🦊 Furry Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

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Looks like she's claiming to be 1/2 Cherokee at that. (Which is real interesting because she also claims to be the only kid in the family that inherited any Cherokee traits. Seems... unlikely, if her mother is suddenly full-blooded Cherokee.)

Now, I might be misremembering, but I swear that when this whole thing first came up (months and months ago) she claimed she was 1/16 (and might have also claimed to be 1/16 of a second tribe, as well). She also claimed that she had no connection to her heritage, was too lazy to make 'one phone call' that would confirm the information, didn't even know what tribe it was at the time, and even said she didn't want to use it as an identifier because she was so far removed from it. But she still wanted you to know it was there. Just so you're aware. Not that it matters. But you should know. Just saying.

She's brought it up anyway. And brings it up now almost exclusively in context of (1) answering questions about it and (2) throwing it onto her label as a smokescreen against criticism. She's been evolving her protests: used to be people hated her because she was too honest and cut through the bullshit, then people hate her being being a trans-woman, now people are also racist because they hate her for being 'native' even though nobody on the goddamn planet would know that unless she brought it up.

And I'm pretty sure she only brought it up because now I've seen criticism being dismissed as, "People are saying these things about a Native transwoman lesbian!"

I mean, first of all, it is intensely disrespectful to claim you're part of a tribe without being recognized by that tribe in the first place. You can identify you're Native ancestry as, like, a cool fact about your family tree, but it's incredibly ignorant to say that it somehow makes you whatever tribe or nation you claim to be. It's one thing for Lily to claim she has Native blood or ancestry, and quite another to proclaim she is Native.

Reminds me of this old MadTV skit where a man (also extremely white) took offense to every minor slight against him because he was an octoroon and everybody was just racist.

Second, it's glaringly apparent that she's just doing it for clout. She wants to wield her labels like a cudgel (as many people in her spheres do) in order to make other people shut up because they don't want to appear racist for the crime of disagreeing with another human being. If Lily were just... say... a privileged white man ranting on YouTube*, she'd have to actually defend her points, but once you've suddenly made it about race, gender, and sexuality you can throw up all kids of shields to pretend it's just because people hate you because of what you are, not who. Even though, without making a big deal out of it, nobody would know what Lily is, just who.

And her 'who' ain't attractive no matter how many labels she scrounged up.

* Not that anybody could possibly mistake Lily for being a privileged white man indulging in a fetish and claiming it makes them multiple layers of 'protected class'. That's absurd.
 
I'm surprised the Yellizin person hasn't been blocked. Isn't that the same person who awhile back asked a question that had a very similar wording to what was being said in this thread?
 
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So here are some upcoming story arcs.
Gardevoir get banished to the friend zone realm, something stupid with Bonnie, and this next ones interesting, Lily talks to someone about Gardevoir wanting to fuck her, and they get mad at her for either refusing or enabling Gardevoir to do that (victim blaming?)Should be interesting.
And finally the thicc Gardevoir moves in, I imagine this is where the comic declines because Gardevoir and Lily won't have a relationship anymore, and the author loses interest.
 
Okay so lets get this bullshit started for chapter 4

Opening paragraphs are okay at best, Rey excitedly exploring aliana's ship even if it's inaccurate to the actual lore of the Fury class intercepter (I don't remember who of you guys shit on the depiction first, but whatever) it's described as so heavily modded that it almost feels trivial to point it out.

I don't know if it speaks to my inexperience with Star Wars Fanfiction, the quality of the sequel Trilogy's writing or what, but reys's characterization when not obsessed about aliana almost feels decent.

lot of back and forth dialogue between Rey and Aliana, mostly talking about backstory stuff detailing how Aliana has bartered to getting her ship how it is, and why she doesn't go to any of the core systems, and in a hilarious narrative move that can only be described as "lily" esplains the answer as because she dresses like a jedi and has a lightsaber on her waist.
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I'm not joking. It's hilarious because swap out the word lightsaber with "Youtube channel" and suddenly it's literally just lily.
When asked "So why don't you just not take the lightsaber with you" the answer is 'because it keeps trouble away more than it causes trouble" which I guess works.

This chapter is mostly just back and forth dialogue with Rey and Aliana. a lot of this stuff was stuff with Finn in episode 7 so it feels kinda dumb

There's a paragraph where Aliana debates breaking the hard news to Rey that her parents are gone.
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Finally something that's interesting. Aliana discloses her tragic backstory where her mom gets murdered, detailing an unprovoked attack by jedi and the jedi's padawan and killed her mother in two on one battle before trying to kill her. Details she managed to get into the fury and just ran. scene ends in them doing an emotional comforting hand touch.

