Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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ducktales4gameboy said:
Man, all I want is a single one of the old reliable franchises to have a proper modern entry this year but it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen.
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Unless they allow a 5 year development cycle and/or give it to a better studio that is superior coding wise, I just don't see Pokemon becoming that amazing entry that many people want it to bee. I wish GameFreak would just shut up because the more they talk about it the more they piss off their fans.
 
rotollo said:
I mean I would wait a year so I could get a second switch at a cheeper price so I could use this one for hacking. even with Emunand Gen 8 isnt worth getting a ban from online and the e shop
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Going for lite or regular?

Man, all I want is a single one of the old reliable franchises to have a proper modern entry this year but it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen.
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I mean... DMC5 was really good. Digimon's solid.

And if you wanna count remakes - Resident Evil 2.
 
Mangy Mutt said:
Some dude compiled a handy dandy list of all known biggest issues that've been noted so far in the game.

I'll throw the list under a spoiler for ease.

  1. The number of usable Pokemon has been cut, only less than half are now usable, known as Dexit, it means that you won't be able to use these pokemon in the new games, you won't be able to transfer them in, and you won't be able to do anything with them sans sticking them in home for the foreseeable future (Home will probably be a paid only subscription based service just like its predecessor), for all intents and purposes, these Pokemon are basically removed from the main games franchise and they will take probably years to come back, if ever.
    An image with the cut/not cut pokemon can be found here, pokemon in green are confirmed to be in, pokemon in purple have galar forms, pokemon in yellow are in the data, but there's nothing for them, they could be leftover data like the items and other things, could be giveaway/event only, could only come from other games, etc, there's no way to know what's the plans for them at the moment, if any, pokemon in red are cut.
    The excuse GF used for this culling was that it let's them work on delivering better animations and a more carefully crafted game, since they don't have to put more time and effort into redoing the models.
    This is complete BS as the game polish is worse than ever, and the models seem to just be somewhat edited XY models.
  2. Just like the Pokemon cut, about 144 moves were removed, 99 moves excluding the let's go and other outlier moves, this includes extremely important and used mainstay moves like Hidden Power, return/frustration and Pursuit, on top of extremely old moves that have been there since gen 1, some of these moves were important for the viability of several Pokemon, which may cause them to be way less effective if not way worse when it comes to battles, on top of this, it also removed some SIGNATURE MOVES of certain Pokemon.
    The full list for deleted mainstay pokemon moves can be found here
    Attempts at transferring Pokemon with these moves will apparently get this message: "This move can’t be used. It’s recommended that this move is forgotten. Once forgotten, this move can’t be remembered."
  3. Short game, the first streamer beat the champion at around the 14 hour mark, while he did this by skipping a fair amount of trainer battles, other streamers are clocking in about 16-20 hours, seems like the average will be about 18 hours to beat the game.
    Here's one of the many streamers, he's right before champion and clocking in at 14:34.
  4. The graphics are extremely mediocre, it constantly looks worse and less polished than LGPE, the textures are often inexcusable.
    Examples of the bad graphics seen here
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    A comparison with LGPE can be seen here and here
    Here's a game recently released for switch, another picture found here, the difference is unreal.
  5. There's constant graphical issues, not just low quality graphics, pop in is present at all points of the game due to bad coding, trainer models will also disappear mid battle when an attack with a high number of particles is used, this also happened in SM, however, SM moved the camera away to avoid people seeing it, they didn't even try this time.
    This means it's either a carry over from SM and they just copy pasted most of the code, or they somehow have to remove the trainers to avoid a switch from somehow getting fps drops.
    The pop-ins can be evidenced here and here
    Trainers dissapearing mid battle can be evidenced here
  6. Animations, one of the main reasons why GF cut pokemon, at least in the interviews, are as shoddy as ever.
    There's extremely lazy animation all over the game, from normal attacks to key moments in the game, such as the encounter with the box legendaries.
    Most of the animations are also completely copy pasted from older games, one example seen here with Hau(the entire character of hop is basically a copy paste of hau.)
    Pokemon battle animations are just as bad as before, if not worse, pictured here is a pokemon headbutting with its feet.
    Another example found here, THE MAIN BOX ART POKEMON CINEMATIC, THIS IS THE GAME CLIMAX, another example on the other version found here
