Opinion The Dangerous Rise Of Men Who Won’t Date “Woke” Women

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The word "irrespective" means saying or doing something without taking anything else into account. For example: "Irrespective of the fact that the cost of living has jumped, putting pressure on many people, the government ploughed on with Brexit and argued that there would be no real economic impact."

So it is fitting that white man of the moment, Laurence Fox – who appeared on the BBC’s Question Time programme and told a BAME audience member that Meghan Markle has not been on the receiving end of racism before subsequently appearing on the cover of The Sunday Times to tell the world that he does not "date woke women" and then displaying an appalling understanding of history by calling the inclusion of a Sikh soldier in Sam Mendes' film 1917 "incongruous" – has "irrespective" tattooed on his arm.

Did you hear that at the back, ladies? Laurence Fox – who you perhaps only knew as Billie Piper’s ex-husband because you’ve never seen Lewis (what?) – does not date "woke" women who he believes are being taught that they are "victims", irrespective of whether they are right or not. He thinks that it’s "institutionally racist" to tell the story of the First World War in a racially diverse way, irrespective of the fact that Sikh soldiers absolutely fought for Britain. And he also doesn’t believe in white privilege, irrespective of the fact that he works in a painfully undiverse industry, was privately educated and comes from a wealthy acting family which is nothing short of a dynasty.


Fox is denying racism and sexism, irrespective of whether or not they exist. It’s nothing short of gaslighting. It’s all very Donald Trump. And as you would expect, the whole debacle has lit a fire under anti-woke poster boy Piers Morgan while gaining Fox thousands of extra Twitter followers.

I could go over all the things he’s said; I could use data to prove how wrong he is; I could express concern for his mental health (after all, who really enjoys arguing on Twitter?); I could make jokes about his behaviour. But all of that would be to seriously miss the point.

There’s nothing funny about the things Fox – or Wokey McWokeface as he now wants to be known – is saying. It’s also not particularly sad. It’s dangerous. He is just one very privileged man, and as a result of said privilege, has been given a platform. And he has used that platform to legitimise a bigger backlash against diversity and progress which is unfolding every single day in less public corners of the internet.

Not wanting to date "woke" women, far from being laughable, is actually one of the more insidious aspects of it. Spend an afternoon on any major dating app and you’ll come across (generally white) men saying openly sexist and misogynistic things. They might say "no psychos" or that they "fucking hate big eyebrows" in their bios. And, by and large, they also tend to hold extremely right-wing views and see themselves as victims of liberal thinking.

In fact, as I was writing this, a dear friend sent me a screenshot of a guy she’s just matched with who describes Jordan B Peterson as his "dream dinner guest". Yes, the same Jordan B Peterson who thinks that white privilege is a "Marxist lie" and wants millennials to drop their obsession with "social justice".

I, meanwhile, recently had to block someone who after matching with me launched into a vile rant about how women are "evil", "only want sex" and treat men as though they are "disposable". When I asked him if he hated women he replied that he had "only moderate disdain" for us before asking me whether I didn’t want to date him because I’m actually "pretty rough".


All of this, of course, speaks not only to the presence of the very active online communities of anti-feminist incels but to the prevalence of the hideous and incorrect ideas they promote. It doesn’t take magical thinking to see how men are radicalised by anti-feminism. As the saying goes: "When you’re used to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

The reactionary influence of these ideas doesn’t stop at dating, though. As the campaign group Hope Not Hate reported last year, a hostility towards feminism is feeding directly into far-right movements online. They found that a third of young British people today believe that feminism is marginalising or demonising men and warned that these beliefs were a "slip road" to other far-right ideas.

This isn’t just speculation. We know that the number of far-right referrals to the British government’s deradicalisation scheme Prevent has dramatically increased recently. In the year from 2017/18 they jumped by 36%, while referrals for Islamism actually decreased by 14%.

Last year he released an album called A Grief Observed which is largely about his acrimonious split from Piper. When The Times interviewed him about it he turned up wearing a pro-Donald Trump MAGA (Make America Great Again) cap and said it was a "social experiment". He then told the interviewer that he spent a lot of his time watching YouTube interviews which had "totally radicalised" him and caused him to embark on a "crusade against woke culture and political correctness." He wanted, he said, to call one of the songs "Me Too" but was prevented by his record label.

