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[Gehenna]

And it might be doubful then they could get 2024 in the bag as well.

It is not as doubtful as one might think.... and at the same time more so. It really depends how they take their likely loss in 2020. For an example of a change to the good, we have the 2012 election. Republicans had worked themselves in a frenzy and had utterly lost the plot and were fracturing at every turn, ending in putting up Romney who was basically Obama With White Skin, and getting their asses handed to them. This forced them to examine themselves and lead to them becoming a more unified, pro-american citizen party.
The democrats could, in theory, follow the exact same path as the above description equally applies to them now.

The key difference and hence why I say possibly more doubtful is that there are several factors at play here so let me be a bit long winded.

First, the presidency. Obama got elected largely on a counter-bush narrative that he would change things. Trump was elected on a similar anti-obama narrative. What does this mean for the theoretical 2024 election? Well... it is unlikely that any anti-Trump message will reach a similar applause. Bush was an absolute nightmare that needed fixing, so obama could run on that. Obama at best stayed Bushes course and at worst MADE things worse. Trump, as much as I find him repugnant on a personal level, has gotten things done and has demonstrably made life better for the average american. This means, short of Trump doing something monumentally stupid, running on a "Fix Trump's America: platform like Obama and Trump did to their predecessor is non viable. This leads into,

Second, a uniting figure. Trump saved the Republican Party. Lets just acknowledge that fact out the gate. He provided a single, unified vision. Presented a single, unifed solution. And his voice now is what the majority of republicans follow. The fracturing that was tearing the GOP into bits was solved by those fracturing people realizing they had no pathway to power post 2012, and they rallied behind Trump because he presented them all the closest thing possible to an inter-party compromise. To the Evanglicals? They had Pence who was a BRILLIANT choice by Trump as it ensured they knew they would have his ear at the second highest position in the land. To the Right-Wing libertarians? He promised to absolutely tear apart Obama's legacy... and he did. To the Stock republicans? He provided clear solutions to modern problems that aligned with their principles. A key thing to note, Each of these factions has clear and concise complaints abut Trump, but they backed him anyway because he was willing to compromise between them and he gave them clear goals. The problem for the democrats in 2024 is that... I don't see how this is possible for them. Mind, I didn't see how it was possible for the republicans either but I did at least have some notions as to how it could theoretically be done. I have nothing similar for Democrats.


Also, @
MsStevieMarie
Pelosi has no ambition higher than the House speaker, she runs it like her personal kingdom and everyone from democrats to republicans has to kiss her ring to get anything done. She is just a grander scale of that middlemanager who refuses promotion because he wants total control of his employees.

 

[Flexo]

It is not as doubtful as one might think.... and at the same time more so. It really depends how they take their likely loss in 2020. For an example of a change to the good, we have the 2012 election. Republicans had worked themselves in a frenzy and had utterly lost the plot and were fracturing at every turn, ending in putting up Romney who was basically Obama With White Skin, and getting their asses handed to them. This forced them to examine themselves and lead to them becoming a more unified, pro-american citizen party.
The democrats could, in theory, follow the exact same path as the above description equally applies to them now.

The key difference and hence why I say possibly more doubtful is that there are several factors at play here so let me be a bit long winded.

First, the presidency. Obama got elected largely on a counter-bush narrative that he would change things. Trump was elected on a similar anti-obama narrative. What does this mean for the theoretical 2024 election? Well... it is unlikely that any anti-Trump message will reach a similar applause. Bush was an absolute nightmare that needed fixing, so obama could run on that. Obama at best stayed Bushes course and at worst MADE things worse. Trump, as much as I find him repugnant on a personal level, has gotten things done and has demonstrably made life better for the average american. This means, short of Trump doing something monumentally stupid, running on a "Fix Trump's America: platform like Obama and Trump did to their predecessor is non viable. This leads into,

Second, a uniting figure. Trump saved the Republican Party. Lets just acknowledge that fact out the gate. He provided a single, unified vision. Presented a single, unifed solution. And his voice now is what the majority of republicans follow. The fracturing that was tearing the GOP into bits was solved by those fracturing people realizing they had no pathway to power post 2012, and they rallied behind Trump because he presented them all the closest thing possible to an inter-party compromise. To the Evanglicals? They had Pence who was a BRILLIANT choice by Trump as it ensured they knew they would have his ear at the second highest position in the land. To the Right-Wing libertarians? He promised to absolutely tear apart Obama's legacy... and he did. To the Stock republicans? He provided clear solutions to modern problems that aligned with their principles. A key thing to note, Each of these factions has clear and concise complaints abut Trump, but they backed him anyway because he was willing to compromise between them and he gave them clear goals. The problem for the democrats in 2024 is that... I don't see how this is possible for them. Mind, I didn't see how it was possible for the republicans either but I did at least have some notions as to how it could theoretically be done. I have nothing similar for Democrats.


