung ho about restrictions were like "ok, but we gotta live our lives again eventually" so it doesn't surprise me that people feel like that again.

It doesn't matter how effective lockdowns are, getting people to comply long term is always going to be like trying to wrangle cats. Maybe in the future they could try to approach it differently, but I think it's always going to be a struggle. If the Spanish flu and the Black Plague couldn't get people to do it, Wu flu never stood a chance.

I met an older lady with kidney problems at the store and she said today was her first time out of the house since March. She was obviously taking it quite seriously as she's in one of the highest risk groups, but even she was at her breaking point.

 

[Rudy Russo]

Outside China

3,342,752 confirmed / 239,158 dead / 1,014,460 recovered

3259818 / 234026 / 974762 yesterday

USA

1,132,512 confirmed / 66,368 dead / 175,382 recovered JohnHopkins
1,134,356 confirmed / 66,898 dead / 170,201 recovered Infection2020

1103781 / 64956 / 164015 yesterday JohnHopkins
1104835 / 65244 / 161563 yesterday Infection2020

Spain

216,582 confirmed / 25,100 dead / 117,248 recovered

213435 / 24543 / 112050 Two days ago

Italy

209,328 confirmed / 28,710 dead / 79,914 recovered

207428 / 28236 / 78249 yesterday

France

168,518 confirmed / 24,763 dead / 50,663 recovered

167305 / 24628 / 51124 yesterday

Germany

164,967 confirmed / 6,812 dead / 129,000 recovered

164077 / 6736 / 126900 yesterday


Infection2020 NYC dead didnt update today so no telling if the country wide dead number is right.

John Hopkins France confirmed still hasnt been fixed and now the recovered is wrong also.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

So, not that anybody here is really a close personal friend or anything, but I wanted to report that I've been diagnosed with a probable mild strain of Corona. I'm looking into formal testing on Monday.

I don't feel like I'm dying, I think I've had this for about a week without actually knowing what it was. No coof, more similar to a flu with chills and sweats and muscle pains. I'm probably okay but I'm in lockdown until further notice, regardless of what everyone else does. Although since I can work from home and am pretty okay without human contact, that's not really as bad as it would be for most people.

If suddenly stop logging in, assume I'm dead. Just in case that happens, I want you magnificent bastards to know, it's been a privilege shitposting with you.

... and you're all a bunch of fucking queers.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

Does anyone have an idea about why it would be spreading so much in the meat packing plants? Is it just people in close proximity? Are places like fulfillment centers having the same issues?

Smithfield foods, the plant affected, is chinese owned, so no surprise the disease is hitting there hard. Others have already touched on the likely lack of PPE and the use of migrant labor and their squalor conditions.

One other thing to consider, this "meat scarcity" the media is chirping. Smithfield was sending the majority of their output to china. It has barely affected the US. The lack of sales and higher prices are likely price gouging.

Honestly the spread in the meat plants is probably reflective of the asymptomatic spread in the broader population. They just got noticed due to increased testing. This isn’t “OMG! It’s in the meat packing industry!” This is “OMG! It’s literally everywhere and mostly benign except to the elderly and medically compromised!” Or to put it another way “it likely really is just the flu bro”.

I've been saying this since march. The reason clusters exist is because the disease spreads so easily, and the vast majority just dont notice it. The only time you notice is when enough people get sick enough in one place you notice something is off. It's been all around us for months. To say that the early estimates were severely understated is beyond an understatement.

I think people are just kind of over it. I'm in one of the states where they still have shelter in place active, but no one seems particularly panicked or anything. I went for a run in the park today, and it was pretty packed, but only about a 1/3 of the people were wearing masks, and the number of people who were wearing them correctly was pretty small. People wear masks to go to the supermarket, but otherwise everyone seems anxious to get back to living normally. I got an email saying I could sign up for Coronavirus testing without a doctor's recommendation at Rite Aid, but I have no idea how many people are signing up for it or if many people even care anymore.

