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s0mbra said:
I've actually heard of that, surprisingly.

I don't want to know how they harvest pregnant horse piss.
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GOOD, BECAUSE I AM HERE TO TELL YOU WHAT NOBODY WANTS TO KNOW.

It is collected via catheter and urine bags, we don't wait for the horse to actually pee it out because it may contaminate the sample. The urine bags are quickly collected and refrigerated as hormones in urine have a tendency to break down into testosterone in room temperature.

Nykysnottrans said:
My understanding is that they are given progesterone either for some medical reason, or when their body plateaus on the estradiol and they can no longer derive any benefits from it, which is usually at about the second or third year of their HRT. AFAIK that they're put on progesterone around that time to extend the effects of the HRT as their body responds less and less to the estradiol. (Can someone confirm/debunk this please?)
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It's a combination of lazy endos + what is available in the local market. Progestrone is one of the cheapest forms of antiandrogens. For MtFs, you absolutely need antiandrogens in some shape or form at least until the gonads become less functional. In my personal experience at least, it has been more common for the troons to taper off progesterone or stop it after an orchiectomy.

The recently in-vogue method seems to be sticking an implanon up the troon's true and honest arm, an obviously extremely offlabel use. It was done commonly by that Sydney endocrinologist who had a tiff with the governing board and "retired"/flounced out at the shock and horror that an endocrinologist might have to manage actual patients instead of sticking a rod in someone's arm and telling them to fuck off for 3 years.

Incidentally, the male oral contraceptive and the recently trialled male contraceptive gel both contain progesterone without oestrogen. Semper fi to the troon volunteers. :story:
 
Popoto said:
GOOD, BECAUSE I AM HERE TO TELL YOU WHAT NOBODY WANTS TO KNOW.

It is collected via catheter and urine bags, we don't wait for the horse to actually pee it out because it may contaminate the sample. The urine bags are quickly collected and refrigerated as hormones in urine have a tendency to break down into testosterone in room temperature.
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Ok so add animal abuse to the list of fucked up shit trannies do.
Poor horses (:_(

Lefties REEEE about factory farms, but I'm sure they won't say shit about something like that
 
s0mbra said:
Ok so add animal abuse to the list of fucked up shit trannies do.
Poor horses (:_(

Lefties REEEE about factory farms, but I'm sure they won't say shit about something like that
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Oh lefties ree plenty about horses. Today's horses are shot full of hormones to bulk up on matchstick legs for a race, or kept in essentially a bubble wrapped stall for dressage.

Assuming they don't break their legs during the races and get shot, once a horse's race/dressage life is over, the well performing stallions get their sperm collected by getting them to mount or jack off into a fake horse pussy, and the mares are artificially inseminated (doing the traditional way might kill the bubblewrapped/roided up horses you see).

The mares in particular are repeatedly forced into pregnancy until their uterus prolapses (and this is when the urine is taken), then they go to the big glue factory in the sky.

The meh performing horses get sent straight to the knackery ofc. At least dressage horses aren't pumped full of god knows what, so occasionally their meat ends up suitable for human consumption. Farm horses have way too many parasites for human consumption.
 
Popoto said:
the shock and horror that an endocrinologist might have to manage actual patients instead of sticking a rod in someone's arm and telling them to fuck off for 3 years.
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Can you blame a doctor of not wanting to see a troon for years?
 
Rate me dumb, but I have been following the whole troon-topic for a while and I still don't understand why they need estrogen. What "positive" effects does it even have on a fully developed man to better help him pass as a woman? The only visible difference I've noticed are tanner stage 2 cone titties and supposedly more feminine fat distribution.
 
Starving Autist said:
Rate me dumb, but I have been following the whole troon-topic for a while and I still don't understand why they need estrogen. What "positive" effects does it even have on a fully developed man to better help him pass as a woman? The only visible difference I've noticed are tanner stage 2 cone titties and supposedly more feminine fat distribution.
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That's it, save for the latter regarding fat distribution which I'm uncertain about. Although it supposedly makes their skin softer, even if I can't really tell and I'm 90% sure that's not true.
 
Starving Autist said:
Rate me dumb, but I have been following the whole troon-topic for a while and I still don't understand why they need estrogen. What "positive" effects does it even have on a fully developed man to better help him pass as a woman? The only visible difference I've noticed are tanner stage 2 cone titties and supposedly more feminine fat distribution.
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I think the answer is pretty straightforward: If they didn't have estrogen, they wouldn't be able to fake a "second puberty", and they wouldn't be able to fully realize the extent of their AGP for underage girls. Hence all the cooming for spinning dresses, stuffed animals, tutus, hair bows, barbies...wait, what's that you say? Pubescent girls are by and large too old for all that shit? :sadwaifu:
 
I'm fairly sure that having more estrogen dries out your skin which in turn makes them age faster since none of them can be assed to learn anything about proper skincare, so they're really out there destroying their bodies and taking a decade off their life-span for ugly cone tits. wow.
 
