Opinion The Dangerous Rise Of Men Who Won’t Date “Woke” Women

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The word "irrespective" means saying or doing something without taking anything else into account. For example: "Irrespective of the fact that the cost of living has jumped, putting pressure on many people, the government ploughed on with Brexit and argued that there would be no real economic impact."

So it is fitting that white man of the moment, Laurence Fox – who appeared on the BBC’s Question Time programme and told a BAME audience member that Meghan Markle has not been on the receiving end of racism before subsequently appearing on the cover of The Sunday Times to tell the world that he does not "date woke women" and then displaying an appalling understanding of history by calling the inclusion of a Sikh soldier in Sam Mendes' film 1917 "incongruous" – has "irrespective" tattooed on his arm.

Did you hear that at the back, ladies? Laurence Fox – who you perhaps only knew as Billie Piper’s ex-husband because you’ve never seen Lewis (what?) – does not date "woke" women who he believes are being taught that they are "victims", irrespective of whether they are right or not. He thinks that it’s "institutionally racist" to tell the story of the First World War in a racially diverse way, irrespective of the fact that Sikh soldiers absolutely fought for Britain. And he also doesn’t believe in white privilege, irrespective of the fact that he works in a painfully undiverse industry, was privately educated and comes from a wealthy acting family which is nothing short of a dynasty.


Fox is denying racism and sexism, irrespective of whether or not they exist. It’s nothing short of gaslighting. It’s all very Donald Trump. And as you would expect, the whole debacle has lit a fire under anti-woke poster boy Piers Morgan while gaining Fox thousands of extra Twitter followers.

I could go over all the things he’s said; I could use data to prove how wrong he is; I could express concern for his mental health (after all, who really enjoys arguing on Twitter?); I could make jokes about his behaviour. But all of that would be to seriously miss the point.

There’s nothing funny about the things Fox – or Wokey McWokeface as he now wants to be known – is saying. It’s also not particularly sad. It’s dangerous. He is just one very privileged man, and as a result of said privilege, has been given a platform. And he has used that platform to legitimise a bigger backlash against diversity and progress which is unfolding every single day in less public corners of the internet.

Not wanting to date "woke" women, far from being laughable, is actually one of the more insidious aspects of it. Spend an afternoon on any major dating app and you’ll come across (generally white) men saying openly sexist and misogynistic things. They might say "no psychos" or that they "fucking hate big eyebrows" in their bios. And, by and large, they also tend to hold extremely right-wing views and see themselves as victims of liberal thinking.

In fact, as I was writing this, a dear friend sent me a screenshot of a guy she’s just matched with who describes Jordan B Peterson as his "dream dinner guest". Yes, the same Jordan B Peterson who thinks that white privilege is a "Marxist lie" and wants millennials to drop their obsession with "social justice".

I, meanwhile, recently had to block someone who after matching with me launched into a vile rant about how women are "evil", "only want sex" and treat men as though they are "disposable". When I asked him if he hated women he replied that he had "only moderate disdain" for us before asking me whether I didn’t want to date him because I’m actually "pretty rough".


All of this, of course, speaks not only to the presence of the very active online communities of anti-feminist incels but to the prevalence of the hideous and incorrect ideas they promote. It doesn’t take magical thinking to see how men are radicalised by anti-feminism. As the saying goes: "When you’re used to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

The reactionary influence of these ideas doesn’t stop at dating, though. As the campaign group Hope Not Hate reported last year, a hostility towards feminism is feeding directly into far-right movements online. They found that a third of young British people today believe that feminism is marginalising or demonising men and warned that these beliefs were a "slip road" to other far-right ideas.

This isn’t just speculation. We know that the number of far-right referrals to the British government’s deradicalisation scheme Prevent has dramatically increased recently. In the year from 2017/18 they jumped by 36%, while referrals for Islamism actually decreased by 14%.

Last year he released an album called A Grief Observed which is largely about his acrimonious split from Piper. When The Times interviewed him about it he turned up wearing a pro-Donald Trump MAGA (Make America Great Again) cap and said it was a "social experiment". He then told the interviewer that he spent a lot of his time watching YouTube interviews which had "totally radicalised" him and caused him to embark on a "crusade against woke culture and political correctness." He wanted, he said, to call one of the songs "Me Too" but was prevented by his record label.

Fox is a case in point that what might start as playing devil’s advocate by wandering the streets in a MAGA cap to provoke "hipsters" can quickly turn into something more sinister.

The far right itself can be difficult to pin down because it isn’t exactly a coherent global movement with a concrete set of ideas. It largely exists online, in Facebook groups, as Twitter accounts, on YouTube and anonymous message boards such as 8chan. But every now and then, their bile spills out dangerously into the offline world.

In 2016 the Labour MP Jo Cox was murdered by far-right terrorist Thomas Mair who, 25 years before he killed her, told a far-right magazine that the "white race" faced a long and very bloody struggle. And it was 8chan that hosted the manifestos of three mass shooters who killed scores of people last year: the El Paso shooter (who left 20 people dead and many more wounded only a couple of weeks ago), the Poway shooter (who opened fire at a synagogue in California last April) and the Christchurch shooter (who killed 51 people at two mosques in New Zealand last March).