Also, @
MsStevieMarie
Pelosi has no ambition higher than the House speaker, she runs it like her personal kingdom and everyone from democrats to republicans has to kiss her ring to get anything done. She is just a grander scale of that middlemanager who refuses promotion because he wants total control of his employees.

I think the key factor you're missing is the media.

The republicans basically don't have the entire 4th branch of the government looking to lie to them and convince them everything is ok. When they ran into troubles, they had to take hard looks at cold reality and come to grips with it. When democrats do the same, they have a legion of folks ready to tell them it's not them, it's muh Russia, or muh Ukraine, or muh 4chan...

As long as the enablers hold out, they'll not make a change.

 

[verissimus]

@Gehenna That's an interesting take. If Trump is re-elected, 2024 maybe pretty interesting. I also don't really see Trump royally screwing up outside a recession occurring and even then I could see Trump using his own money and position to try to help people bounce back. We might finally see an end both to this 8 year rotation between parties and the whole anti-predecessor campaign pledge by presidential candidates.

As long as the enablers hold out, they'll not make a change.

No...but maybe yes? I think I know what you mean, but the problem with this statement is that the Left and the media are practically one, so it doesn't really make any sense to see the media being the Iago/Worm Tongue to the Democrat's Othello/Theoden.

 

[Gehenna]

I think the key factor you're missing is the media.

The republicans basically don't have the entire 4th branch of the government looking to lie to them and convince them everything is ok. When they ran into troubles, they had to take hard looks at cold reality and come to grips with it. When democrats do the same, they have a legion of folks ready to tell them it's not them, it's muh Russia, or muh Ukraine, or muh 4chan...

As long as the enablers hold out, they'll not make a change.

I'm not missing it, because its not a factor.

The US trust in media is ABYSMAL, what is more every study we have done of late shows that people are largely getting their news from other sources and that number is increasing. While I am SURE the old-media would love you to believe they have a massive impact... they just don't. They went how hard against Trump? How much did they go for the democrats in the 2016 congressional elections?

 

[SBG]

I'm not missing it, because its not a factor.

The US trust in media is ABYSMAL, what is more every study we have done of late shows that people are largely getting their news from other sources and that number is increasing. While I am SURE the old-media would love you to believe they have a massive impact... they just don't. They went how hard against Trump? How much did they go for the democrats in the 2016 congressional elections?

Everyone says they distrust the media while they repeat its talking points. Like how many people think Trump has done next to nothing about the border and is instead letting hordes of criminals out of prison.

 

[verissimus]

is instead letting hordes of criminals out of prison.

Who is saying that? What does that even refer to?

 

[Flexo]

I'm not missing it, because its not a factor.

The US trust in media is ABYSMAL, what is more every study we have done of late shows that people are largely getting their news from other sources and that number is increasing. While I am SURE the old-media would love you to believe they have a massive impact... they just don't. They went how hard against Trump? How much did they go for the democrats in the 2016 congressional elections?

Know who does still trust the media?

Democrat voters.

 

[Matthew216]

It's probably because 9/11 caused non-progressives to bring up the savage customs of some Muslims and due to geographic ignorance you can always find some teabagger who thinks that all Muslims do FGM (it's an East African thing) or that all Islam is Wahhabi and call them a bigot. Talking points are like flags, it's not about putting forth an argument but signalling your allegiance, so once the "deplorables" take up one of your talking points especially if they do it crudely you must drop it like a hot potato to make sure no-one confuses you with one of the evil bigots to remain a "true progressive".

I wonder if this is the true force behind the long march leftward, progressives are often so successful at shoving their ideas down the throats of the masses that to stay differentiated from the great unwashed they must continually invent new, more radical ones. The eternal Hipster's desire to remain ahead of the cool curve.

Coolness is at the very heart of leftism. The desire to be cool is something that plagues these people. But to be cool you have to be different in some way. The non-conformist have long since run out of things not to conform too, now they’re trying to not conform to gender itself.

 

[It's HK-47]

If you genuinely think that's going to be one of the biggest concerns that you'll have to contend with before the end of this trial, then you're going to be horrified when you see what's coming down the line. Way to try and pump the breaks on this way too fucking late, though. He's already appointed, what, 1/4th of the judges in the entire country now?

 

[LightDragonman1]

Apparently, this is what Trump supporters find funny, at least according to Know Your Meme.

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[verissimus]

Coolness is at the very heart of leftism.

...what? How has being cool ever been at the heart of the left? The only thing that's been in their "heart" is meaningless avant-garde like change. That's it. Change for the sake of them not being bored with the current way things are because they lead empty lives.