    In fact, it could be considered way worse if compared to the last gen, example of upscaled USUM cutscenes. (Notice the graphical change isn't that big, the only difference here is increasing the resolution)
  7. Cutscenes and restrictions, like previous Pokemon games the cutscene and story forcing and restrictions are insane this time around, seems to be even more intrusive and in your face than before at times, while keeping the same level of cutscene intrusion than past gen.
    The video for this point was taken down, but if you wish to see this you should be able to find it by searching the gameplay clips/streams online
  8. The difficulty, just like the cut scene problem, this carries over from earlier games and it's even worse.There were constant heals, to the point where in the first routes you're not able to go beyond 3 trainer fights without getting a full heal.
    The first streamer avoided fights and didn't train at all, it still was one shotting gym leader dynamaxed ace pokemon.This can be seen here.
  9. Post-Game is almost non-existant, as usual since masuda-Ohmori started directing, there's no frontier, there's also no frontier like facility.
    The post game consists of battle tower and a very short sequence of missions where you beat some dynamax pokemon for your rival to catch the other legendary
    Not only this, but the battle tower is also an inferior version of past towers, it doesn't have super single nor super double battles, it has no triple battles and there's no "tower bosses", it's just random trainer npcs after another.
  10. Problems with game design and behavior, beyond difficulty and progression, there's other problems in the overall game design.
    Examples of this is not being able to catch Pokemon in the wild areas until you got a badge allowing you to do so, which usually covers your current level.
    Meaning if you find a level 31 shiny or a level 31 pokemon you really want, you won't be able to catch it until you go and beat the next gym.
    For shiny hunters, this one is gonna be really important, you cannot see if your Pokemon is gonna be shiny or not in the overworld, this means that on top of the badge limit, you also got this potential problem.
    Evidenced here.
  11. Removed past features with virtually no new additions, seems like this is a mainstay in Pokemon, removing older features so they become one of a time gimmicks, but unlike earlier titles this new game doesn't adds anything new except dynamaxing, which is limited to gyms only.
    This particular gen removes Mega Evolutions and Z moves, mega evolutions in particular were a huge deal and seeing them suddenly removed means that there's little reason to get involved with any new addition, no matter how mainstay or how much GF forces it when it will very soon be gone.
    A list of these removed features can be found here.
  12. No scaling whatsoever, models are the same sizes of XY (giving more plausibility to them not really redoing the models).Any argument against this is thrown out of the window when dynamaxing exists, since the models seem to be edited XY models then the problem remains.
    Here's the non scaled model in sword and shield.
    Here's an scaled model, released in a game that came out 15 years ago for a the Nintendo Gamecube, something way less powerful than the switch.
  13. No GTS, retera thread on the discovery found here, the only strings that refer to the GTS are leftovers from Let's Go code, as seen here and here.
    This is most likely due to Home(this means that you will have to pay for switch online+home for services older games already included)
    Thanks to /u/c_will for pointing this one out and gathering the info.
  14. A 20 dollar price increase for less content than earlier 3DS games, with subpar graphics and removal of features, an overall shoddy release for a higher price point.
  15. Performance, game is locked to 30 fps, and while that's not a big issue by itself, this is coupled with slowdown at certain moments such as dynamaxing, it can drop fps to the floor and turn the game into a slideshow for a while.
    Evidenced here.
    Still gathering more info on this one, as it's a relatively new occurrence that hasn't happened to all users, take this one with a grain of salt
  16. The overall lack of quality, polish and effort put into the game, this is all the minor/somewhat minor but still very telling problems with the game.
    This is apparent in many ways all throughout the game, things like the wrong backgrounds or just voids for pokemon battles.
    Two example of the wrong backgrounds seen here and [here] (https://clips.twitch.tv/FriendlyCleanOstrichArsonNoSexy) One example of the void background seen here (these happen on indoor fights and some non indoor but scripted battles)Examples of backgrounds on indoor and everywhere else in both LGPE and colosseum, seen here and here.
    Then there's complete lack of music in the game story most important moments, seen here.
    Starters are also shiny locked.
    The entire world freezes when using certain objects, as seen here.
    To this, you add up the emptiness of the wild area and the badly implemented weather changes that don't make much sense, both seen here
    No animation for flying, no elite 4, no victory road, etc, this is added to all the other problems that show the lack of effort put into them.

Sucks that overworld shinies are for whatever reason not a thing anymore. Let's Go made shiny hunting really fun and I had hope they'd carry that over to the new games. Gives me less reason to want to buy it even as used.