Laurence Fox, whether he realises it or not, has just landed the biggest part of his life. He is legitimising hatred and division. And yet he cannot be completely unaware of the role he plays; he has spoken about being 'radicalised' himself on YouTube.

Susan Faludi wrote about the link between violence, anger and anti-feminism prophetically in her book Backlash: The Undeclared War Against American Women back in 1991. Long before the turbulent times which have seen the rise to power of two male caricatures – Donald Trump to the office of US president and the accession of Boris Johnson as our prime minister – she warned:

"When an attack on home soil causes cultural paroxysms that have nothing to do with the attack, when we respond to real threats to our nation by distrusting ourselves with imagined threats to femininity and family life, when we invest our leaders with a cartoon masculinity and require of them bluster in lieu of a capacity for rational calculation, and when we blame our frailty in ‘fifth column’ feminists – in short, when we base our security on a mythical male strength that can only increase itself against a mythical female weakness – we should know that we are exhibiting the symptoms of a lethal, albeit curable, cultural affliction."

She added: "When the enemy has no face, society will invent one." For men like Fox, who feel they have been wronged somehow, that they are missing out on opportunities because, for once in history, they are being given to other people, women and people of colour become the enemy.

“When the enemy has no face, society will invent one.
SUSAN FALUDI, BACKLASH: THE UNDECLARED WAR AGAINST AMERICAN WOMEN”

You can see it in the abuse and threats received by women MPs and in the wildly different treatment of Meghan Markle and Kate Middleton. While Middleton, who generally keeps herself to herself and says little, has become a pinup heroine for traditionalists, Markle, who has spoken openly about sexism and racism, trying to use her platform for good, has been – quite literally – driven out of the country, condemned for being an outspoken snowflake.

Make no mistake, the far right is already capitalising on Fox’s words, gassing him up and turning him into an icon. He has added to their backlash and given it oxygen. Every time he is invited onto a TV or radio show to talk about it, that oxygen will cause the backlash to burn hotter and faster, irrespective of whether we’re watching or not. It’s important not to trivialise this anti-woke, anti-women backlash. In the end, it’s only by paying attention to it that we can understand it and do something about it.
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According to feminist writer Vicky Spratt, men not wanting to date ‘woke’ women is an “insidious” trend that could lead to the radicalization of terrorists.

In an article for Vice Media outlet Refinery29, Spratt gets all worked up about Laurence Fox, the British actor who recently triggered a monumental hissy fit by daring to suggest that the UK was not a racist country and that “white privilege” doesn’t exist.

Fox has given several interviews in which he explains how he refuses to date ‘woke’ women who are obsessed with political correctness. He even said he dumped his girlfriend last year because she praised Gillette’s insufferable “toxic masculinity” commercial.

According to Spratt, Fox’s dating choices are part of an “insidious” societal trend that will inevitably lead to women being killed by terrorists.

“There’s nothing funny about the things Fox – or Wokey McWokeface as he now wants to be known – is saying. It’s also not particularly sad. It’s dangerous. He is just one very privileged man, and as a result of said privilege, has been given a platform. And he has used that platform to legitimise a bigger backlash against diversity and progress which is unfolding every single day in less public corners of the internet,” she writes.

Spratt then goes on to cite the killing of Labour MP Jo Cox by right-wing terrorist Thomas Mair as well as the Christchurch shooting and the El Paso shooting, despite the fact that none of these shootings had anything to do with anti-feminism or hatred of women.

Spratt’s actual grievance appears to stem from the fact that she is personally struggling to find a boyfriend (most likely because of her God-awful woke opinions) and is resentful towards Fox for touching a raw nerve.

“Spend an afternoon on any major dating app and you’ll come across (generally white) men saying openly sexist and misogynistic things,” whines Spratt (because of course she’s single and obviously bitter about it), before going on to suggest she isn’t having much luck with the dating scene.

Meanwhile, Lawrence Fox is presumably doing just fine because real women are not attracted to low testosterone pussies who spend all day consuming soy products and apologizing for their white privilege.
 
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Woke people are exhausting and dating is a lot of work as it is. Can't blame people for not wanting companions who only drag the mood down and refuse to discern an appropriate audience from an inappropriate one.
I had a lot of woke friends and it was like walking on eggshells to not piss them off. (Which eventually happened anyways)
 
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I don't think it's her wokeness that puts off men, so much as her complete lack of tits (and presence of feminine penis)
 
Isn't this the birth of true Femcel movement ?

When can we expect terrorist attack by some supreme lady .

We are getting to the point, we are trying to turn men into women and women into men. Predictably, it's failing magnificently...

Both suck at being the other. So, the result is overgrown man children, perpetually stuck as teenagers. Women who want respect, but have no idea what respect is. So, they just become "bratty princesses" with inflated egos due to a patronising society...

For both sexes, it's just creating arrested development. Inevitably, people just become resentful due to misery. They want adult relationships but no social skills to have them...

