Disaster Jeffery Epstein has comitted suicide - Matt Groening got him

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Convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein is dead, law enforcement sources said Saturday.

A gurney carrying a man who looked like Epstein was wheeled out of the Manhattan Correctional Center around 7:30 a.m. The ambulance went to New York Downtown Hospital.
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nypost.com

Jeffrey Epstein dead in apparent suicide

Convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein died overnight in an apparent suicide, federal officials said Saturday. Epstein, 66, was found unresponsive in his cell in the Special Housing Unit of Manhattan …
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Yeah I've basically seen hundreds of prison suicides too so a big-time prison suicide expert like myself has some very important thoughts on this.
 
I’m no forensics expert. But something about that line on his neck seems off. Why is it so low and why does it split off into two directions? And if there was a knot there, shouldn’t there be an impression of a knot?
 
F_Break said:
NO FUN!! :mad:

The markings on his neck are too low and clean to be a hanging from the makeshift sheet noose in the pictures.
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how was he found? And yeah it’s highly suspicious that there were no photos in the cell. Granted if they tried cpr etc they would grab him before photos. What was the noose anchored to? Because like you say that bloody ligature Mark is much to low and too low angled for a traditional hanging. And seems much too narrow for the material used. You can see fainter impressions from the bedsheet noose alongside it. That angle might be possible with a “fall forward“ type hanging where you anchor to something low and behind you, and just lean/fall forward. But that almost never works because your legs can still contact the ground and your instincts take over. It’s also not going to leave a bloody wound because there’s not enough force involved. The noose isn’t carrying the bodies full weight.

I’m not an expert on hangings and homicide. Beyond three times having to be put through the horrible wringer of homicide detectives, coroners inquest and depositions for having been on scene to them as EMS. It is insane the level of detail. And that was from NYPD investigating literal nobodies. A depressed 17 year old Indian Girl on a student visa living with an Aunt and Uncle in one case. That one alone was probably 200 hours of being grilled by Homicide Detectives, giving statements to the coroners inquest and depositions in a civil suit (not against us). We were forced to account for every scrap of paper, every boot print, every single contact we made with the body in attempting CPR and Advanced Life Support. Like I said, the girl was a literal nobody, and it was a patently obvious suicide. Yet they ran it through levels of detail and investigation that I quite frankly don’t see here. Why is that?

I’m not saying Epstein didn’t kill himself, I’m just saying the same people aren’t behaving the way I’ve seen them behave for an obvious and unquestionable suicide. Which makes me think Epstein didn’t kill himself.
 
It looks super violent for a suicide. He didn't kill himself I don't believe it anyway. Someone murdered him. It looks so violent it's like a bunch of people all tried to murder him at the same time and got in a fight over it.
 
RodgerDodger said:
how was he found? And yeah it’s highly suspicious that there were no photos in the cell. Granted if they tried cpr etc they would grab him before photos. What was the noose anchored to? Because like you say that bloody ligature Mark is much to low and too low angled for a traditional hanging. And seems much too narrow for the material used. You can see fainter impressions from the bedsheet noose alongside it. That angle might be possible with a “fall forward“ type hanging where you anchor to something low and behind you, and just lean/fall forward. But that almost never works because your legs can still contact the ground and your instincts take over. It’s also not going to leave a bloody wound because there’s not enough force involved. The noose isn’t carrying the bodies full weight.
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He was found "hanging there." Apparently the guard cut him down. The issue is that the noose he "used" had no indications it had been cut, only hemmed, and had no blood marks on it. The pictures of his cells were taken a lot later than they should have been and they're only just coming out now. Between the bizarre suicide note, the prescription bills, everyone's laundry being in his cell, a bunch of electrical cables and him having access to a ball point pen...why did he have this shit while on suicide watch and why did he go with the noose route? Why didn't he use the electrical cables?

Every indication seems to be that he fought his death. He had a deep hemorrhage in his left shoulder muscle and marks on his wrists. His small burst capillaries on his face and eyes are super consistent with strangulation and not a hanging. His hyoid was broken, the cartilage of his thyroid was cracked on both sides....shit that happens when the force is being applied straight on instead of upwards.

There's two big things that aren't being mentioned more that make this more apparent that it was a homicide:

This all took place 15 feet from the guards.

There are injuries on the back of his neck. Why would those be there if he hung himself? Because he didn't hang himself. He got strangled with a wire, and those injuries on the back of his neck are from someone's hands.

Plus, this guy is over six feet. There's no way in hell he hung himself from a noose tied to his window that went through his top bunk.

You know something is fucked when a cover up for the "suicide" of the pedophile is being so hotly contested.
 
No Man's Burrito said:
You know something is fucked when a cover up for the "suicide" of the pedophile is being so hotly contested.
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I literally asked my entire extended family over the holidays whether anyone believed Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide and they literally all laughed. Not a single person.
 
Could they give him any more sheets? lmao. And why were drugs in the cell? Especially if he was on suicide watch.

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My contrarian conspiracy theory is going to be that he actually did commit suicide.
 
not william stenchever said:
The marks make it seem like he got fucking garroted.
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My wife said that exact thing last night.

Iron Hamster said:
Could they give him any more sheets? lmao. And why were drugs in the cell? Especially if he was on suicide watch.

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And the electrical wires. "Hey guard, can you can get me that 25' extension cord from Lowes? I need it for...uhhh...my bug zapper. Big bugs in here."

Oh, and the goddamned ballpoint pen.

Yet, he choose to make a noose from clothes specially made to tear easily and hang himself from the middle of his bunk bed.
 
