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I've seen countless posts from FtMs that obviously swallowed all the bs about 'patriarchy' and such nonsense and transition only to realise post transition that going through life as a woman was far easier, and living as a man is much tougher

This isn't the reason young women transition. You are talking out of your ass. It isn't because they once heard some terven talk about patriarchy. You also obviously never talked to detransitioners nor listened to them. It is a very complex issue.

These people suffer from depression, autism, internalized homophobia, trauma from sexual abuse and other mental health issues. Detransitioning isn't "herp derp they realized women have it easier!1" Transitioning isn't "hurr durr it's because ze tervens told them men are bad!1"

Certain trans issues aren't that simple.
 
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So while I'm 100% with TERFs in dealing with the threat of the lunacy of troons, it's true that it's a problem they helped grow. Something that they will never acknowledge.
Another thing the 2nd wavers were responsible for was this idea of using Marxist conflict analysis and applying it to gender relations, this idea of grouping everyone into 'oppressor' and 'oppressed' classes and using it to explain every dynamic between the two groups.
This now is the underpinning mechanic of the 'cultural Marxist' or 'post modernist' academic theorists that have infected western academia and resulted in this explosion of trans and gender bs and other assorted IDPol garbage, see 'critical race theory', 'queer studies', 'post colonialism' etc.


That's before we get into them also throwing out any discussion of the natural biological differences between the sexes, while insisting 'gender' is entirely socially constructed and a 'performance'. All of which is now deployed by the gender theorists to prop up their ideas.


It's quite galling being on somewhere like r/GenderCritical and seeing them bemoan this line of thinking and theory that has brought about so much of what we see today, while at the same holding up 1960/70s RadFem theorists as relevant and correct visionaries despite them being among the chief architects of this post modernist absurd hell we are living in.
Of course this cognitive dissonance isn't exactly suspiring, these woman operate on from a standpoint that women can do no wrong ever, and even when they do they it is because they too are victims of 'misogyny/patriarchy' without agency of their own. See how their differing treatment of FtMs vs. MtFs.


Something that they will never acknowledge.

...well this may surprise you, it certainly surprised me:
TERF stands up and admits the role 2nd wave feminism has had in laying the ground work for modern day troonism. Of course she's booed and heckled by her fellow feminists, but it was eye opening to see some acknowledgement at least.

 
It might be the binding. Repetitive binding of a big chest can stretch and flatten them out. Big boobs sag in general (unlike what Hentai will have you believe). If a girl has DDs and no bra on, they will be at her belly button sitting down. The point of a bra is to keep the boobs upright and non-saggy. Binding is kind of like an anti-bra - pulling boobs down and flat against the body.
A little late but testosterone breaks down breast tissue. Binding for prolonged periods of time (which nearly all FtMs do) does the same thing. Combine both of these methods and you have a recipe for a pair of saggy, sad, useless tits.
 
Idk if a ftm ever transitioned due to rad fem ideologies but along with our collection of pornsick nut jobs we have plenty of self hating incels that are mtf. The kind of autists who hate their masculinity so much that they just switched teams. It wouldnt surprise me if at least in part some girl thought transitioning would release them from the "terror" of the patriarchy. I think its more to do with seeing the grass as greener on the other side, but I could see an argument that rad fem misandry motivates some troons.
 
Imagine you have to make a tweet that contains not one single true statement, the tweet will look like this:
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Imagine you have to make a tweet that contains not one single true statement, the tweet will look like this:
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Hahaha omg, those bullet points look like something that would flash on the screen dulling a Local58 broadcast while the screen glitches like it's a 90s VHS and you're watching at 3am
  • transition saves lives
  • sleeping is for open eyes
  • existing authentically is priceless
  • cognition is a lie
  • transition is an act of love
  • the mind is a tyrant
  • you are never too old to transition
  • logic is a burden
 
Hahaha omg, those bullet points look like something that would flash on the screen dulling a Local58 broadcast while the screen glitches like it's a 90s VHS and you're watching at 3am
  • transition saves lives
  • sleeping is for open eyes
  • existing authentically is priceless
  • cognition is a lie
  • transition is an act of love
  • the mind is a tyrant
  • you are never too old to transition
  • logic is a burden
I think the horrorbag is attempting to convince himself that trooning out was worth it.
He’s another Troonbonics writer - y’all. The mental fucker.
 
"Straight people need to be better! Just be better, straights!"

Fuck out of here with that shit.
Don't misunderstand me. Literally almost the entire population of the world is straight, so it isn't like there is some actual shibboleth I'm pleading to. I was just saying that almost all troons are straight people larping.
This one ruined her body before she was even 18. :(


Can someone explain what's wrong with this one's breasts?? Besides the hair.
Holy shit those are the worst, most deformed tits in all of human history. Jesus christ imagine doing that to your own body.
As someone who has frequented both genderspecial lefty feminism spaces and man-hating radfem spaces, the whole "Everything is terrible forever, the patriarchy will always want to kill you" message is a pretty depressing and defeatist attitude that can be seen in both communities and it's among the same lines as all those suicide baiters on somethingawful who want to die because trump exists. I can definitely imagine that there are insecure women out there who read all that stuff and think that they can only be safe from men by becoming men. Though that's specifically the insecure female troons with self harm issues and not the blatant horny fujos.