So somewhere it was either deliberately left out of the first chapters or I missed it, but apparently Aliana just had Poe in a coma in the ships medbay and just decided taking him to a Resistance safehouse was a smart move. So either I'm stupid or lily deliberately withheld information in her writing. They pass Poe over to Senator in charge of the Safe house and then leave. I'm going to give credit where it's due and say that at the very least this is better than Poe just showing up at the end of episode 7 with no explanation

We transition to a scene from the perspective of Hux. Lily's hateboner for Kylo Ren is blindingly bright through the sheer level of disdain Hux has for Kylo Ren, making it sound like the first order would actually be better off with out a force user in their ranks.

Exchange between Hux and Kylo, breaks down into immediate violent manchild breakdown. I'll be honest with you, it's kind of amazing how with the one emotional outbreak from episode 7, the amount of people immediately jumping on this idea that Kylo can bearly hold in any emotion kind of gives the idea that no one really fucking gets it.

The more I read Lily's portrayal of Kylo Ren the more I get the vibe she's aiming for "Darth Helmet cosplayer, but trying to ignore the fact Spaceballs was a comedy, and somehow that makes it more funny"

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I sure hope lily has plans to make an actual antagonist for the rewrite because otherwise it's gonna be really, really boring with how little she cares about Kylo Ren, who is the primary antagonist. Also, it speaks to how little lily gives a shit about the fact that it was implied that, if not vader, than someone was talking to Ren through the helmet

We immediately swap back to Aliana and Rey
Rey has given Aliana a nickname with the justification of them being friends. Aliana blushes because gay.

a moment of near self awareness happens where Aliana subconciously makes items around her float in the air with her force powers because being near Rey makes her passion flare up, and because- Well I'm just gonna screen shot the dumb thing.
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it feels self-aware, but I can't even be sure because this is Lily Orchard we're talking about.

Rey has no idea what soup is.

Rey also doesn't know what "Gay" is. Aliana just came out to Rey.

Apparently Rey didn't even know it was an option. I know Rey spent her whole ass life on Jakku, but I didn't think she was sheltered.
Theres an short narrative bit about how lgbt people are oppressed across the hutt ran parts of the galaxy, the republic, and the first order. It feels as natural as it sounds.

Also rey inadvertently flirts with Aliana, realises it's the third time she's done it, and has no idea why she is doing it.

also there's a throw away line about kids not being named Anakin anymore in the aftermath of the empire falling and...How widely known was the name Anakin and the association to the empire?

The chapter ends

It's divergent, but cotton candy like in how insubstantial the whole thing is.

eh, whatever/10
I am amazed at the level of contempt that Lily has about the adventure genre, but she likes the characters to put them in sitcoms with a more "cute" version of their personalities AKA flanderization, she took Rey's curiosity and made her whole like that for everything, just like he took Kylo Ben fit of rage and made it his personality

and seriously she wants to convey the notion that Jedi attack someone for no apparent reason, Rey says that they are guardians of peace and she knows that Aliana has a lightsaber just put two and two together
and even more Aliana not knowing why ?? !! ??

you are Siths training with the dark side, even though you were killing remnants of the Empire it’s not worth using the dark side, because I don’t know if you know but Jedi don’t hunt Siths for sport or a simple difference of opinion, they disrupt the Force as a cancer not only killing and conquering but infecting its own cosmic energy and making the life and nature of the galaxy corrupt, the dark side is the eternal temptation of power that should never be used or causes imbalance

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she also mentions the eyes of Sith, they only activate when the Force user is hated and angry at the moment, Maul and Palpatine had them all the time because they were already deeply corrupted, but if Aliana has so much control it shouldn't be visible as well as Dooku was
PS: Kylo has never had Sith eyes
 
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I feel spited.
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I'm mad.
So, when the current arc transpires exactly as it has been stated to occur Gardevoir and the hybrid poke-child is gonna get pissy with Comic!Lily.
Which is going to result in Comic!Lily going to talk to an alternate universe version of herself from a universe that the author has declared as the "Deeply Cursed" for advice. Why?!
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because it would be funny.
 
Reading the way Lily tries to defend her "ethnicity" makes it painfully obvious how she doesn't know the difference between ancestry, ethnicity and race, which is embarassing coming from a woman who likes to larp as a woke activist willing to call out racism. All the time ignorng that claiming that your blood heritage is more relevant than Cherokee's culture and values, especially how they define themselves and their members, is deeply racist.

