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This movie will be a massive insult to everyone who was in the Prequels and OT who is still alive. If Cushing, Lee, or Fisher were still alive, you bet your ass they would be degraded on film like what happened with Hamill.
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Short answer is they can be.
Studios can (and do) put crazy restrictions on actors - many of them wouldn't actually stand up in court, but the studios have entire lawfirms worth of lawyers, the average actor does not. Media gag orders and such are common. Plus if you do violate a contract term about leaks or secrecy, even if you suffer no immediate or legal consequences, you are going to be known as someone who tries to weasel out of contracts.
For example, Ted DiBase was a prowrestler under the stage title Million Dollar Man. The character's persona was one of a rich dude, but the guy was making about middle-class salary. It was stipulated in his contract that he couldn't be seen 'out of character' - so no shopping for groceries or anything else a 'rich guy' would have servants do.
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...Jesus Christ, wtf. He's just a wrestler. How many people would have even recognized him never mind make a big deal about him shopping anyway.
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TBF the company paid for first class tickers and 5 star hotels, as well as giving him a couple grand in $100s so he could go do shit like buy gum with $100 bill or buy drinks for the entire bar. But home on break he had to basically stay indoors because he couldn't be seen doing lawn work.
IIRC he was also discouraged from being seen with his wife, because she wasn't "trophy wife" material (I think he told them to fuck off on that point though.)
He ended up hating it (and being resented by his coworkers; the adherence to image made some of his fellow wrestlers believe the houses in palm beach and the carribbean that were rented to film segments staring his character were actually where he was living) and contributed greatly to his decision to retire as a full-time wrestler.
This was also in the late 80s/early 90s iirc, so they were still trying to pretend wrestling was real and not just semi-scripted entertainment.
bonus fun fact, The Million Dollar Man had a valet/man servant character, Virgil.
(Yes, the same sad and alone at the conference table Wrestling Superstar Virgil)
Anyway, you've always got the option not to sign to tell the studio to go fuck themselves, but often this is someone's first big break and if you walk away or don't sign, you can now be seen as a "bad investment" or 'time waster' Unless you've got enough people willing to back you about the contract being shit.
This sort of thing is also on way out, huge events like GoT, some Marvel, and Star Wars aside. Most studios have realized the internet has made is anything that can leak will leak, but the old adage about any press being good press holds true and leaks don't seem to hurt sales (and in fact strategic leaks can create good buzz). The Mouse in general cares less about normies knowing the plots to their movies, and more about trying to delay the arrival of low-rent ripoffs. If the 3rd & 4th hand information from Industry Relative is true.
Studios get away with this because being a principal actor in a film is a 'lifestyle occupation'. Actors are PR representatives of their films, so their employers can place greater restrictions on what they can and can't do on their own time. (If people saw Flo coming out of a State Farm office, it would hurt Progressive's ad campaign, etc.)
Specifically regarding this being ordered by the mouse not to take the stage, they probably could have told Disney to fuck off. But have you ever been told to do something by your boss that, strictly speaking, you didn't have to do but did anyway because it wouldn't be worth the hassle or possible ill-will from the person who governs your employment to tell them no? Likely that sort of deal.
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Given some of the rather strict, unusual, or questionable provisions in the contracts average people are asked to sign, it's not surprising that studious would be just as restrictive -- if not more-so -- with their actors and actresses.
With Disney acquiring so many other properties lately, it's practically reached the point they could have a de facto monopoly over both actors and intellectual property. So, as much an actor might like to tell Disney to go hug an ignited lightsaber, the truth is that non-Disney options for acting gigs are very limited at best. Worse, those companies probably would be strongly encouraged by Disney not to take on their "malcontents." So, these actors will go along with any restrictions on their contracts, no matter how draconian, because they don't want both their public and their private reputation to be anything less than that of the metaphorical team player who doesn't cause unnecessary drama or issues with their highers-up.
More on topic, it wouldn't be surprising if this panel was canceled if Sir Anthony Daniels inadvertently made or confirmed a leak. However, with the movie in re-shoots with stuff still in a potential state of flux, how hard must it be for our poor acting cast to keep everything straight? Ordinarily, I'd think Disney would want its SW cast promoting and touting the new film to drum up interest in it. The fact Disney doesn't want the film talked about much out of fear the seasoned members of its cast will leak major spoilers is rather peculiar.