Fox is a case in point that what might start as playing devil’s advocate by wandering the streets in a MAGA cap to provoke "hipsters" can quickly turn into something more sinister.

The far right itself can be difficult to pin down because it isn’t exactly a coherent global movement with a concrete set of ideas. It largely exists online, in Facebook groups, as Twitter accounts, on YouTube and anonymous message boards such as 8chan. But every now and then, their bile spills out dangerously into the offline world.

In 2016 the Labour MP Jo Cox was murdered by far-right terrorist Thomas Mair who, 25 years before he killed her, told a far-right magazine that the "white race" faced a long and very bloody struggle. And it was 8chan that hosted the manifestos of three mass shooters who killed scores of people last year: the El Paso shooter (who left 20 people dead and many more wounded only a couple of weeks ago), the Poway shooter (who opened fire at a synagogue in California last April) and the Christchurch shooter (who killed 51 people at two mosques in New Zealand last March).

Laurence Fox, whether he realises it or not, has just landed the biggest part of his life. He is legitimising hatred and division. And yet he cannot be completely unaware of the role he plays; he has spoken about being 'radicalised' himself on YouTube.

Susan Faludi wrote about the link between violence, anger and anti-feminism prophetically in her book Backlash: The Undeclared War Against American Women back in 1991. Long before the turbulent times which have seen the rise to power of two male caricatures – Donald Trump to the office of US president and the accession of Boris Johnson as our prime minister – she warned:

"When an attack on home soil causes cultural paroxysms that have nothing to do with the attack, when we respond to real threats to our nation by distrusting ourselves with imagined threats to femininity and family life, when we invest our leaders with a cartoon masculinity and require of them bluster in lieu of a capacity for rational calculation, and when we blame our frailty in ‘fifth column’ feminists – in short, when we base our security on a mythical male strength that can only increase itself against a mythical female weakness – we should know that we are exhibiting the symptoms of a lethal, albeit curable, cultural affliction."

She added: "When the enemy has no face, society will invent one." For men like Fox, who feel they have been wronged somehow, that they are missing out on opportunities because, for once in history, they are being given to other people, women and people of colour become the enemy.

“When the enemy has no face, society will invent one.
SUSAN FALUDI, BACKLASH: THE UNDECLARED WAR AGAINST AMERICAN WOMEN”

You can see it in the abuse and threats received by women MPs and in the wildly different treatment of Meghan Markle and Kate Middleton. While Middleton, who generally keeps herself to herself and says little, has become a pinup heroine for traditionalists, Markle, who has spoken openly about sexism and racism, trying to use her platform for good, has been – quite literally – driven out of the country, condemned for being an outspoken snowflake.

Make no mistake, the far right is already capitalising on Fox’s words, gassing him up and turning him into an icon. He has added to their backlash and given it oxygen. Every time he is invited onto a TV or radio show to talk about it, that oxygen will cause the backlash to burn hotter and faster, irrespective of whether we’re watching or not. It’s important not to trivialise this anti-woke, anti-women backlash. In the end, it’s only by paying attention to it that we can understand it and do something about it.
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According to feminist writer Vicky Spratt, men not wanting to date ‘woke’ women is an “insidious” trend that could lead to the radicalization of terrorists.

In an article for Vice Media outlet Refinery29, Spratt gets all worked up about Laurence Fox, the British actor who recently triggered a monumental hissy fit by daring to suggest that the UK was not a racist country and that “white privilege” doesn’t exist.

Fox has given several interviews in which he explains how he refuses to date ‘woke’ women who are obsessed with political correctness. He even said he dumped his girlfriend last year because she praised Gillette’s insufferable “toxic masculinity” commercial.

According to Spratt, Fox’s dating choices are part of an “insidious” societal trend that will inevitably lead to women being killed by terrorists.

“There’s nothing funny about the things Fox – or Wokey McWokeface as he now wants to be known – is saying. It’s also not particularly sad. It’s dangerous. He is just one very privileged man, and as a result of said privilege, has been given a platform. And he has used that platform to legitimise a bigger backlash against diversity and progress which is unfolding every single day in less public corners of the internet,” she writes.