Edit: Mara is going to move in and there is not going to be any negative consequences at all, despite the fact Lily created this stupid world to have laws against two Gardevoir under the same roof. I think to remember it had something to do too with G being too unstable to ever allow another one of her own species close and Lily being such a negligent terrible owner she just allows it.

Not looking forward to all that set up lead to absolutely nothing just to try to solve the dramatic piece of shit Lily made. Apparently ask for G to get a healthier mindset and learn to let go is a no-no, so the obvious solution is just shove her a girlfriend and let love to cure all her problems. If that thick Gardevoir were male, some people might find offensive the implication that "love can cure mental illness", but I guess since they are "uwu lesbians!!!" that harmful estereotype is fine.
 
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Reading the way Lily tries to defend her "ethnicity" makes it painfully obvious how she doesn't know the difference between ancestry, ethnicity and race, which is embarassing coming from a woman who likes to larp as a woke activist willing to call out racism. All the time ignorng that claiming that your blood heritage is more relevant than Cherokee's culture and values, especially how they define themselves and their members, is deeply racist.
I seem to recall Jerry being this stubborn when he tried to argue that all black people come from Africa. At this point, I'm convinced that Jerry is horribly racist and is either:

1) Not aware of it.

or

2) He is aware of it, but still wants to save face by doing what he's doing now.
 
I seem to recall Jerry being this stubborn when he tried to argue that all black people come from Africa. At this point, I'm convinced that Jerry is horribly racist and is either:

1) Not aware of it.

or

2) He is aware of it, but still wants to save face by doing what he's doing now.
Frankly, I think it’s less likely she’s actually racist and more of a result of being a stupid, sheltered and spoiled white kid who’s probably only read about other races in online articles.

hyperbole aside,Lily seems more ignorant than anything, and too thick headed to realize maybe she isn’t very knowledgeable about race and ethnicity.
 
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Fuck Lily's like a living coldsteel the hedgehog meme.
This whole piece is just her self insert being better than a character she doesn't like, it's like Kylo Ren makes Lily feel inadequate.
Edit: archive site is being stupid but this of little consequence.
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Hey man, adult fans means more fans in general. Adults are more loyal and attend cons and events. And they have disposable income.
Story is different, most kids and adults button mash through it, maybe game freak just wants to make it more engaging.
 
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Frankly, I think it’s less likely she’s actually racist and more of a result of being a stupid, sheltered and spoiled white kid who’s probably only read about other races in online articles.

hyperbole aside,Lily seems more ignorant than anything, and too thick headed to realize maybe she isn’t very knowledgeable about race and ethnicity.
I think there is a difference to be made about doing racist things even without intention (because of being a stupid, lazy, spoiled kid) and being a full blown racist that is ready to argue about how black people are biologically inferior. Those two people are different and I do not think Lily is the second one, but her actions and the way she decides to defend them are still deeply problematic and inappropiate for someone that claims to be some kind of champion for wokeness. If this were just any person on social media just claiming to be Cherokee without any connection to the tribe, personally I wouldn't mind that much or at all, depending how annoying they are about it. Someone like Chris Chan claiming the same would be just another note on the list of things she does wrong, not anywhere the worst one.

But this being Lily and seeing the agressive, cruel and condescending way she treats anyone who makes the slightest mistake, most usually without intention, I'll be glad for her to be held accountable to the same standards she applies to everyone else.
 
I still find it hilarious as fuck that "It's illegal" is even a poll option regarding a potential relationship between a human and a pokemon that has sentience equivalent to a human.
Interracial marriage was also illegal until the end of the 1960s. So it make sense that you couldn't marry a nig- I mean Pokemon.
 
There's also about 10,000 romance cliches and only about 50 Fantasy cliches.
So, what I'm getting here is, that part of the reason you hate fantasy is that there are too few cliches and that you give the romance genre a pass because of the large amount of them that are there? Wouldn't this make you even more hypocritical given the sheer amount of cliches Romance has when compared to Fantasy?
 
So, what I'm getting here is, that part of the reason you hate fantasy is that there are too few cliches and that you give the romance genre a pass because of the large amount of them that are there? Wouldn't this make you even more hypocritical given the sheer amount of cliches Romance has when compared to Fantasy?
I think the argument is that since there's only fifty, there's only so many to use and mix around and it's tiring, but because there's """more"""" romance cliches, it's a lot harder to use the same combination all the time.

That's why Jerry uses all the same romance cliches all the time.
 
I think the argument is that since there's only fifty, there's only so many to use and mix around and it's tiring, but because there's """more"""" romance cliches, it's a lot harder to use the same combination all the time.

That's why Jerry uses all the same romance cliches all the time.
I see. This is really just him making up yet another excuse then.
 