I went shopping for lawncare stuff yeasterday. Was going to menards, but they require a mask, and if you dont have one theyll sell you one for $1. Fucking rip off.

Went to Lowes instead. No stupid mask requirement. 60-70% of customers had no mask, good half of those that did were either touching mask or wearing it wrong. Decent number of EMPLOYEES didnt have masks on. Went grocery shopping later. 95% of the customers had no mask, saw employees pulling mask down to talk or eat. Most were not covering nose. Those wearing gloves would touch mask or face in between cleaning surfaces or touching product.

Mask laws are fucking dumb. Nobody knows how to use the damn things, and they are not meant to go through a 8 hour work day either. Few on the streets are wearing masks. People out walking, talking, stores packed. People are itching to get back to normal, the fear of corona is burning out. Corona is already in the community, and with such lackluster mask use it's having no issue spreading. Without testing cant prove that, but I'd be damned if half the county hasnt already been exposed.

So, not that anybody here is really a close personal friend or anything, but I wanted to report that I've been diagnosed with a probable mild strain of Corona. I'm looking into formal testing on Monday.

I don't feel like I'm dying, I think I've had this for about a week without actually knowing what it was. No coof, more similar to a flu with chills and sweats and muscle pains. I'm probably okay but I'm in lockdown until further notice, regardless of what everyone else does. Although since I can work from home and am pretty okay without human contact, that's not really as bad as it would be for most people.

If suddenly stop logging in, assume I'm dead. Just in case that happens, I want you magnificent bastards to know, it's been a privilege shitposting with you.

... and you're all a bunch of fucking queers.

Make sure to keep us updates in the kiwis touched by corona thread.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/05/01/national/robots-serve-coronavirus-patients-tokyo-hotels-unveiled/?fbclid=IwAR0TXnMjH0ZSkR9xeyGHUfj1SioUt8YDYeZVT1atmH3-ILI6K4TvvsUbmzc#.Xq5RciVlCEc

Should the West get robots to serve covid patients as well?

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

New day. Birds are chirping even more than past days. It's nice. Yesterday while I walked I almost fell. Didn't mention it because I didn't feel it relevant, but it seems I twisted my ankle hard. Yesterday the feet pain hid the ankle pain so I didn't notice but this morning it hurt, a lot. Also holy shit I wrecked my soles. And the leg muscles. Ouch. So yeah. I won't be able to tell you how many people go to walk or get photos. Sorry for that.

I guess that does explain the psychological effects of lockdown. I knew damn well the risks and I knew my limits. And yet I fucking wrecked my body harder than when I started going to the gym. And I'm the kind of person who is used to this shit so I should've been able to understand what was going down before now. But lock someone for a month and they'll fucking need to walk as far as their body can handle it. And judging by the amount of people walking it ain't just the fitness nerds and sports fans doing it. Wouldn't surprise me if today half the city has some kinda pain related to excess exercise.

So since I can't provide you pics of the beach. Here, have some photos of our beautiful Tacita de Plata. Looks a bit like Tropico 6 doesn't it?

Spoiler

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/05/01/national/robots-serve-coronavirus-patients-tokyo-hotels-unveiled/?fbclid=IwAR0TXnMjH0ZSkR9xeyGHUfj1SioUt8YDYeZVT1atmH3-ILI6K4TvvsUbmzc#.Xq5RciVlCEc

Should the West get robots to serve covid patients as well?

Sure thing buddy! You got a few spare billion dollars for that?

We just barely started being able to afford testing all the hospital staff and a sufficient number of masks. I don't think we're quite at the "able to afford creating robotic nurses" point.

Economy aside. It's not actually that great an idea. The robots can quickly turn to vectors and are not as efficient as people. So they're more of a nuisance. The advantage they have is they don't need as much PPE as humans so for all intents and purposes they're just really large, really expensive PPE for their operators which also neuters them. So, you know... Not really worth it at all. They're cute though I guess.

Nice sunny weather today, lots of people out, nearly all are wearing masks/gloves Airing out comforters and hanging out on the fire escapes. Cats trying to get to the container of cat grass (I give them some but they'd destroy it if I let them).

