Why liberal white women pay a lot of money to learn over dinner how they're racist

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/03/race-to-dinner-party-racism-women

A growing number of women are paying to confront their privilege – and racism – at dinners that cost $2,500

Freshly made pasta is drying on the wooden bannisters lining the hall of a beautiful home in Denver, Colorado. Fox-hunting photos decorate the walls in a room full of books. A fire is burning. And downstairs, a group of liberal white women have gathered around a long wooden table to admit how racist they are.

White women, on the other hand, are uniquely placed to challenge racism because of their proximity to power and wealth, Jackson says. “If they don’t hold these positions themselves, the white men in power are often their family, friends and partners.”

It seems unlikely anyone would voluntarily go to a dinner party in which they’d be asked, one by one, “What was a racist thing you did recently?” by two women of color, before appetizers are served. But Jackson and Rao have hardly been able to take a break since they started these dinners in the spring of 2019. So far, 15 dinners have been held in big cities across the US.

The women who sign up for these dinners are not who most would see as racist. They are well-read and well-meaning. They are mostly Democrats. Some have adopted black children, many have partners who are people of color, some have been doing work towards inclusivity and diversity for decades. But they acknowledge they also have unchecked biases. They are there because they “know [they] are part of the problem, and want to be part of the solution,” as host Jess Campbell-Swanson says before dinner starts.

Campbell-Swanson comes across as an overly keen college student applying for a prestigious internship. She can go on for days about her work as a political consultant, but when it comes to talking about racism, she chokes.

“I want to hire people of color. Not because I want to be … a white savior. I have explored my need for validation … I’m working through that … Yeah. Um … I’m struggling,” she stutters, before finally giving up.

Across from Campbell-Swanson, Morgan Richards admits she recently did nothing when someone patronizingly commended her for adopting her two black children, as though she had saved them. “What I went through to be a mother, I didn’t care if they were black,” she says, opening a window for Rao to challenge her: “So, you admit it is stooping low to adopt a black child?” And Richards accepts that the undertone of her statement is racist.

As more confessions like this are revealed, Rao and Jackson seem to press those they think can take it, while empathizing with those who can’t. “Well done for recognizing that,” Jackson says, to soothe one woman. “We are all part of the problem. We have to get comfortable with that to become part of the solution.”

Carbonara is heaped on to plates, and a sense of self-righteousness seems to wash over the eight white women. They’ve shown up, admitted their wrongdoing and are willing to change. Don’t they deserve a little pat on the back?


Erika Righter raises her tattooed forearm to her face, in despair of all of the racism she’s witnessed as a social worker, then laments how a white friend always ends phone calls with “Love you long time”.

“And what is your racism, Erika?” Rao interrupts, refusing to let her off the hook. The mood becomes tense. Another woman adds: “I don’t know you, Erika. But you strike me as being really in your head. Everything I’m hearing is from the neck up.”

Righter, a single mother, retreats before defending herself: “I haven’t read all the books. I’m new to this.”

A lot of people hate Saira Rao.

“The American flag makes me sick,” read a recent tweet of hers. Another: “White folks – before telling me that your Indian husband or wife or friend or colleague doesn’t agree with anything I say about racism or thinks I’m crazy, please Google ‘token,’ ‘internalized oppression’ and ‘gaslighting’.”

She wasn’t always this confrontational, she says. Her “awakening” began recently.

After Rao’s mother died unexpectedly a few years ago, she moved to Denver from New York to be around her best friends – a group of mostly white women from college. She wasn’t new to being the only person of color, but she was surprised to notice how they would distance themselves whenever she’d talk frankly about race.

Then, fuelled by anger at Trump’s election after she’d campaigned tirelessly for Hillary Clinton, Rao ran for Congress in 2018 against a Democratic incumbent on an anti-racist manifesto, and criticized the “pink-pussy-hat-wearing” women of the Democratic party. It was during this campaign Rao met Jackson, who works in real estate. Jackson recalls her initial impressions of Rao as “honest, and willing to call a thing a thing”.

It’s that brashness that led to Race for Dinner. Rao is done with affability. “I’d spent years trying to get through to white women with coffees and teas – massaging them, dealing with their tears, and I got nowhere. I thought, if nothing is going to work, let’s try to shake them awake.”

The genesis of Race to Dinner wasn’t straightforward. Months after a dinner discussion about race with a white friend of Jackson’s went south, Rao bumped into that friend, who had started reading Reni Eddo-Lodge’s Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race.

