r/childfree - Where child-haters congregate

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wildautism said:
Poly people seem to be more the morbidly obese bitches who can only get ugly betas so they slut around with ten of them to try and fill on the hole that keeps gnawing at their self esteem. Childfree is either 35 year old women who no one wanted for whatever reason (sex and the city) or college age girls who think they're immortal and having a child would ruin their fun (sex and the city but the characters aren't old hags).
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Also autistics and manchildren who don't want to be responsible for anyone but themselves.
 
sweet-cereal-killer said:
I wonder if there is any correlation between these childfree dickwads and polyamory/sluttiness.
How can you fuck around if children keep getting in the way / how can you be a child when you have to take care of one?
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I wish more of them were childfree, but sadly a lot of polyamorous people have weird ideas about childrearing and think that they're being a good example by living their "transgressive" lifestyle in front of their kids. Childfree people seem like they're really bitter and cynical, poly people seem so stupidly idealistic that they nuke their love life every 4 months in the name of ideals. I wouldn't expect there to be too much overlap.
 
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wildautism said:
Poly people seem to be more the morbidly obese bitches who can only get ugly betas so they slut around with ten of them to try and fill on the hole that keeps gnawing at their self esteem. Childfree is either 35 year old women who no one wanted for whatever reason (sex and the city) or college age girls who think they're immortal and having a child would ruin their fun (sex and the city but the characters aren't old hags).
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Is the subreddit actually female majority? I assumed it was mostly fat spergs moaning about how children ruined their screening of the MLP film.
 
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By not having children, they are neglecting the pibble. Pibbles all need a healthy supply of children to maul.
 
Sweet Musica said:
They should privatize the sub then if they can't take outsiders, it would be a joy for all parties involved. I'm so sick of some child free woman on reddit bitching about how unjust it is that her doctor doesn't want to tie her tubes at the age of 23. Yeah, god forbid a doctor believes that sterilizes a young healthy woman violates the Hippocratic oath. Why lawyers can decline cases that go against their morals while doctors decline can't procedures that go against theirs. Just get an IUD and later get the procedure when you're 35, you fucking baby. No one wants you to have kids anyway.
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Tbf i get the annoyance
It's like i want you to do the surgery not bore me with your opinions
I care about doctors opinions on what I want about as much as I care for my fridge's opinion on what I eat for dinner
Just shut up and perform your function

Pointless Pedant said:
Is the subreddit actually female majority? I assumed it was mostly fat spergs moaning about how children ruined their screening of the MLP film.
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Yep childfree/antinatalism skews HEAVILY female
If you can forge vasectomy paperwork you can raw dog for days and the upside is they'll abort so no child support
 
The Final Troondown said:
Tbf i get the annoyance
It's like i want you to do the surgery not bore me with your opinions
I care about doctors opinions on what I want about as much as I care for my fridge's opinion on what I eat for dinner
Just shut up and perform your function
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Yep I can understand that but unfortunately quite large function of doctors and society in general is prevent us going trough ideas that we will regret. It’s sucks be told no because you might change your mind but neither you or your doctors can’t see into future. So it’s best to look overall patterns in people’s behavior and what opinions are available.

Most people don’t want kids when they are young but do want them when they are older. It’s really well established pattern. They might know that they want kids when they are older, they might not. For example one of my relatives didn’t want kids before meeting her husband well into her late 20’s, where as other couldn’t wait get married and have kids. Seriously she calculated how early she and her fiancé could star premarital sex without baby’s birth date raising suspicions, this was only few years after WW2. Both very happy about having kids, only regret was that one wanting kids early ended up having fertility issues and hated having missed out more premarital sex for nothing. There are this sort of stories about celebrities as well. Dr Phil and his wife ended up regretting having only one kid and he had his vasectomy reversed witch luckily for them worked.

There are people who regretted having kids but they seem to be minority. Still that, how lousy parents some people are and dangers of pregnancy are enough reasons to take contraception very seriously. Luckily there are plenty of good pregnancy prevention options and so staying child and pregnancy free doesn’t require abstaining from sex or going homosexual. Implants, hormone- and copper IUDs are all highly reliable and need attention only every 3-5 years. That is more than if you got your tubes tided or snipped but you can get it done while visiting gynecologist witch you should be doing more often than that anyway. Still those methods are not free everywhere but overall have very low life time cost even in full price, actually quite much lower than getting surgery tends to be. Otherhand fixings baby tracks that have been messed with isn’t that reliable, is quite expensive and painful. Even if you store eggs just in case you are basically relaying on fertility treatments witch are expensive and failure is pretty common.

What knowledge we have right now the best protocol is say to young people not wanting kids: other contraceptions now permanent sterilization latter if you still want it. I guess I could be fine with on demand sterilization if that would also mean that they would not be eligible for fertility treatments trough public medical services or insurances. If they personally pay for those that’s fine, I don’t want restrictions there, but if you willingly and against medical advice to destroy your fertility it’s not others to fix your mistake.
 