Yeah this really is shaping up to be a disaster lmao.
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Yikes! What a clusterfuck. It really makes me wonder if all this bad publicity will affect sales and Nintendo will have to have a serious talk with GF. I seriously doubt it.
 
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Yea guys, I'm thinking kino is back on the menu.
 
Jetpack Himmler said:
Yikes! What a clusterfuck. It really makes me wonder if all this bad publicity will affect sales and Nintendo will have to have a serious talk with GF. I seriously doubt it.
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Maybe if they screwed up like this a second time Nintendo will give them a talking to.

Although, given everything here, I blame the fact that they're gave themselves so little time to develop a new pokemon game. I think everyone here agrees that if they moved away from shipping out a game once a year and gave themselves more time to develop their games, this wouldn't be happening. It would improve the overall quality of them and it gives them more opportunities to develop and ship out spin-off games to let the fan base warm up to the recent generation pokemon.
 
Skyclaw said:
83 is fair...i expect the user scores to be a mix of "best game ever 10/10" and "absolute dogshite 0/10" as is the case with pretty much every high profile game these days.
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its a joke, though the fact that its believable probably isnt a good sign for gamefreak actually learning from this.
 
I love the sect of Twitter defending the game's shitty graphics by throwing Fire Emblem 3 Houses under the bus.

3 Houses didn't gut every traditional Fire Emblem mechanic or character and pretended it was doing it "for better balance and graphics" so the comparison is rancid at best and willfully dishonest at worst.
 
X-Shaped Weeaboo said:
I love the sect of Twitter defending the game's shitty graphics by throwing Fire Emblem 3 Houses under the bus.

3 Houses didn't gut every traditional Fire Emblem mechanic or character and pretended it was doing it "for better balance and graphics" so the comparison is rancid at best and willfully dishonest at worst.
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To be fair 3 houses didnt have a past game (coff coff lets go coff coff) to get some experience in the new hardware and they havent done a "full" 3d game since the wii
 
Skyclaw said:
Nah 83 is fair, on the high end of fair sure but its a fair score in my opinion of course but we've already established that i don't really care much about the cut features or the animations
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It's not real, there is no metascore yet. An 83 would be incredibly generous, I expect 100/100 reviews from obscure reviewers no one has heard of though. Let's Go score was blatantly boosted this way, they also split the reviews between the two games randomly to get a higher score (good reviews are put on both while bad reviews are only put on one or the other). I think they even included random reviews from local newspapers.

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The most disappointing thing for me personally is that there is no sign of LGPE Pikachu stats being in-game. I thought that these will go to the Pikachu that can Gigantamax, which is truly a shame as I want my big boi to destroy everyone with a Light Ball.
 
Here I used to think Pokémon’s biggest problem was it being so samey. Which honestly wasn’t really a problem if you were a newbie or were absolutely dedicated.

Prior to this, the game’s always had some quality standard. I never thought this would ever happen to one of Nintendo’s sacred cows.

I grew up with the original Red and Blue, I played the games up till Black and White. And I still hold some nostalgia for the days my friends and I were caught up in the initial craze.

Everything must die though I guess. I just wished Pokemon didn’t have to die in such an undignified way.
 
X-Shaped Weeaboo said:
3 Houses didn't gut every traditional Fire Emblem mechanic or character and pretended it was doing it "for better balance and graphics" so the comparison is rancid at best and willfully dishonest at worst.
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What do you expect? People have been pulling the game comparison card ever since this debacle started, even going so far to compare PKM to DQ11, a port from a game that had a much longer dev cycle and was originally meant for a higher system (and yes, I'm aware that DQ11 was supposed to come to Switch too initially, but they had that delayed as well)

I think comparisons are gonna be drawn on both sides, and frankly, I find it to be a dumb idea on both sides of this retarded debate - Because at this point, it's become nothing more than poo slinging by two vocal minorities who are getting their panties in a twist over a game... A kids game mind you.

Everything must die though I guess. I just wished Pokemon didn’t have to die in such an undignified way.
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Oh boy, the whole "Pokemon's gonna die", it ain't gonna die. Not from this.

Stop being a drama queen.
 