On a more depressing note some bodegas have closed and abandoned their cats. I got a call from a rescue group asking if I could take a cat from a nearby store (which closed and simply tossed their cat outside where a former customer found her) but I'm taking care of a kitty from a bodega whose owner supplied me with food, litter and a fancy self-cleaning litter box. The bodega had to cut its hours back so he couldn't really care for his sweet girl like he wanted. I take her in a few months out of the year anyway when he leaves once a year to go back home. My apartment is a familiar place for her and I don't mind. It's depressing to find out how cruel and heartless some people are.

I have so many questions... First of. Why Bodegas need cats to begin with? Over here having animals on food stores like that is discouraged, not widespread. Secondly, cats are like THE easiest animal to keep home! Why the hell are they not just bringing the cat home?!

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

New day. Birds are chirping even more than past days. It's nice. Yesterday while I walked I almost fell. Didn't mention it because I didn't feel it relevant, but it seems I twisted my ankle hard. Yesterday the feet pain hid the ankle pain so I didn't notice but this morning it hurt, a lot. Also holy shit I wrecked my soles. And the leg muscles. Ouch. So yeah. I won't be able to tell you how many people go to walk or get photos. Sorry for that.

I guess that does explain the psychological effects of lockdown. I knew damn well the risks and I knew my limits. And yet I fucking wrecked my body harder than when I started going to the gym. And I'm the kind of person who is used to this shit so I should've been able to understand what was going down before now. But lock someone for a month and they'll fucking need to walk as far as their body can handle it. And judging by the amount of people walking it ain't just the fitness nerds and sports fans doing it. Wouldn't surprise me if today half the city has some kinda pain related to excess exercise.

So since I can't provide you pics of the beach. Here, have some photos of our beautiful Tacita de Plata. Looks a bit like Tropico 6 doesn't it?

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Sure thing buddy! You got a few spare billion dollars for that?

We just barely started being able to afford testing all the hospital staff and a sufficient number of masks. I don't think we're quite at the "able to afford creating robotic nurses" point.

Economy aside. It's not actually that great an idea. The robots can quickly turn to vectors and are not as efficient as people. So they're more of a nuisance. The advantage they have is they don't need as much PPE as humans so for all intents and purposes they're just really large, really expensive PPE for their operators which also neuters them. So, you know... Not really worth it at all. They're cute though I guess.



I have so many questions... First of. Why Bodegas need cats to begin with? Over here having animals on food stores like that is discouraged, not widespread. Secondly, cats are like THE easiest animal to keep home! Why the hell are they not just bringing the cat home?!

Rats. Rats thrive in cities. Cats keep the rat population down. It's why they used to keep cats on ships even though you'd think the two things wouldn't mix at all.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Rats. Rats thrive in cities. Cats keep the rat population down. It's why they used to keep cats on ships even though you'd think the two things wouldn't mix at all.

But. I mean. Yes I guess I get it. I sure do get why cats were used in the past, I played dorf fortress too. But. Do supermarkets and restaurants around there keep cats too? If not. Which I hope is the truth. That would explain the fact that we stoped using cats for such purposes once we figured other, more hygienic ways of keeping rats out. Which would bring into question why bodegas don't simply properly maintain their shops. And if they do... Dude. That's fucked up.

 

[deeplyhigh]

It’s official: people are starting to unperson me for daring to tell them the virus isn’t the plague, we’re not all going to die, and that protests aren’t about haircuts but about people not being able to survive without money and food. Apparently people don’t like it when you tell them they’re condemning hundreds of millions to starve to death with their selfish “everyone stay in your bunkers forever” NEET logic.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Looks like the chink chicom check didn't clear at ABC.

 

[Garm]

Smithfield foods, the plant affected, is chinese owned, so no surprise the disease is hitting there hard. Others have already touched on the likely lack of PPE and the use of migrant labor and their squalor conditions.

One other thing to consider, this "meat scarcity" the media is chirping. Smithfield was sending the majority of their output to china. It has barely affected the US. The lack of sales and higher prices are likely price gouging.