 

[LightDragonman1]

I actually decided to ask someone on TV Tropes why in the world Feminism and far Left things have become so invasive and the like, and here's the one-to-one response he gave me:

"People are on average tired of conservatives moralizing and going "if you don't live the way I want you to live, you'll go to hell a sinner." Like, I've had conservatives who've saw fit to say my stringer shirts and short shorts at the gym are "sinful" and "wrong". Whenever Conservatism comes up, its ALWAYS in the context of "get back in the closet, don't deviate from established norms, obey the status quo no matter what". And people just do not want to live that way any more."

Talk about a lack of self-awareness.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

Hey let's totally make this a racist thing too. Why not?

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Twitter are too busy creaming themselves over this. How long before they realize trump's still in office.

I actually decided to ask someone on TV Tropes why in the world Feminism and far Left things have become so invasive and the like, and here's the one-to-one response he gave me:

"People are on average tired of conservatives moralizing and going "if you don't live the way I want you to live, you'll go to hell a sinner." Like, I've had conservatives who've saw fit to say my stringer shirts and short shorts at the gym are "sinful" and "wrong". Whenever Conservatism comes up, its ALWAYS in the context of "get back in the closet, don't deviate from established norms, obey the status quo no matter what". And people just do not want to live that way any more."

Talk about a lack of self-awareness.

Tv tropes has no room to talk about moralizing when their ymmv pages are full of them

 

[Jarolleon]

I actually decided to ask someone on TV Tropes why in the world Feminism and far Left things have become so invasive and the like, and here's the one-to-one response he gave me:

"People are on average tired of conservatives moralizing and going "if you don't live the way I want you to live, you'll go to hell a sinner." Like, I've had conservatives who've saw fit to say my stringer shirts and short shorts at the gym are "sinful" and "wrong". Whenever Conservatism comes up, its ALWAYS in the context of "get back in the closet, don't deviate from established norms, obey the status quo no matter what". And people just do not want to live that way any more."

Talk about a lack of self-awareness.

So it's a bunch of high school kids who got mad at the dress code and built their political views around it? That's pettier than I thought!

...what? How has being cool ever been at the heart of the left? The only thing that's been in their "heart" is meaningless avant-garde like change. That's it. Change for the sake of them not being bored with the current way things are because they lead empty lives.

Not actually being cool, but the desire to be constantly ahead of the cool curve, which is "meaningless avant-garde like change".

 

[Flexo]

I actually decided to ask someone on TV Tropes why in the world Feminism and far Left things have become so invasive and the like, and here's the one-to-one response he gave me:

"People are on average tired of conservatives moralizing and going "if you don't live the way I want you to live, you'll go to hell a sinner." Like, I've had conservatives who've saw fit to say my stringer shirts and short shorts at the gym are "sinful" and "wrong". Whenever Conservatism comes up, its ALWAYS in the context of "get back in the closet, don't deviate from established norms, obey the status quo no matter what". And people just do not want to live that way any more."

Talk about a lack of self-awareness.

Legit kind of curious how this person knows the other is a conservative. (Unless it's one of those truisms.)

 

[It's HK-47]

Lmao.

 

[Maamtis]

Nancy Pelosi signed the articles of impeachment with a smile on her face that made her look like Lenny in that one episode of The Simpsons where he got plastic surgery with golden signature pens which she then handed out as souvenirs. Not only is she a cunt but a dumb one at that. It will have the Democrat base jacking off while screaming "I'm with her!" but swing voters will see this for what it is.

 

[Dracula's Spirit Animal]

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If you genuinely think that's going to be one of the biggest concerns that you'll have to contend with before the end of this trial, then you're going to be horrified when you see what's coming down the line. Way to try and pump the breaks on this way too fucking late, though. He's already appointed, what, 1/4th of the judges in the entire country now?

We were talking about that possibility in early October...
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/president-donald-j-trump-impeachment-megathread.61583/post-5416508

 

[Syaoran Li]

I actually decided to ask someone on TV Tropes why in the world Feminism and far Left things have become so invasive and the like, and here's the one-to-one response he gave me:

"People are on average tired of conservatives moralizing and going "if you don't live the way I want you to live, you'll go to hell a sinner." Like, I've had conservatives who've saw fit to say my stringer shirts and short shorts at the gym are "sinful" and "wrong". Whenever Conservatism comes up, its ALWAYS in the context of "get back in the closet, don't deviate from established norms, obey the status quo no matter what". And people just do not want to live that way any more."

Talk about a lack of self-awareness.

Apparently this troper must be stuck in 2002 or something because the Religious Right is dead nationally and dying even in the South. Trump may be a lot of things, but a continuation of the Bush-era GOP is not one of them. In terms of hard policy, Obama was just a continuation of Bush but decorated with a woke veneer.

Now the Left is the mainstream establishment while the centrists and conservatives are largely seen as the dangerous and derided outsider counterculture.

In a weird way, SJW Leftism is just McCarthyism in reverse.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

In a weird way, SJW Leftism is just McCarthyism in reverse.

Except McCarthy was right.