Spratt then goes on to cite the killing of Labour MP Jo Cox by right-wing terrorist Thomas Mair as well as the Christchurch shooting and the El Paso shooting, despite the fact that none of these shootings had anything to do with anti-feminism or hatred of women.

Spratt’s actual grievance appears to stem from the fact that she is personally struggling to find a boyfriend (most likely because of her God-awful woke opinions) and is resentful towards Fox for touching a raw nerve.

“Spend an afternoon on any major dating app and you’ll come across (generally white) men saying openly sexist and misogynistic things,” whines Spratt (because of course she’s single and obviously bitter about it), before going on to suggest she isn’t having much luck with the dating scene.

Meanwhile, Lawrence Fox is presumably doing just fine because real women are not attracted to low testosterone pussies who spend all day consuming soy products and apologizing for their white privilege.
 
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"When men are mad at women it's men's fault, when women are mad at men it's men's fault" is something that far predates woke socjus culture. It's just that now that culture has an active hand in rewarding women for being women and punishing men for being men so articles like this get greenlit more.
 
These woke feminists like to preach there is consequences for your actions to evil cis men then get upset when people hold them accountable for their shitty actions and views.

Why would anyone sane want to date a woke feminist? You’d have to hear about how awful “cis white men” are, “toxic masculinity”, “patriarchy”, the “isms” constantly. What a horrible relationship and constantly worrying if you didn’t get consent triple signed and notarized.
 
I, meanwhile, recently had to block someone who after matching with me launched into a vile rant about how women are "evil", "only want sex" and treat men as though they are "disposable". When I asked him if he hated women he replied that he had "only moderate disdain" for us before asking me whether I didn’t want to date him because I’m actually "pretty rough".

She found Marjan?
 
It's an entire generation of women who are Veruca Salt....

It will probably work itself out though. Each sex won't tolerate it from the other. Though the current generation may be sacrificed to learn the lesson..
We tend to look back into history, see things our predecessors on this planet did, and identify the things they did that were truly shitty and awful. They're the things that make us say, "My god, how could they do that? What were they thinking? Because that was just insanely cruel/inhumane/unjust/counterproductive."

Unfortunately, we're shit at looking at our own times--right here, right now--and asking ourselves, "What will our descendants make of this, after we're all long dead? Will they thank us for our foresight, compassion, and willingness to make personal sacrifices to improve society? Or will they look back at us and say, 'As bad as the world is right now, at least we're not doing that any more. Holy shit, those people were insane.'"

I think about that a lot these days, because there is just so much fodder for that line of thought--including this article, and everything behind it.

That said, Laurence Fox is probably a total wanker, but he's not apologizing for his own existence or shouldering any burdens of unearned guilt, so I would definitely have sex with him.
 
It's like Deep Thought finally came up with something that'd deserve "I wouldn't even rape you" as a reply.

Oh no, some man WILL fuck them. That's not the issue, not a hard hurdle for women...

Not alot of men want to be in a relationship with them. Especially, the desirable ones. That's where most of bitching is...

I feel incel and the female equivalent are inverse problems(femcel doesn't really work)...
And some woman will fuck a male incel. There are single mothers so cock-starved they'd let a pedo rape their children if they can also get a pity fuck.

Everyone can get laid, and everyone has standards. Women's safety and security threshold is higher (they risk violence and loss of status if they go trolling for random dick), but if you're willing to accept the equivalent risk, you can fuck a genderblob softboi with chin pubes or a syphilitic methhead.
 
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Lmao hoes mad.

Oh no men won't date psychotic harpies who can't stop shrieking about orangemanbad, lecturing about privilege, trying to bring in other partners, and who could retroactively revoke consent at any time. Clearly this is a sign of Nazi takeover!
 
Because woke women are unfuckable hags. They don't want to die alone so they write this article. But they still have astronomical standards and are superficial as fuck.

What they mean is hot men aren't interested in them because they're not beta bitches who will do anything at their beck and call.
 