I've been saying this since march. The reason clusters exist is because the disease spreads so easily, and the vast majority just dont notice it. The only time you notice is when enough people get sick enough in one place you notice something is off. It's been all around us for months. To say that the early estimates were severely understated is beyond an understatement.

I went shopping for lawncare stuff yeasterday. Was going to menards, but they require a mask, and if you dont have one theyll sell you one for $1. Fucking rip off.

Went to Lowes instead. No stupid mask requirement. 60-70% of customers had no mask, good half of those that did were either touching mask or wearing it wrong. Decent number of EMPLOYEES didnt have masks on. Went grocery shopping later. 95% of the customers had no mask, saw employees pulling mask down to talk or eat. Most were not covering nose. Those wearing gloves would touch mask or face in between cleaning surfaces or touching product.

Mask laws are fucking dumb. Nobody knows how to use the damn things, and they are not meant to go through a 8 hour work day either. Few on the streets are wearing masks. People out walking, talking, stores packed. People are itching to get back to normal, the fear of corona is burning out. Corona is already in the community, and with such lackluster mask use it's having no issue spreading. Without testing cant prove that, but I'd be damned if half the county hasnt already been exposed.


Make sure to keep us updates in the kiwis touched by corona thread.

Problem with humanity is that there is a certain percentage who will say "Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" no matter what it is. Probably would have been better to go with Sweden's approach and keep the economy going.

Just let the storm hit already. Dragging this out is going to make it worse.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=J9Vh9yqu5Qo
Looks like the chink chicom check didn't clear at ABC.

That's what I don't understand about people claiming "Trump should have responded faster." We were getting bad Intelligence from China. You can't make good decisions based on bad Intelligence.

People don't understand how this shit works.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

That's what I don't understand about people claiming "Trump should have responded faster." We were getting bad Intelligence from China. You can't make good decisions based on bad Intelligence.

People don't understand how this shit works.

Edit: Sorry for double post.

Over here the crazies are also claiming Iglesias is to blame for the deathtoll for not closing earlier. And yes they say it's the fault of Iglesias, the labor minister, instead of Illa, the healthcare minister or Sanchez, the president, because Iglesias is the chief of Podemos and they have the spanish version of TDS hardcore.

And like a large number of people over here keep pointing out in social media. Those same crazies claimed the mere idea of locking down was communism tyranny until after the spike hit us hard. So. The only explanation is it is indeed IDS (Iglesias Derangement Syndrome), so if I had to guess I'd say they just say it over there because of their strain of TDS, that being common TDS. They know damned well the democrats were calling for chinatown festivals, they just can't admit it because everything must be trump's fault.

Btw if for any internet epidemiologist wanting to know if the spanish IDS strain is mutated enough to overcome built up immunity against TDS. For the record. The spanish left suffers from TDS. The spanish right suffers from IDS. But also as you know Rajoi actually tried to break trade laws to compete against Trump and Trump smashed spain for it, so indeed the radical spanish right also suffers from TDS simultaneously. And spanish moderates actually tend to suffer from neither strain, specially since Trump fucked us over, because it was Rajoi's fault (and Sanchez's for not stopping it once he came to power) and we fucking wish our assholes had the balls to defend our interests like that. That and the TPP was a massive issue before Trump got ellected as Rajoi was trying to join us into it (and thankfully got stopped by the ellections happening before he could fuck that up) so we have him to thank for that one. Whatever you say about the guy, that alone means he's helped spain more than any other american president ever did. Cheers.

So point is, you can suffer from both, either or neither. It seems the mutation is indeed novel enough to need separate vaccines.

 

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That's what I don't understand about people claiming "Trump should have responded faster." We were getting bad Intelligence from China. You can't make good decisions based on bad Intelligence.

People don't understand how this shit works.

Edit: Sorry for double post.

Based Dilbert Merchant has covered this, actually. Trump didn't react like their theoretical perfect President Hillary would have reacted in the perfect world that exists only in their minds, so he falls short. It's a logical fallacy, but it drives them bugfuck nuts.