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If they wanted to build momentum for the film all they needed to do was have The Emperor be carted around in Disney World while fully in character and enduring all the popular tourist spots like having his photo taken on Splash Mountain.
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It's been nearly half a decade since 2015. That was really when the revival started wasnt it?
As a kid I loved Star Wars. But A New Hope was the only one I saw. I finally saw the following 80s Films in the year 2000. I had a general idea of characters from them but didnt see either V or VI for full until then.
I saw Episode 1 and actually saw it during the five years my island had a cinema. Me, my sister and my father had a blast. It was incredible making the memory of seeing a brand new Star Wars movie with my family. My dad was big on 60s & 70s Space dramas, so he helped me learn of the Star Wars lore.
But when I got home after the amazing experience I just couldn't stop hearing people say how awful Phantom menace was. Too much CGI, Jar Jar Binks is stupid, etc.
I was living the life where a brand new Star Wars movie was coming out in my lifetime. And the world hated it. This was something that was supposed to happen. I always knew the first movies weren't the first stories. My dad even told me someday Episode 1 is coming as far back as 1991.
I expected to live that someday moment.
And the world ruined it for me when it did.
Now, its 2019. Still haven't seen anything from Force Awakens and up. Got no clue who Kylo Renn is, the name of the roly-poly droid, and I dont even keep track of the little side stories. Hans and Landos really felt 2 months apart.
As a kid I loved Star Wars. But A New Hope was the only one I saw. I finally saw the following 80s Films in the year 2000. I had a general idea of characters from them but didnt see either V or VI for full until then.
I saw Episode 1 and actually saw it during the five years my island had a cinema. Me, my sister and my father had a blast. It was incredible making the memory of seeing a brand new Star Wars movie with my family. My dad was big on 60s & 70s Space dramas, so he helped me learn of the Star Wars lore.
But when I got home after the amazing experience I just couldn't stop hearing people say how awful Phantom menace was. Too much CGI, Jar Jar Binks is stupid, etc.
I was living the life where a brand new Star Wars movie was coming out in my lifetime. And the world hated it. This was something that was supposed to happen. I always knew the first movies weren't the first stories. My dad even told me someday Episode 1 is coming as far back as 1991.
I expected to live that someday moment.
And the world ruined it for me when it did.
Now, its 2019. Still haven't seen anything from Force Awakens and up. Got no clue who Kylo Renn is, the name of the roly-poly droid, and I dont even keep track of the little side stories. Hans and Landos really felt 2 months apart.
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UNLIMITED MAGIC!!!!!!!!!!!
also reminds me of this bit from before smile and optimism was gone
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I think that would be absolutely hilarious. I mean, the Emperor put on a fake face for the public at large, but a good actor would be able to put on a smile while not so blatantly thinking "why can't I just electrocute everyone here?!"
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Nah, smile and optomism had left the franchise when C-3PO and R2-D2 stopped being it's spokesmen.
That was before Disney...
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Usually you just sign an NDA and that's that. Disney is known for being touchy about their properties, engaging very nasty behavior to keep the squeaky clean image of their media output, so having additional riders about public appearances is very likely.
Just speculating, but my guess is the reshoots are why they didn't want them going on stage. They seem to be making fairly large changes, so the only thing worse than the plot being leaked is an old plot being leaked.
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With Disney being a rather sinister and dickish corporation, I wouldn't put it past them to bully other smaller studios around, threatening legal action over unrelated stuff.
"Oh, so you want to hire the actor/writer that told the press something we wanted to keep secret that got him on our shit-list? How peculiar... Hey! Remember that thing you did a few years ago and we very nearly sued you over it? And now you hire that guy. We didn't sue you back then, but we could still sue you now... or over something else with your next movie. Just sayin'..."
Let me stop you right there.
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Pretty sure it was just a sad attempt at trying to boost interest via mystery and controversy or some dumb shit. Shame I still don't care, because this screams JarJar Abrams' approach and paying shills to screech fake news for him.
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Apparently George Lucas is rumored to be involved with reshoots, which are still happening.
According to entertainment journalist Art Tavana, Disney will be reshooting entire scenes and apparently, “things aren’t looking good” right now for the picture.
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According to entertainment journalist Art Tavana, Disney will be reshooting entire scenes and apparently, “things aren’t looking good” right now for the picture.
Art Tavana said:
The Rise Of Skywalker Set For Heavy Reshoots As Things Aren't Looking Good
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is apparently set to undergo heavy reshoots as things aren't looking good for the upcoming blockbuster.