These are general observations though, I'm not saying everyone acts like this. Just a trend...

We were doing so well with this stuff a few decades ago. Then it just went off the rails...
 
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The woke women color their hair to an obnoxious color, they make their bodies undesirable with their body positive eating habits and they assume the most unappealing to men as possible ideology. Yet they complain that no one wants to fuck them. In their hearts, they just want some true alpha sadist like null to feed them and make them even more unappealing to men.
 
Woke people are exhausting and dating is a lot of work as it is. Can't blame people for not wanting companions who only drag the mood down and refuse to discern an appropriate audience from an inappropriate one.
And I imagine most guys don’t want to spend those early, formative stages of a relationship being lectured about how all of their favorite movies and books are “extremely problematic.”
 
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I don't think it's her wokeness that puts off men, so much as her complete lack of tits (and presence of feminine penis)
It's an entire generation of women who are Veruca Salt....

It will probably work itself out though. Each sex won't tolerate it from the other. Though the current generation may be sacrificed to learn the lesson..
 
Woke people are exhausting and dating is a lot of work as it is. Can't blame people for not wanting companions who only drag the mood down and refuse to discern an appropriate audience from an inappropriate one.

I actually met one in person from an online dating site. She was one of the more mild ones actually, but she mostly complained about football and microaggressions and shit. I hope she grows out of it, but she's the same age as me and I kind of doubt it. Even without wokeness I'm sure most of them would have serious issues. But SJWism just makes them much worse.

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The woke women color their hair to an obnoxious color, they make their bodies undesirable with their body positive eating habits and they assume the most unappealing to men as possible ideology. Yet they complain that no one wants to fuck them. In their hearts, they just want some true alpha sadist like null to feed them and make them even more unappealing to men.

Dang.

You completely flattened them. And deserve more than one Winner for that.

That being said, most of those features are in incels as well.
 
I, meanwhile, recently had to block someone who after matching with me launched into a vile rant about how women are "evil", "only want sex" and treat men as though they are "disposable". When I asked him if he hated women he replied that he had "only moderate disdain" for us before asking me whether I didn’t want to date him because I’m actually "pretty rough".
Fucking based.
 
Dang.

You completely flattened them. And deserve more than one Winner for that.

That being said, most of those features are in incels as well.
If we could just get all the 'woke' women and incels to fuck each other the world would be a better place, or the world would be way worse place when they start to reproducing and pumping out truly deranged children. Either way the spectacle would be super entertaining to watch.
 
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The woke women color their hair to an obnoxious color, they make their bodies undesirable with their body positive eating habits and they assume the most unappealing to men as possible ideology. Yet they complain that no one wants to fuck them. In their hearts, they just want some true alpha sadist like null to feed them and make them even more unappealing to men.
Oh no, some man WILL fuck them. That's not the issue, not a hard hurdle for women...

Not alot of men want to be in a relationship with them. Especially, the desirable ones. That's where most of bitching is...

I feel incel and the female equivalent are inverse problems(femcel doesn't really work)...

But, both attracting similar types of people...

Which is more pathetic? Hard to say

Both are resentful and hateful. But, incels also have quite a bit of self loathing, cause they do have some self awareness.

The ladies, on the other hand, tend to escape into complete self delusion. Probably manifesting with accountability issues many women aren't equipped with...
 
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Great article OP.
Spend an afternoon on any major dating app and you’ll come across (generally white) men saying openly sexist and misogynistic things. They might say "no psychos" or that they "fucking hate big eyebrows" in their bios.
Ladies, I'm going to stop you right here and let you in on a big fucking secret: men do not notice or give one single shit about your eyebrows. If you want to spend 80 bucks having your eyebrows get the salon treatment, that's for you, not your man. We don't notice, we don't care, and as long as we aren't footing the bill, we won't intervene. That might be the only time we do ever think about eyebrows; a particularly savvy pickup artist might have the presence of mind to equate regular eyebrow work = a woman that costs too much in the long run.

Anyways, between the repeated angry re-use of "irrespective" in the first few paragraphs and this eyebrow comment, I'm chuckling at the author. Tasty frustration, well done.
 
A guy who won't date woke women is not a male feminist, and is therefore won't do soyboy limp wrist tactics trying to get in your pants
 
If we could just get all the 'woke' women and incels to fuck each other the world would be a better place, or the world would be way worse place when they start to reproducing and pumping out truly deranged children. Either way the spectacle would be super entertaining to watch.

That is quite possibly the worst idea that I've heard all week. And this morning I've been trading blows with a sperg who gave Chris $1200 for Bronycon.

But imagine that, an entire generation of super-spergs that make Elliot Rodger look like a cool, suave, non-autistic and socially adept Chad in comparison.

I date crazy bitches. I do not date woke bitches because that is too crazy.

Better to attract no bitches than woke bitches. If I see certain buzzwords in a dating profile?

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A guy who won't date woke women is not a male feminist, and is therefore won't do soyboy limp wrist tactics trying to get in your pants

Jesus, they still think the "male feminist" dating strategy works?
 
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