OddEyes said:
Going for lite or regular?
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I prefer broken joysticks being removable from my console, so regular since I am gonna transfer all my current switch data to the new one and use the old one for hack shit
I just need a price drop Nintendo
OddEyes said:
I mean... DMC5 was really good
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You might be abit more optimistic about pokemon than I am but I will say this, you do have good taste.
Nauseated Courgi said:
Maybe if they screwed up like this a second time Nintendo will give them a talking to.

Although, given everything here, I blame the fact that they're gave themselves so little time to develop a new pokemon game. I think everyone here agrees that if they moved away from shipping out a game once a year and gave themselves more time to develop their games, this wouldn't be happening. It would improve the overall quality of them and it gives them more opportunities to develop and ship out spin-off games to let the fan base warm up to the recent generation pokemon.
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as much as I love the DS era I blame gen 5, that showed TPC they could release multiple gens on one system and still get good sales, leading to the state of the franchise now
Though Gen 5 did feel like it had a unique take and something to say compared to the 3d era's sameness
Love_Machine011 said:
its a joke, though the fact that its believable probably isnt a good sign for gamefreak actually learning from this.
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What's gonna happen is it will review okay, probably somewhere early 80's late 70's, but will still address this shit since they have listened to backlash before. Every Game since gen 5 have had some form of KANNNNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! because of how people reacted to no old mons in that game. customization was brought back after people bitched it wasn't in ORAS. I think the Nat Dex will probably be back since this whole shit show I have seen nearly every site from 4chan to resetera shitting on this game, with only a few twitterfags, game "Journos" and poketubers going to bat for it. It's definitely bigger then Gen 5, but here's the monkey's paw, they will think Nat Dex was the only problem with Gen 8 and keep the exp share stuff and ignore how the games structure and story was abit lacking. Either way since it seems the internet is arguing about this forever it would be brand sucide to stick with Gen 8 since there's still a stink attached to it that a hypothetical third version won't outrun.
Agent Wet said:
That is applying that the game has any style in the first place .
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I mean I will say the new pokemon have some unqiue "style" I might not like it but it's certainly something new, but yeah the rest of the games stuff like UI feels uninspired its no persona 5.
Overcast said:
Here I used to think Pokémon’s biggest problem was it being so samey. Which honestly wasn’t really a problem if you were a newbie or were absolutely dedicated.

Prior to this, the game’s always had some quality standard. I never thought this would ever happen to one of Nintendo’s sacred cows.

I grew up with the original Red and Blue, I played the games up till Black and White. And I still hold some nostalgia for the days my friends and I were caught up in the initial craze.

Everything must die though I guess. I just wished Pokemon didn’t have to die in such an undignified way.
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It's not gonna "Die" per-say but you know that love hate relationship some of the public has towards Disney due to being a mega brand. Imagine that but towards game freak as programmers. that or it will get like sonic to where journos start to say shit like "Pokemon was never good" but the games still sell well.
OddEyes said:
Because at this point, it's become nothing more than poo slinging by two vocal minorities who are getting their panties in a twist over a game... A kids game mind you.
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Eh... thats kinda what happens when you make a multi media franchise so kids can get attached to it, they grow emotional bonds over shit in their childhood, you get praised when they like you but shafted hard when they piss you off. Kinda their fault for playing with expectations like that but I guess no one anticipated that people would still have attachment to vidya in their adult years 30 years ago.
And while yeah it is a vocal minority all you need is one person or people in that minority in that to make something to shift the tide of public opinion, a brand can weather a PR storm a couple times but over time it will chip away at brand trust.
But yeah Pokemon isn't dead but if they know what's good for them they will hire a better PR guy and try to course correct to help salvage their brand name
 
Mangy Mutt said:
No animation for flying, no elite 4, no victory road, etc, this is added to all the other problems that show the lack of effort put into them.
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What the fuck, why? Not even SM cut out the Elite Four despite the change-up in the gym challenge.

My brother hasn't cancelled the pre-orders so I'm going to still play through Sword when it's out, but my enjoyment level has sharply fallen ever since the leaks were coming out. I think the rock bottom for me is the level cap, like that's fucking retarded and shitty of them to do just because there's no way to turn off EXP Share, so you level up earlier and faster than you really should, making you over-leveled in most cases. At least you can one-shot the Dynamax Pokémon without having to Dynamax yourself, kind of like with Mega Evolution, but that just defeats the purpose of it, whatever that is.

And I guess I shouldn't be surprised there's no more post-game again, but Jesus Christ, Game Freak...
 
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