“She told me that the dinner had changed everything for her, and asked if we could do another,” says Rao. The friend invited other guests, Rao reluctantly agreed, then hated that second dinner, too. But then white women began flooding her inbox asking her to do it again.

In the beginning, Rao’s dinner-party tone was much more argumentative. But it left her looking less like a human and more like some kind of real-life trolling bot. Women at the dinners were always crying. Some of those dinners got out of hand – attendees have tried to place their hands on Jackson and Rao, and racial slurs have been thrown around.

“My blood pressure went up. I’d work myself up into a frenzy at every dinner. I realized [that] if I walk away feeling I am going to have a stroke, we should try a different tactic,” Rao says.

I’d work myself into a frenzy. I realized: if I walk away feeling I'm going to have a stroke, we should try a different tactic

Susan Brown attended one of those earlier dinners. She says she felt like Rao and Jackson were angry at her the whole time, without ever learning why. She found Rao needlessly provocative and mean-spirited, unaware of her own class privilege, and divisive. She felt the dinner set her up to fail.

Another previous attendee, who did not want to be named, says she found Rao to be dogmatic, and presented a distorted depiction of history, leaving out facts that do not fit her narrative. At one point, she referred to Rao as “the Trump of the alt-left”.

But even for those who complained, something has changed. Brown read White Fragility – a book released last year that posits every person partakes to some degree in racism and needs to confront that – and realized many of the things she was commending herself for needed to be re-evaluated. The book is now assigned reading for women before they can attend a dinner.

The woman who compared Rao to Trump went to a city council meeting to speak up about the death of a young black man in her area. She attributes that specifically to Jackson’s call for solidarity.

In recent months, Jackson and Rao changed the model. They didn’t want to just have women rely on them to shout at them for being racist and then go home.

“We began to expect more of them,” says Rao. That meant asking the women to speak up. To own their racism. It meant getting them to do the required reading, as well as follow-up discussions, where they decide how to do better anti-racist work.

In the conversation that followed the dinner, Campbell-Swanson, who couldn’t get her racist thoughts out, committed to writing a journal, jotting down daily decisions or thoughts that could be considered racist, and think about how to approach them differently.

Lisa Bond, who was hired because Rao and Jackson thought there would be instances when participants would feel more comfortable expressing their feelings to another white woman, says this will help her see how unmonitored thoughts can lead to systemic racism. “If our ability to spot these things increases, our ability to challenge it will increase,” says Bond.

Bond says about 65% of participants engage meaningfully in post-dinner conversations with her. But weren’t these women already doing the work? Don’t they want to speak to those women who have no intention of challenging themselves?

“There are so many people worse than us,” says Bond. “I have gotten to the point where I no longer try to pay attention to what someone else is doing. I don’t talk about the 53% [who voted for Trump] because I’m not one of them.”

What is in her power, she says, is forcing herself to talk to her sister, who did vote for Trump, even when it gets difficult. She emphasizes this work has to continue, no matter who is president.

“If Trump were impeached tomorrow and we got a new president, a lot of white liberal people will go back to living their lives just as before, and that’s what we have to prevent,” she says. “All that’s happened is we can see racism now, while before we could cover it up. That’s why we need these dinners. So when we get a new person in racism is not as obvious, we won’t just crawl back to being comfortable.”
 
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Having time to think about it some more, why not denote that money to a charity instead?

If you've got enough money to waste on stupid shit like this and feel some form of guilt, use it to actually help the less fortunate.
 
Damn women sure jumped headlong into the financial femdom kink, didnt they? Good for you ladies! Way too many men throwing money at psychotic women on the internet, needed some women to balance that out.
 
Pretty sure this is about social signaling, sorta like the decor and overly expensive house.


Like most Indians in the social sciences of academia in the west, pretty sure she's from the Brahmin caste. She never has been disadvantaged and neither were her ancestors or family back in the motherland. In fact, she and her family have always been on top, literally oppressing others in the most complete and complex societal slave system known to the world.

Isn't it amazing that one group of people can come from this background, have the immense privilege to move to the United States likely for a cushy job, to join a demographic in the U.S. that has almost double the median household income of the white majority...but because some white trash child whose entire family has likely never set foot in a university said "Thank you come again!!!" to Saira Rao in Apu-voice (just speculating here okay) and one of her rich white lady friends wore a sari to a wine lunch once, she considers herself to be on the same level as the distant progeny of the Atlantic slave trade? Why aren't black people pissed about this?
 