Starving Autist said:
Rate me dumb, but I have been following the whole troon-topic for a while and I still don't understand why they need estrogen. What "positive" effects does it even have on a fully developed man to better help him pass as a woman? The only visible difference I've noticed are tanner stage 2 cone titties and supposedly more feminine fat distribution.
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It's a very good question, these people always tell us you can be trans without dysphoria or without any transition yet they all take titty skittles, according to their logic, they would be as valid with or without hormone. :\
 
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Starving Autist said:
Rate me dumb, but I have been following the whole troon-topic for a while and I still don't understand why they need estrogen. What "positive" effects does it even have on a fully developed man to better help him pass as a woman? The only visible difference I've noticed are tanner stage 2 cone titties and supposedly more feminine fat distribution.
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It's pretty much the carrot on the stick for them, troondom is a much more tantalizing cult than most because it uses tangible things like HRT to create the illusion of progress and results rather than pure conjecture
 
Starving Autist said:
Rate me dumb, but I have been following the whole troon-topic for a while and I still don't understand why they need estrogen. What "positive" effects does it even have on a fully developed man to better help him pass as a woman? The only visible difference I've noticed are tanner stage 2 cone titties and supposedly more feminine fat distribution.
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It's not just for the physical effects. There is a website out there that lists all the physical effects of HRT on a male body but I don't have the link right now, sorry, I do know that list was way longer than just fat redistribution (which as far as the male face is concerned often gives them that creepy, emaciated "concentration camp survivor" look), a softer skin and moob development. With regards to the psychiatric effects of HRT, estrogen increases the release and absorption of oxytocin in the brain. Oxytocin is known as "the love hormone", it's what gives trannies their "gender euphoria". Troons experiencing these feelings think that this is their inner woman expressing herself but it's really just a side-effect of the estrogen giving them an oxy-high. "Gender euphoria" is just a myth invented by doctors to hide the fact that they are getting trannies hooked on oxy, because your body will start to seek out the pleasant euphoric feeling, while at the same time associating it with certain gendered activities. If these gendered activities are powerful emotional activities, like having sex or masturbating while en femme, it will become a vicious circle of reinforcement in the mind.

MDMA also releases oxytocin in the brain, but MDMA is illegal. Estrogen is essentially a legal form of MDMA.
Remember what they said about OxyContin being a legal form of heroin? This is the same thing.

IMO HRT is just chemical homophobia management. They give estrogen to faggots to keep them giddy, and they give t to butches to emotionally flatline them. Estrogen makes you feel euphoric, testosterone takes away the anxiety/fear. That's all you need to know about the hormone pushing we are seeing today.

It would be interesting to see how trenders would react to a placebo drug to treat their "dysphoria", but I don't think we'll ever find out. I personally suspect they would respond the same way they react to HRT: it's never enough. They take HRT, supposedly to grow tits, feminize their faces and curve their butts and hips, but they still end up getting implants, FFS and silicone injections in their butts and hips because they are still dissatisfied with the effects of HRT. Nothing is ever good enough for them.
 
Shield Breaker said:
Weird question: would their moobs look... well, not more natural, but less freakish if they just had silicon implants?
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Depends on how tolerant one is of the artificiality of fake tits. Some people find fake tits more pleasing, many more people find them unbearably fake and unnatural. Remember also that fake tits need to be replaced every 10 years, otherwise there is the risk of leakage. I don't think most troons have the money (or the foresight really) for repeat visits to get their fake tits replaced with a new pair for every decade of their lives.
 
Nykysnottrans said:
"Gender euphoria" is just a myth invented by doctors to hide the fact that they are getting trannies hooked on oxy, because your body will start to seek out the pleasant euphoric feeling, while at the same time associating it with certain gendered activities.
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What are you talking about? I've never heard a doctor say that shit. That's some word vomit invented by Guillaume LaBelle, the Assigned Male dude.
 
Shield Breaker said:
Weird question: would their moobs look... well, not more natural, but less freakish if they just had silicon implants?
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Men don't exactly have the tissues for particularly convincing breasts to begin with, and implants generally already look fake. I don't imagine the two mix well, probably like they somehow got two baseballs stitched under their nipples. At least moobs look real, even if it's with the giant asterisk of looking like "real" moobs.
 
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_01 said:
Men don't exactly have the tissues for particularly convincing breasts to begin with, and implants generally already look fake. I don't imagine the two mix well, probably like they somehow got two baseballs stitched under their nipples.
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I knew that it wouldn't look real, but I am just asking if the slinky look is the best they can hope for.

Nykysnottrans said:
Depends on how tolerant one is of the artificiality of fake tits. Some people find fake tits more pleasing, many more people find them unbearably fake and unnatural. Remember also that fake tits need to be replaced every 10 years, otherwise there is the risk of leakage. I don't think most troons have the money (or the foresight really) for repeat visits to get their fake tits replaced with a new pair for every decade of their lives.
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Yeah, someone told me that fake ones feel like purses to the touch. I have never considered a boob job, so I have no idea what it involves.
 
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