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'Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker' Reshoots Continue; Movie Not In Trouble
Reshoots of “Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker” are currently ongoing in undisclosed locations.
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Oh good they brought back the guy who said a while ago that the Titanic should head north, I'm sure he'll rearrange the deck chairs in a way that changes things!Apparently George Lucas is rumored to be involved with reshoots, which are still happening.
According to entertainment journalist Art Tavana, Disney will be reshooting entire scenes and apparently, “things aren’t looking good” right now for the picture.
The Rise Of Skywalker Set For Heavy Reshoots As Things Aren't Looking Good
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is apparently set to undergo heavy reshoots as things aren't looking good for the upcoming blockbuster.
'Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker' Reshoots Continue; Movie Not In Trouble
Reshoots of “Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker” are currently ongoing in undisclosed locations.
And holy shit they're _still_ doing reshoots? Aren't the old legends that Lucas finished the last reel of ANH as the first reel started rolling at the premier?
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Reshoots are a pretty common thing in movie making, I guess... but is there any movie that was improved by widespread reshooting of stuff?
I'm thinking about what movies there are where reshoots improved the movie, but I can't really think of one. I can see movies being improved by little reshoots, but this seems much more excessive and Rogue One/Solo already showed us, that this hardly works with the current people behind SW.
With IX, I am absolutely expecting a complete mess of a movie. Instead of a vision that took shape in a movie, it'll be corporate commission-mandated scenes of " 'memba Star WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARS?!" moments, interspersed with vain attempts to peddle their new characters as replacements.
I can't see how this movie can turn out as anything but an incoherent, disjointed, staggeringly poorly constructed mess of a movie. It'll be its own perfect microcosm of completely botched bullshit in a trilogy of incoherent, disjointed, staggeringly poorly constructed mess of movies.
I halfway expect them to release a movie with plotthreads that end up going nowhere, cause they messed up so much, they accidentally cut the payoff to certain setups. Or they straight away forgot to make those payoffs. Or they have payoffs to things that were never set up before.
In short, I expect another Suicide Squad/Batman v Superman... given that one of the guys working on this movie as a writer is the guy who already committed the crime of writing Batman v. Superman and Justice League, I think it's a safe bet.
I'm thinking about what movies there are where reshoots improved the movie, but I can't really think of one. I can see movies being improved by little reshoots, but this seems much more excessive and Rogue One/Solo already showed us, that this hardly works with the current people behind SW.
With IX, I am absolutely expecting a complete mess of a movie. Instead of a vision that took shape in a movie, it'll be corporate commission-mandated scenes of " 'memba Star WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARS?!" moments, interspersed with vain attempts to peddle their new characters as replacements.
I can't see how this movie can turn out as anything but an incoherent, disjointed, staggeringly poorly constructed mess of a movie. It'll be its own perfect microcosm of completely botched bullshit in a trilogy of incoherent, disjointed, staggeringly poorly constructed mess of movies.
I halfway expect them to release a movie with plotthreads that end up going nowhere, cause they messed up so much, they accidentally cut the payoff to certain setups. Or they straight away forgot to make those payoffs. Or they have payoffs to things that were never set up before.
In short, I expect another Suicide Squad/Batman v Superman... given that one of the guys working on this movie as a writer is the guy who already committed the crime of writing Batman v. Superman and Justice League, I think it's a safe bet.
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Jesus christ, it's going to be two and a half fucking hours of lens flares, member berries, and disjointed aping of the OT's conclusion, but with none of the emotional payoff of having seen Luke complete his journey. Rey has not changed at all and due to her nature as a perfect Mary Sue Snowflake, cannot improve in any way, shape, or form. There's nothing to celebrate when she inevitably defeats Kylo and the Emperor and the entire Dark Side of the Force in a stunning display... because we were here from the start. Nobody cheers at the start of a marathon, and yet, Rey is still sitting right where she started.
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This movie has disaster written all over it.
Reshoots are common. That is true. BUT to be doing reshoots this extensive just a few months before the movie comes out is not a good sign.
Reshoots are common. That is true. BUT to be doing reshoots this extensive just a few months before the movie comes out is not a good sign.
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I think Disney knows this. It might just be because I'm using an adblocker, but I have seen almost nothing of or about IX.
Hell, I still call it IX even though we know its title. Its stupid, grammatically incorrect memberberry title.
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My projections is that the movie will be a Justice League size disappointment both critically and commercially.