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I don't know or care enough about gender and biology, but the advice of "just let violence happen to this person so they stop disagreeing with you" is about as terrible as ever for Lily. She says this guy thinks science agrees him, but doesn't think science can actually convince him otherwise.

As a side note I'd love to see how Lily fares in an argument that requires sources, and I mean actual sources not a one off link followed by radio silence.
 
I think the argument is that since there's only fifty, there's only so many to use and mix around and it's tiring, but because there's """more"""" romance cliches, it's a lot harder to use the same combination all the time.

That's why Jerry uses all the same romance cliches all the time.
That's exactly what she's trying to imply.

But holy shit her whole thing is such an ignorant statement.

How does she have the gall to give people writing advice when she's this goddamn ignorant about something so simple?

Fantasy cliches are not just about the world. While there are certainly worldbuilding cliches that usually go along with 'fantasy' as a genre (which is a problem that's not exclusive to fantasy), there are also story beats that are common in fantasy. There are absolutely character archetypes and cliches that are common in fantasy.

Knights, damsels in distress, well-meaning but goofy sidekicks? Chivalrous heroes, scheming advisers, dark wizards? Plucky orphans whose home towns are burned to the ground? Stories that are oftentimes defined by the Hero's Journey? An inevitable romance between the leading lord and lady?

Fantasy as a genre is absolutely rife with its own cliches about every aspect of storytelling, just as any other genre. This is obviously Lily's hateboner for 'lore' and 'worldbuilding' rearing its head and I actually had a long conversation with a friend about this not too long ago. Fantasy has a somewhat unique problem in that, because you're defining a whole new world, a fantasy author has to set aside page space to explain how that world works. It's easy to fall into the worldbuilding cliches of fantasy and just use that as a generic backdrop to make it easier to get to the character aspects; it's also really easy for a fantasy author to get so wrapped up in their world that what should be set dressing winds up taking over. The characters become a vehicle for seeing the world instead of the world being a playground for the characters.

Thing is... there's nothing really wrong with that. I myself much prefer character-driven plots, but I've also had fun where the plot felt like kind of an excuse to just see a really cool world that was built (this is more common in visual media than literature, of course-- it's one thing to see a spectacle play out in front of you and quite another to drudge through three pages of description when your ultimate conclusion comes down to "Think of a generic castle but it's partially built into a hill.") You know why Harry Potter -- a fantasy-flavored boarding school series -- works the way it does? Part of it is that people like the characters; part of it is that each book is a mystery and people like to solve mysteries; and part of is that people want to go to Hogwarts because that world is so cool to them.

People want to live in a galaxy far, far away because the world of Star Wars appeals to them.

People want to go to Middle Earth.

People want to be Pokemon trainers.

I mean...

Why did Lily decide to put her comic in the Pokemon universe instead of, say, a modern-day setting where the problem with Lily and G being together is more grounded in reality? Like Lily and G really are just best friends but one of them wants to be more but the other one doesn't feel that way? Or why does she decide to put her OC in Star Wars instead of making up her own story with similar beats that takes place on modern-day Earth? Why is Tales of the Val'kyr about a bunch of space-angel-zombie Amazon women ripped from Warcraft killing God when you could just as easily have it be about a military hierarchy in an isolated, female-dominated nation waging war against an oppressive government or hostile border nation?

Obviously she wanted those fantasy aspects. She wants to be a Sith Dark Lord, she wants her Valkyries and all their magical powers, she wants to fuck a Gardevoir have a Gardevoir that wants to fuck her. As ever, fantasy is only bad when it's not the kind of fantasy she wants to indulge.

I find this railing against 'fantasy cliches' especially interesting when her own attempt at demanding a 'fantasy story' was explicitly outlined to be 'generic fantasy'. The thing she's said she hates about fantasy before is the worldbuilding and how some people do get up their own ass about their fantasy world and bogging it down with lord and worldbuilding. So which is it, Lily? Do you hate fantasy cliches about the worldbuilding, or do you hate it when people try to break from those cliches?

And all of this is, of course, ignoring the fact that a lot of fantasy does just settle into comfortable cliches and tell comfortable stories that you expect from a fantasy setting. Genre is about more than set dressing-- when you pick up a fantasy book you kind of have expectations about how it's going to play out, whether it's a more personal story or an epic quest. There's just a particular feel and particular comfort to genre fiction that people crave. You don't go up to a fantasy fan and hear them talk about how they pick up pulp fantasy for ThE WoRlDbUiLdInG, you hear about how they want heroes who are heroes who go out and fight monsters.