Amber the Hedgehog said:
Yep I can understand that but unfortunately quite large function of doctors and society in general is prevent us going trough ideas that we will regret. It’s sucks be told no because you might change your mind but neither you or your doctors can’t see into future. So it’s best to look overall patterns in people’s behavior and what opinions are available.

Most people don’t want kids when they are young but do want them when they are older. It’s really well established pattern. They might know that they want kids when they are older, they might not. For example one of my relatives didn’t want kids before meeting her husband well into her late 20’s, where as other couldn’t wait get married and have kids. Seriously she calculated how early she and her fiancé could star premarital sex without baby’s birth date raising suspicions, this was only few years after WW2. Both very happy about having kids, only regret was that one wanting kids early ended up having fertility issues and hated having missed out more premarital sex for nothing. There are this sort of stories about celebrities as well. Dr Phil and his wife ended up regretting having only one kid and he had his vasectomy reversed witch luckily for them worked.

There are people who regretted having kids but they seem to be minority. Still that, how lousy parents some people are and dangers of pregnancy are enough reasons to take contraception very seriously. Luckily there are plenty of good pregnancy prevention options and so staying child and pregnancy free doesn’t require abstaining from sex or going homosexual. Implants, hormone- and copper IUDs are all highly reliable and need attention only every 3-5 years. That is more than if you got your tubes tided or snipped but you can get it done while visiting gynecologist witch you should be doing more often than that anyway. Still those methods are not free everywhere but overall have very low life time cost even in full price, actually quite much lower than getting surgery tends to be. Otherhand fixings baby tracks that have been messed with isn’t that reliable, is quite expensive and painful. Even if you store eggs just in case you are basically relaying on fertility treatments witch are expensive and failure is pretty common.

What knowledge we have right now the best protocol is say to young people not wanting kids: other contraceptions now permanent sterilization latter if you still want it. I guess I could be fine with on demand sterilization if that would also mean that they would not be eligible for fertility treatments trough public medical services or insurances. If they personally pay for those that’s fine, I don’t want restrictions there, but if you willingly and against medical advice to destroy your fertility it’s not others to fix your mistake.
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Whats the problem with justbdoing it though? Get a legally bulletproof waiver and you can't get sued
Hardly like we're running out of people
 
The Final Troondown said:
Whats the problem with justbdoing it though? Get a legally bulletproof waiver and you can't get sued
Hardly like we're running out of people
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Because when you are forming medical standards you need to think what’s worst case scenario, how vulnerable people you are working with are and what sort of faults normal human beings have. Legal trouble isn’t really the issue and can’t be always waived away with simple paperwork anyway. It’s to set up a system where least amount freedom is taken away while protecting people from themselves and others. I have been mentally very bad places and I’m glad I wasn’t allowed go trough my most destructive ideas and behaviors.

Going for more extreme reactions is fairly standard behavior from people in their teens and early to mid twenties. That age people are usually living alone for the first time, trying find themselves and very interested impressing people, especially the opposite sex. They easy targets for cults, gangs and extreme political movements. It’s more than likely that there are young people who are going trough child free phase but will do complete 180 when meeting a right person or when biological clock starts ticking. Now I do think there are people who genuinely and permanently aren’t interested having kids, and that’s fine, I don’t want them to have kids. There many good, safe and easy to use contraceptives that are very nearly as good at preventing pregnancy as sterilization but still easily reversible. I don’t think it’s unreasonable policy to heavily favor those over more permanent solutions.
 
The Final Troondown said:
Whats the problem with justbdoing it though? Get a legally bulletproof waiver and you can't get sued
Hardly like we're running out of people
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There are two reversible options for sterilizing people. One is a vasectomy, and outpatient procedure with minimal risk and local anesthesia. If you try to get it reversed and it fails they can get sperm out of you with a needle as a last resort. I'm not saying that is a good outcome, but it means you can still retain your fertility by virtue of testicles creating so many gametes.

The other option is tubal ligation, which is invasive, requires general or spinal anesthesia, and if reversal fails you are screwed, only one gamete matures at a time and it isn't practical to try to harvest it surgically. Essure was an attempt to make an outpatient procedure for female sterilization, but it seems to have a fair amount of problems associated with it and there is no reversal procedure for essure that returns fertility to a patient.

Women want to get sterilized to protect themselves, they risk so much more from pregnancy, and while that is understandable, it doesn't seem like a great option when so many reliable birth control methods are available to women (IUD, hormone pills) and vasectomy is available to men. Women's fertility is finite anyway, it will resolve itself given time, while men can impregnate women at any age.

Normal doctors like to do good work and improve the lives of their patients. Surgeons typically perform thousands of any given operation they offer to patients over a career. If one out of ten of your patients comes back to you for a reversal of an elective procedure, and the reversal fails a little less than half of the time, they're going to feel terrible about it eventually.