Lol like there’s a queue of people wanting to date a guy that Billie Piper literally cuckolded and then liberated of his net wealth in the ensuing divorce. He’s spaffed out some sub-Ryan Adams noodlings about how mean Billie’s mum was to him and how he doesn’t have any money left and ohhh his man feelings.

Let’s not hysterically react to the ponderings of an emotionally incontinent beta cuck. Only men deserve to be taken seriously.
 
Words made meaningless in the last 5 years:

Racist, nazi, violence, harm, and to that now add "dangerous".
 
these Woke women could easily date incel men if they wanted too but they only wanted alpha males and alpha males are too good to want to date a woke woman.

So the incel man stays a Virgin forever, and the alpha male hit it and quit it with the woke woman and now she is mad he won’t date her
 
Jesus, they still think the "male feminist" dating strategy works?
It must have worked for Ron Toye.
these Woke women could easily date incel men if they wanted too but they only wanted alpha males and alpha males are too good to want to date a woke woman.

So the incel man stays a Virgin forever, and the alpha male hit it and quit it with the woke woman and now she is mad he won’t date her
So all this "positivity" resulted in ugly (inside or out) women having an unrealistic self-image and therefore developing standards that are too high for them?
 
It must have worked for Ron Toye.

So all this "positivity" resulted in ugly (inside or out) women having an unrealistic self-image and therefore developing standards that are too high for them?
It's the result of the "positivity" generation..

Even as adults, they need constant affirmations on how wonderful they are...

It's the very antithesis of "strong"....

Ironically, though they can be gladly showered with compliments: They shun advice or constructive criticism.

Then when they fail, they blame others for their shortcomings. It's truly remarkable...
 
I think we have reached a point where the term woke is a joke. It has lost any real meaning it might have had due to articles like this crying that no one will date you because you can't stop REEEEEing. :roll:

Has it ever occured to you that you are an insufferable bitch who only has friends because the woke hivemind likes congregate like social insects?

Not wanting to date "woke" women, far from being laughable, is actually one of the more insidious aspects of it. Spend an afternoon on any major dating app and you’ll come across (generally white) men saying openly sexist and misogynistic things. They might say "no psychos" or that they "fucking hate big eyebrows" in their bios.

I didnot know that not wanting to date women with mental problems or big eyebrows was sexist or misogynistic. Of course, given the hillarity ot Vicky Spratt's eyebrows and her crazy ranting this much be a personal thing.

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I don't think it's her wokeness that puts off men, so much as her complete lack of tits (and presence of feminine penis)

Is she a he? I got transvibes from the face but she just might be ugly.
 
Oh no, some man WILL fuck them. That's not the issue, not a hard hurdle for women...

Not alot of men want to be in a relationship with them. Especially, the desirable ones. That's where most of bitching is...

I feel incel and the female equivalent are inverse problems(femcel doesn't really work)...

But, both attracting similar types of people...

Which is more pathetic? Hard to say

Both are resentful and hateful. But, incels also have quite a bit of self loathing, cause they do have some self awareness.

The ladies, on the other hand, tend to escape into complete self delusion. Probably manifesting with accountability issues many women aren't equipped with...
It's what I've always said on how we shouldn't call most femcels "femcels" due to how women in general play on Easy Mode when it comes to getting laid (regardless of the quality of said lay), but they should just be referred to as "Three Baggers"

A bag for her head, a second bag for the head of the guy fucking her and a third bag for the head of whatever poor soul that just so happens to walk in on them
 
Eh, most women aren't "woke". God, I hate these fucking terms, all of them...

Most women/like most men only care about their sphere of interest.

Women may spout off some faddish social nonsense, occasionally. But, that's flleeting horseshit that most don't give a shit about in a day.

The true believers are very fucking small....
One thing I’ve noticed is that most normal people will just offhandedly agree with woke talking points, simply because they either 1. can’t be bothered to get in an argument about it or 2. are afraid of being ostracized for having un-woke opinions. Nowadays, I just operate under the assumption that everyone who isn’t openly and obviously “woke” is merely trying their best to hide their power level.

Anyways, this is the same logic as blaming “woke” movies’ failure on audiences being -ists and -phobes, and not the movie being total shit.
 
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