The women who sign up for these dinners are not who most would see as racist. They are well-read and well-meaning. They are mostly Democrats.
There you go. That's why Trump won. Because narcissist wokies are too busy trying to one-up each other and pretending that people outside their bubble don't even exist. Why would anyone want to be part of a movement where being on the correct side means you need to be excoriated more?
 
Now this is interesting, I googled "Saira Rao" and "Susan Brown" together, and it came up with this

Nothing of interest there, just an overpiced journal thing, but my gut instinct made me go to the trusty ole wayback machine and run the google URL through it to see what the page was a few years ago


Turns out Rao and Susan Brown were both fellow members of this "women entrepreneur" group, which seems to have completely rebranded itself as a fucking diary vendor in the past few years.


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TLDR its a blatant fucking "improve your business portfolio and network with awesome new people by paying over a fucktunne of money in exchange for these here magic beans" grift, and one which involves a bunch of rich women paying through the nose to meet up with eachother under the pretense of it being some empowering and woke event.....wait a minute this seems strangely familiar....

I wonder why they seem to have completely shelved this bold project in favor of selling journals you can get on amazon for five bucks....so much so that they have completely dropped all mention of this previous business strategy of theirs....

I dunno, I just find it really fuckin peculiar how all these women seem to have known eachother for years and have been helping eachother out with various grifts for all that time both in politics and business.
This sounds like a front for NXIVM, and it looks like it folded about the same time.
 
I fucking knew it with Saira Rao, she is surrounded by rich white women in Denver who don’t put up with her bullshit. Saira Rao is very wealthy and cries about racism left and right yet never mentions her privilege from her wealth. She’s lying through her fucking teeth about racism and anything she experiences, she’s mad that women don’t like her because she’s a cunt.
Maybe she is mad that the "POC" upper social class in America doesn't have as much power as her Brahmin caste back home in India
 
Maybe she is mad that the "POC" upper social class in America doesn't have as much power as her Brahmin caste back home in India
Who says they don’t have power here? Money buys everything, especially when your husband is a director at a hedge fund. It lets you stay at home and publish garbage children’s books by minorities.

She lost her election to a white woman even after she raised half a million dollars. Geee if people like Saira have no power because she’s Indian why did people (her husband’s clients) give her so much money?

This is woke snake oil, she and her husband are directly at fault for the inequalities in this country. She’s trying to buy favors from the poors by talking about race and selling “racism cures”.
 
When I pay money for black women to spit on me and call me cracker. I'm a freak with a fetish, but when women do it's woke.
They are still freaks with a fetish.

They treat brown people not like equals or people capable of the same agency and responsibility, they treat them like monkeys in a zoo.

Something you cage and look down on to preserve for their own good and pay a good amount of money for a ticket to see from the safety of a glass barrier.
 
As with all of these pathetic white apologists and the priveleged vultures that hide behind the melanin in their skin, this goes without saying:
 
This just seems like a socially acceptable way for a bunch of rich, spoiled, boring cunts to be cunts to each other in public, with an approving audience of other rich spoiled boring cunts.
 
You took the words from my mouth. It's a very strange detail in a story like this, and it feels really off that the reporter both has chosen to highlight this peculiar detail and simultaneously seems to think that it's completely normal.
It’s a very pointed phrase and if it had been written by someone with a little more nous I would have chortled and assumed that it was put there to place the people involved exactly in their place in the class system.
Or more specifically to point out the gap between where they are and where they think they are.
However, since she hasnt, it probably isnt. It’s just a clunky descriptor that she thinks says ‘upper class.’
Proper aristos are guilt free of course.
 
“And what is your racism, Erika?” Rao interrupts, refusing to let her off the hook. The mood becomes tense. Another woman adds: “I don’t know you, Erika. But you strike me as being really in your head. Everything I’m hearing is from the neck up.”

Erika needs to reach over the table and knock this bitch into next week. :mad:


The kind of womwn who pay $2,500 to be insulted by WOC priviliged enough to run such an event deserve to be insulted. While they eat fresh made pasta.

You just described Saira Rao, whose Denver home these events are held at.
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You can find more amusement in this thread, dedicated to her - https://kiwifarms.net/threads/saira...2-dinner-race2d-in-this-together-media.63157/

You know, being that India has such a problem with caste dynamics and colorism I would think that this bitch doesn't have any room to talk. She should hold a dinner for low caste women and apologise to them on behalf of the Indian race.
 
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