That neck wound is not from a bedsheet noose. There are multiple imprints, as though he was strangled with something from behind, jerked back, the wire or whatever hit a slightly different place on the neck. A bedsheet is not giving you that kind of wound, and neither is a one drop hanging because the body would be unable to move away from the ligature enough to make those marks
Dude was strangled from behind /slightly to one side with some kind of garrotte, and shaken/fought it.
 
No Man's Burrito said:
He was found "hanging there." Apparently the guard cut him down. The issue is that the noose he "used" had no indications it had been cut, only hemmed, and had no blood marks on it. The pictures of his cells were taken a lot later than they should have been and they're only just coming out now. Between the bizarre suicide note, the prescription bills, everyone's laundry being in his cell, a bunch of electrical cables and him having access to a ball point pen...why did he have this shit while on suicide watch and why did he go with the noose route? Why didn't he use the electrical cables?

Every indication seems to be that he fought his death. He had a deep hemorrhage in his left shoulder muscle and marks on his wrists. His small burst capillaries on his face and eyes are super consistent with strangulation and not a hanging. His hyoid was broken, the cartilage of his thyroid was cracked on both sides....shit that happens when the force is being applied straight on instead of upwards.

There's two big things that aren't being mentioned more that make this more apparent that it was a homicide:

This all took place 15 feet from the guards.

There are injuries on the back of his neck. Why would those be there if he hung himself? Because he didn't hang himself. He got strangled with a wire, and those injuries on the back of his neck are from someone's hands.

Plus, this guy is over six feet. There's no way in hell he hung himself from a noose tied to his window that went through his top bunk.

You know something is fucked when a cover up for the "suicide" of the pedophile is being so hotly contested.
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my main reason o asking is there is a less traditional and much less effective means of hanging. Where you tie off to a point behind you and simply fall forward with your feet or knees still on the ground. That could produce the angles seen, put it wouldn’t produce the deep ligature marks as it lacks a lot of the force from weight. It’s past ally just compressing the caratids until you pass out Then die.

They didn’t take pictures of him in the cell. Which normally means they attempted medical treatment. But why do we see no sign of it in the cell? Why do we see no sign of it on the body? Save perhaps the “injection site”? Running a Code is not neat. You scatter shit everywhere. All the medical packaging. They cut him down. Did they start CPR? If yes why were no injuries from the treatment reported? You would have a huge bruise center chest and likely some cracked ribs. If No, why not? And why was the body moved?

yeah nobody believes Epstein killed himself. Just too many irregularities to pass the smell test.
 
No Man's Burrito said:
He was found "hanging there." Apparently the guard cut him down. The issue is that the noose he "used" had no indications it had been cut, only hemmed, and had no blood marks on it. The pictures of his cells were taken a lot later than they should have been and they're only just coming out now. Between the bizarre suicide note, the prescription bills, everyone's laundry being in his cell, a bunch of electrical cables and him having access to a ball point pen...why did he have this shit while on suicide watch and why did he go with the noose route? Why didn't he use the electrical cables?

Every indication seems to be that he fought his death. He had a deep hemorrhage in his left shoulder muscle and marks on his wrists. His small burst capillaries on his face and eyes are super consistent with strangulation and not a hanging. His hyoid was broken, the cartilage of his thyroid was cracked on both sides....shit that happens when the force is being applied straight on instead of upwards.

There's two big things that aren't being mentioned more that make this more apparent that it was a homicide:

This all took place 15 feet from the guards.

There are injuries on the back of his neck. Why would those be there if he hung himself? Because he didn't hang himself. He got strangled with a wire, and those injuries on the back of his neck are from someone's hands.

Plus, this guy is over six feet. There's no way in hell he hung himself from a noose tied to his window that went through his top bunk.

You know something is fucked when a cover up for the "suicide" of the pedophile is being so hotly contested.
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I have a good friend who's wife majored in criminology with an emphasis on crime scene analysis. Your observations are pretty much in line with hers. Shit's been tampered across the board and the evidence, what little there is now, has been compromised big time.
 
Bagronkleton said:
I have a good friend who's wife majored in criminology with an emphasis on crime scene analysis. Your observations are pretty much in line with hers. Shit's been tampered across the board and the evidence, what little there is now, has been compromised big time.
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She’s not wrong. It doesn’t look like an actual death scene. It looks badly staged.
 
Iron Hamster said:
Could they give him any more sheets? lmao. And why were drugs in the cell? Especially if he was on suicide watch.

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He was conveniently taken off suicide watch like a week before he died, despite supposedly trying to kill himself a couple of weeks before. I say supposedly because Epstein's lawyer claimed that Epstein told him the first "suicide attempt" was actually his cell mate ( a dirty ex-cop in prison for murder) trying to strangle him.
 
I think somebody got strangled. Still not entirely sure I believe it was Epstein. But I don't believe Epstein killed himself. And I thought the note would be an actual suicide note. Not a list of complaints about how being in jail was no fun. Do they really let people in jail have prescription bottles? That seems like a really bad idea. Even if it is just blood pressure medicine or something.
 
Spastic Colon said:
I think somebody got strangled. Still not entirely sure I believe it was Epstein. But I don't believe Epstein killed himself.
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a nice furore over how he died certainly distracts from if he died. I mean who knows? I’m usually one for the simplest explanation but all this stuff is so absolutely crazy it’s like a bond movie. Maybe he’s living it up with Lord Lucan, elvis and Shergar for all I know. The very fact that that’s an opinion that is on the table shows how mad current year is.
 
Tryphaena said:
That "suicide note" reads like a meme. I thought someone was fucking with me when they were talking about the contents of the note.
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It honestly reads like they pulled somebody's "Trump in Jail" fanfic off twitter. No Fun!
 
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