And that's just pulp fantasy, the Sturgeon's Law 90% Is Crap Fantasy, popcorn fantasy. A lot of fantasy stories have much more complicated, character-driven stories, especially in a day and age where A Song of Ice and Fire/A Game of Thrones has redefined part of the landscape. Now there's worldbuilding, yes, but there's also character drama and political intrigue. Plenty of fantasy stories these days also follow rote plotlines but get away with having enjoyable or unusual characters that, while the base narrative might be 'generic fantasy', elevate it to a whole other level.

Thing about 'fantasy' as a genre (which is similar to sci-fi, really) is that the fundamental plot -- while there are definitely fantasy conventions -- can actually be just about anything; it's defined by the fantastical nature of the world it takes place in rather than the beats of the story. One fantasy story can be about an epic journey to immolate a piece of jewelry; another can be about a father trying to find a cure for his terminally ill daughter.

It's the inverse for a genre like romance. Romance does have a benefit of not being bound to particular world expectations-- you can have a grounded romance in modern-day reality, a romance that takes place in a fantasy world, a romance on a space ship, a romance centering around funny animals (I'm thinking animated kids movies with animal protagonists, not furry stuff. Unfortunately I'm now thinking of furry stuff.), an urban fantasy supernatural romance. And Lily does kinda-sorta have a point in that romance, by its nature, is driven by characters because that's the very definition of the genre.

But romance is just as stagnant -- if not moreso -- than most other genres. The thing about romance is that the way people diversify a romance story is almost entirely in that setting, and appealing to people who like a particular setting. You're going to be hitting almost the exact same beats depending on what kind of romance you're dealing with, except the love interest is a cowboy in this one, or a banker in this one, or a Scottish highland rogue in this one. And fantasy is a genre where you can have a good time walking down the aisle and seeing these exact delineations. If you're into cowboys, there's thirty Harlequin Romance novels right there to indulge you and your love for cowboys, and they'll even narrow down what kind of romantic fantasy you're interested in. You want to be a single mother with two kids who's swept away by a hot cattle rancher that just moved in to the acreage next door? There are at least three books that will indulge you in particular.

And no, there are certainly not '10,000' cliches. There are a finite number of standard 'romance plots' and honestly a finite way you can go about carrying out a dedicated romance. There are only so many conflicts that can spur on a romance unless your entire book is just fluff, in which case all you're writing is fluffy scenes where the two characters happen to be in love.

As with any book, of course, a bog-standard romance plot can be made more interesting in how the characters are treated. I'm not a fan of romance, but I've stumbled on a few romances where the characters were so charming it was hard not to get wrapped up and rooting for them.

Which is, again, something that can happen with any genre, and honestly is more likely to happen in something that isn't romance because romance has very particular beats that adhere it to very specific storylines.

Of course, it all comes down to the fact that Lily has very specific tastes and can't grok that things can be good without specifically appealing to her.

As I said, I don't like the romance genre as a whole, but I get why it appeals to people and I don't begrudge anybody who happens to like to relax to romance novels and indulge in comfortable cliches. My not liking a genre doesn't mean it's bad, it just means it doesn't resonate for me. And I can still acknowledge when something is good, even if it isn't normally I would enjoy. But Lily is convinced that she's the absolute arbiter of good taste; if she says fantasy as a genre is bad because she doesn't like certain examples of it then it's bad, and if she says that repetitive lesbian romance is an enlightened genre above reproach then it's absolutely the only thing anybody else should ever write.

And if she has to make broad, blatantly ignorant statements to bolster her opinion, so be it.
 
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I don't know or care enough about gender and biology, but the advice of "just let violence happen to this person so they stop disagreeing with you" is about as terrible as ever for Lily. She says this guy thinks science agrees him, but doesn't think science can actually convince him otherwise.

As a side note I'd love to see how Lily fares in an argument that requires sources, and I mean actual sources not a one off link followed by radio silence.

this conversation is so out of context in bad faith that Lily would give any advice to Anon as bias as she is ridiculous.

the guy may just be having a discussion out of curiosity and Anon is just so bad at arguing that he gets annoyed when he loses the line of reasoning, but of course he is already assumed to be transphobic and of course violence will solve the problem and not encourage the trans steriotype

it is the same discussion with Contrapoints of just wanting a greater commitment and rationality from the trans community so that the Right Wing takes them seriously and Lily says that it is only necessary to say that it is trans to demand respect without expecting consequences and questioning, not to mention that science says it is a mental illness that can be proven and transitional surgery changes its appearance and genitalia not its chromosomes, it changes gender but not sex
 
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