Some doctors who did tubals on childless women got sued despite their waivers. Juries are really sympathetic to cases where infertility is included in the damages, and the doctors lost malpractice cases despite the waivers. Perhaps that isn't fair, but it is the world that doctors have to navigate. Unless you have a genetic problem or being pregnancy is incompatible with you medically, there is no real reason to get your tubes tied instead of getting an IUD.

So yeah, there are a lot of reasons that things work this way. I am not going to deny that there are some sexist asshole doctors that use it as an excuse to deny patients care, but even in a sexism -ree world it seems like a good doctor would be hesitant to expose their patient to the risk of avoidable hardship.
 
sperginity said:
The other option is tubal ligation, which is invasive, requires general or spinal anesthesia, and if reversal fails you are screwed, only one gamete matures at a time and it isn't practical to try to harvest it surgically. Essure was an attempt to make an outpatient procedure for female sterilization, but it seems to have a fair amount of problems associated with it and there is no reversal procedure for essure that returns fertility to a patient.
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People died from Essure. I actually know someone who was one of the cases in that big lawsuit they had.
 
The Final Troondown said:
Whats the problem with justbdoing it though? Get a legally bulletproof waiver and you can't get sued
Hardly like we're running out of people
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1. Like they said above, the lawsuits happen anyways, there's no bulletproof-enough waiver, and OBGYNs already have the worst malpractice rates out there, or one of the worst.

2. The thing about BTL is that it is very effective but there is potential for it to become less effective over time if the tubes grow back together. This tends to happen years down the line--iirc the dip in the graph happens about ten years in. Now if you are doing a BTL on a 36 year old woman delivering her last desired child, by the time you hit that ten year mark, her fertility is going to be crap anyhow and it's very unlikely that she will have a problem. But if you do it to a 21 year old, she will still be quite fertile when that dip in effectiveness happens. Also younger bodies heal better, so there's a chance it might be more likely to happen in the first place. IIRC younger women also have a higher risk for dangerous ectopic pregnancies after a BTL for the same reason.

3. There are several options for female contraception that are comparably effective, more readily reversible, and safer to implement than a BTL. Namely the hormonal implant and several different types of IUDs. The arm implant is the most effective form of birth control for anyone short of hysterectomy. More effective than vas or BTL. And easily reversed with a 5 minute outpatient procedure, and practically foolproof. Women who have cv risk factors that prohibit taking the combined pill can use it. There are very few people who cannot use it.

Now when there is a safer, cheaper, more reversible, more effective option out there, a patient who comes at you screeching that you'd better give her the worse option is going to come off like an ignorant harpy, right?
 
The Final Troondown said:
Yep childfree/antinatalism skews HEAVILY female
If you can forge vasectomy paperwork you can raw dog for days and the upside is they'll abort so no child support
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Weird. Antinatalism started with nihilistic ancient philosphers and religious sects like the Cathars, and I figured it was mostly suicidal incel types who supported it these days.
 
Pointless Pedant said:
Weird. Antinatalism started with nihilistic ancient philosphers and religious sects like the Cathars, and I figured it was mostly suicidal incel types who supported it these days.
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Yep, it’s more females than males and honestly it makes sense. Guys have easier time to get away from pregnancy scenarios by mere fact of biology but also there is higher pressure for women to have kids. Some of it is reasonable, female fertility window is a lot smaller than males, time pregnancy takes, possibly breast feeding and then there is traditions like stay at home mom. Women are just think pregnancy and all that crap more than men do, and so tend have stronger opinions about it. This compinated with current year feminism, celebration of self indulgence and victim culture just creates atmosphere where going loudly child free is very tempting for ladies.
 
Lissamine Green said:
1. Like they said above, the lawsuits happen anyways, there's no bulletproof-enough waiver, and OBGYNs already have the worst malpractice rates out there, or one of the worst.

2. The thing about BTL is that it is very effective but there is potential for it to become less effective over time if the tubes grow back together. This tends to happen years down the line--iirc the dip in the graph happens about ten years in. Now if you are doing a BTL on a 36 year old woman delivering her last desired child, by the time you hit that ten year mark, her fertility is going to be crap anyhow and it's very unlikely that she will have a problem. But if you do it to a 21 year old, she will still be quite fertile when that dip in effectiveness happens. Also younger bodies heal better, so there's a chance it might be more likely to happen in the first place. IIRC younger women also have a higher risk for dangerous ectopic pregnancies after a BTL for the same reason.

3. There are several options for female contraception that are comparably effective, more readily reversible, and safer to implement than a BTL. Namely the hormonal implant and several different types of IUDs. The arm implant is the most effective form of birth control for anyone short of hysterectomy. More effective than vas or BTL. And easily reversed with a 5 minute outpatient procedure, and practically foolproof. Women who have cv risk factors that prohibit taking the combined pill can use it. There are very few people who cannot use it.

Now when there is a safer, cheaper, more reversible, more effective option out there, a patient who comes at you screeching that you'd better give her the worse option is going to come off like an ignorant harpy, right?
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If Americans had actually listened to their doctors more, maybe they wouldn't have become so obese. Everyone thinks they know whats best for their bodies.
 
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