 

[afternoon_tea]

But. I mean. Yes I guess I get it. I sure do get why cats were used in the past, I played dorf fortress too. But. Do supermarkets and restaurants around there keep cats too? If not. Which I hope is the truth. That would explain the fact that we stoped using cats for such purposes once we figured other, more hygienic ways of keeping rats out. Which would bring into question why bodegas don't simply properly maintain their shops. And if they do... Dude. That's fucked up.

A lot of restaurants like to have alley cats living out back by the dumpsters to catch rats. They don't keep them inside, but will set up food for them out back to keep them hanging around to catch rodents.

We did this with a feral cat when I worked at an animal feed store and it works pretty well. It's a mutually beneficial relationship and helps out cats that are too wild to keep indoors. It's like the one job you can actually get a cat to do.

 

[Allakazam223]

Over here the crazies are also claiming Iglesias is to blame for the deathtoll for not closing earlier. And yes they say it's the fault of Iglesias, the labor minister, instead of Illa, the healthcare minister or Sanchez, the president, because Iglesias is the chief of Podemos and they have the spanish version of TDS hardcore.

And like a large number of people over here keep pointing out in social media. Those same crazies claimed the mere idea of locking down was communism tyranny until after the spike hit us hard. So. The only explanation is it is indeed IDS (Iglesias Derangement Syndrome), so if I had to guess I'd say they just say it over there because of their strain of TDS, that being common TDS. They know damned well the democrats were calling for chinatown festivals, they just can't admit it because everything must be trump's fault.

Btw if for any internet epidemiologist wanting to know if the spanish IDS strain is mutated enough to overcome built up immunity against TDS. For the record. The spanish left suffers from TDS. The spanish right suffers from IDS. But also as you know Rajoi actually tried to break trade laws to compete against Trump and Trump smashed spain for it, so indeed the radical spanish right also suffers from TDS simultaneously. And spanish moderates actually tend to suffer from neither strain, specially since Trump fucked us over, because it was Rajoi's fault (and Sanchez's for not stopping it once he came to power) and we fucking wish our assholes had the balls to defend our interests like that. That and the TPP was a massive issue before Trump got ellected as Rajoi was trying to join us into it (and thankfully got stopped by the ellections happening before he could fuck that up) so we have him to thank for that one. Whatever you say about the guy, that alone means he's helped spain more than any other american president ever did. Cheers.

So point is, you can suffer from both, either or neither. It seems the mutation is indeed novel enough to need separate vaccines.

It hurts my head trying to follow your anecdotes on Spanish politics. Not really a suprise then that fingers are being pointed everywhere, my question to them would be why they don't work together to glass Chinese investments?

Based Dilbert Merchant has covered this, actually. Trump didn't react like their theoretical perfect President Hillary would have reacted in the perfect world that exists only in their minds, so he falls short. It's a logical fallacy, but it drives them bugfuck nuts.

Logical fallacies are great motivators to people who can't/won't follow through all the way on a line of thinking. See; emotional rationale.

A lot of restaurants like to have alley cats living out back by the dumpsters to catch rats. They don't keep them inside, but will set up food for them out back to keep them hanging around to catch rodents.

We did this with a feral cat when I worked at an animal feed store and it works pretty well. It's a mutually beneficial relationship and helps out cats that are too wild to keep indoors. It's like the one job you can actually get a cat to do.

Cats love it. After how many thousands of years coexisting with humans, dogs have become "mams best friend." It makes sence that cats, who have also coexisted with humans for at least a few thousand, if not more, have also adapted.

 

[Garm]

Based Dilbert Merchant has covered this, actually. Trump didn't react like their theoretical perfect President Hillary would have reacted in the perfect world that exists only in their minds, so he falls short. It's a logical fallacy, but it drives them bugfuck nuts.

That makes sense. I need to watch his stuff more.

Clinton would probably just ordered a drone bombing campaign to slow the spread.

"We'll go world wide to stop the Corona."