That being said I feel like the whole "women are on easy mode" thing is an oversimplification of something that is more complex than that. Women do get advantages in some aspects of western society but not in all aspects, and the same goes for men.
I think you've hit it on the nose. It's easy to try to be someone else when you've been convinced that who you are is by nature a victim or a perpetrator.
Besides the nightmare troons, seeing people seethe at porn and feminism being trashed here is a nice bonus. Good thread!
There's an entire thread for dunking on TERFs if that's what you want. Go there and blame women for the actions of men.
 
They haven’t even gotten to the part about how single moms are to blame!
Boy has no positive male role model. Turns troon. How did that happen?
Isn't it weird how it's never the deadbeat dads who are at fault but always the women they left behind?
Bitch isn't haaappy. Kicks his ass out. Takes his house, his car, and his kids. It's ok, though. He's gets to keep paying for them and for the parade of losers trapzing through her bedroom every night. What are the odds that his son will troon out?
 
Boy has no positive male role model. Turns troon. How did that happen?

Bitch isn't haaappy. Kicks his ass out. Takes his house, his car, and his kids. It's ok, though. He's gets to keep paying for them and for the parade of losers trapzing through her bedroom every night. What are the odds that his son will troon out?

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Can't we all agree there's a lot of factors that have resulted in today's troonery trends, including weeb and furry shit?
Oh I agree with that. @Vapewizard and @Comrade Autogynephilia got more at what I was going for.

It's not responsible for all transitions or this idea that everything is due to evil women destroying lives. But I do think the view of women as terminally oppressed and men as terminal oppressors is a contributing factor in a lot of gender-special nonsense.

One thing that troons and enbys do is strongly reinforce gender roles while claiming to be tearing them down. We see it all the time, from tweets demanding tomboys just transition already to lolcow Peter Coffin declaring himself agender because he doesn't like what he thinks it means to be a man.

So some troons - and it seems more prevalent with the young FtMs, often the ones struggling already with their sexuality - see what their gender is defined as, think it doesn't match their sense of themselves, but instead of having that change what they think their gender is capable of, instead decide that no, their body is the problem.

And a great deal of that messaging for women - emphasising that you'll never be respected, you'll never be paid enough, you're always going to suffer at the hands of men who you are being manipulated into having define your self-worth because the patriarchy is the dominant force in society and is specifically designed to hold you down - comes from other women.

Relentlessly negative, grievance studies-based views on the genders has to be having an effect on these already vulnerable children, who are inevitably already struggling with other mental and physical issues. This doesn't include the fetishists, who are more often men. But I definitely think it's a contributing factor.

It's not saying feminism is to blame, just that specific destructive, adversarial, SJW view of the world which has gotten a lot louder in recent years really isn't helping.
 
Also, don't shit on SinnersSandwich. She cute.
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Can someone explain what's wrong with this one's breasts?? Besides the hair.
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People's disbelief that this breast deformity was caused solely by binding reminds me of when I once talked to a straight woman about her decision to transition. At one point in our conversation, she made some comment like, "Well, I've already been binding long enough that my breasts are ruined so there's no going back for me, haha."

I instinctively wanted to respond with platitudes about how no body is "ruined," but I bit my tongue because in a way, she was right. She likes men, and most if not all men who aren't tranny chasers are going to be repulsed by a woman whose breasts have been destroyed like that. (At least detransitioned lesbians can date each other.) Her "rightness" didn't mean that transition was a better option, but yeah, her situation was kind of already fucked. Nothing I said would have changed that.

So I can totally believe that binding alone caused that.
 
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Oh I agree with that. @Vapewizard and @Comrade Autogynephilia got more at what I was going for.

It's not responsible for all transitions or this idea that everything is due to evil women destroying lives. But I do think the view of women as terminally oppressed and men as terminal oppressors is a contributing factor in a lot of gender-special nonsense.

One thing that troons and enbys do is strongly reinforce gender roles while claiming to be tearing them down. We see it all the time, from tweets demanding tomboys just transition already to lolcow Peter Coffin declaring himself agender because he doesn't like what he thinks it means to be a man.

So some troons - and it seems more prevalent with the young FtMs, often the ones struggling already with their sexuality - see what their gender is defined as, think it doesn't match their sense of themselves, but instead of having that change what they think their gender is capable of, instead decide that no, their body is the problem.

And a great deal of that messaging for women - emphasising that you'll never be respected, you'll never be paid enough, you're always going to suffer at the hands of men who you are being manipulated into having define your self-worth because the patriarchy is the dominant force in society and is specifically designed to hold you down - comes from other women.

Relentlessly negative, grievance studies-based views on the genders has to be having an effect on these already vulnerable children, who are inevitably already struggling with other mental and physical issues. This doesn't include the fetishists, who are more often men. But I definitely think it's a contributing factor.

It's not saying feminism is to blame, just that specific destructive, adversarial, SJW view of the world which has gotten a lot louder in recent years really isn't helping.
All I know is that I'm glad I grew up in a time where I was just bullied some for being a tomboy, and not dragged into some community that would chastise me for thinking cutting my tits off is the wrong way to handle my frustrations with feminine expectations. Fuck, what a mess things are.
 
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