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After Marina Sirtis it's Kate Mulgrew's time to virtue-signal in hope to get a phone call from Kurtzman.

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After Marina Sirtis it's Kate Mulgrew's time to virtue-signal in hope to get a phone call from Kurtzman.

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Kate Mulgrew also got tricked into appearing in a "documentary" that promotes geocentrism and bullied Jeri Ryan all the time on set because she was jealous of her. Nothing she says really matters.
 
Like in a way I feel for mulgrew, because until 7, The captain was always the main focus of the show. They were the one that would get the TV guide covers and all of that jazz. Here comes Jeri and suddenly everything you were told would be yours now belongs to someone else coming in at the halfway point.

I have a theory though that their bad blood is actually what made their conflict scenes pretty good.
 
To try and get back on topic, my dad was incapable of using the internet and he guessed right away that they were going to use B4 to ressurect Data. I dunno if that's a point for or against Star Trek: Picard yet, but that prediction is ten fucking years older than that show is.
It's not exactly an impressive prediction, frankly. I think everyone knew that's what was going to happen... and then they never made another movie.
 
After Marina Sirtis it's Kate Mulgrew's time to virtue-signal in hope to get a phone call from Kurtzman.

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Wow, what a fucking moron. She begins by praising Roddenberry and then calls him a misogynist and sexist.

What she means to say is androcentric. But, since misogyny(an extreme word)has now become a misused 'catch all' buzz word: all it enduces is yawns and eyerolls to the robotic harpies that repeat it....
 
I'll say one thing, if Picard Trek officially brings Data back to life, I'll have legitimate reason to write off the last TNG film forever, and that is a very good thing.
Probably best to just write off all the TNG films anyway. With the exception of first contact (which was pretty good in spite of itself) they're all trash.
 
Probably best to just write off all the TNG films anyway. With the exception of first contact (which was pretty good in spite of itself) they're all trash.
You mean the Aliens rip off, that had such great lines as "Assimilate This".....

Nah, they all sucked. Made for fun Picard Tommy gun memes though....

I have a distinct memory of coming out of the theater for "First Contact": the audience reaction was indifference. Except for one person:

This 'adult' person was the physical incarnation of "the comic book guy" and in passing smelled like a fermenting sock....

In his stained T shirt, shorts, glasses, and unkept facial hair, runs to the lobby phones. He is hyperventilating...

He loudly, with absolutely no sense of tone awareness, declares on the phone:

"You wont believe it Dad, they made first contact with a Vulcan!!"

It was kind of endearing in an extremely pathetic way...
 
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Wow, what a fucking moron. She begins by praising Roddenberry and then calls him a misogynist and sexist.

What she means to say is androcentric. But, since misogyny(an extreme word)has now become a misused 'catch all' buzz word: all it enduces is yawns and eyerolls to the robotic harpies that repeat it....

There were actually some pretty sexist episodes of TOS. I wouldn't neccesarily say TOS as a whole was sexist, but there were some really shit moments that have horrified casual viewers when they decided to binge the series. Roddenberry was also a borderline creepy sex pervert and often worked some weird fantasies into his work. Reading some of his design notes for Phase II or TNG can illuminate this, especially in regards to the Deltan race. I wouldn't say he flat-out hated women though, that's just ridiculous.
 
There were actually some pretty sexist episodes of TOS. I wouldn't neccesarily say TOS as a whole was sexist, but there were some really shit moments that have horrified casual viewers when they decided to binge the series. Roddenberry was also a borderline creepy sex pervert and often worked some weird fantasies into his work. Reading some of his design notes for Phase II or TNG can illuminate this, especially in regards to the Deltan race. I wouldn't say he flat-out hated women though, that's just ridiculous.

TOS was a product of its time. He still had, in the pilot, Majel Barret placed as number one. Uhurra, which was extremely progressive for its time.

Female starfleet officers, judges, captains, admirals. You could infer that woman of the federation were treated equally as men....

Granted, Kirk liked fucking women and was slightly patronizing at times. Yes, the finale had a bizzare ending with Kirk getting possed by a woman and proceeding to have a neurotic breakdown. But that ending sucked and everyone hated it.

The main fault of TOS(in a modern context), the main dynamic did not include a woman. Most of the supporting cast are males. Hence, andocentric. But, as you said, far from women hating...

She also segued that criticism to TNG, which bent over backwards at times to show gender equality....

Whatever...

I think its bitching by Mulgrew because most fans view her as the worst captain. Since she has a massive ego(apparently), she can't possibly see why fans disliked her other than sexism.

Therefore, Star Trek needs even more female representation to fix its fanbase fulled of toxic masculinity....

I'm also going to go out on a limb and say she has never watched a single episode of 'Star Trek discovery'. But, she will comment on why fans must not like it...racism/sexism...
 
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I think its bitching by Mulgrew because most fans view her as the worst captain. Since she has a massive ego(apparently), she can't possibly see why fans disliked her other than sexism.
Which is kinda funny, since apparently, she hated Janeway, too, and played her like a lunatic, since the character writing was such a fuckup.
 
Probably best to just write off all the TNG films anyway. With the exception of first contact (which was pretty good in spite of itself) they're all trash.
The problem with that is they're explicitly referenced in DS9, my favorite Trek, so I'm bound to them forever unless it's retconned somehow.
 
Kate Mulgrew is a good actress but a shitty person.

Janeway was a Trainwreck that I'm still convinced was designed to fail. My autistic theory is they really wanted Russ for Captain, but not as Tuvok (cuz vulcan captains are boring), but someone with a corner office wanted that sweet 90s feminism cred.
 
Kate Mulgrew is a good actress but a shitty person.

Janeway was a Trainwreck that I'm still convinced was designed to fail. My autistic theory is they really wanted Russ for Captain, but not as Tuvok (cuz vulcan captains are boring), but someone with a corner office wanted that sweet 90s feminism cred.
I don't think so, most Voyager episodes that I can actually remember are just rewrites of TNG episodes, but without any understanding of what makes them interesting. Janeway is just Lady Picard, with hardly any defining characteristics of her own.

I actually have no knowledge of the staff behind Voyager, but it's either the same writers from TNG running out of steam, the good writers being funneled into DS9 while the fillerfags worked on Voyager (might explain why Voyager became more watchable in its last couple seasons), or if it was an entirely new staff that just didn't have the same level of talent (not very likely)
 
Voyager showrunners were TNG and deep space nine writers who got failed forward. Just look at some of Moore's comments about how fucked the show was.

From a business standpoint they were probably quite scared to go out there and make a risky show because it was the only thing holding UPN together.

Plus when you really get down to brass tats Voyager is a concept that can be distilled down into lost in space but Star trek. Lost in space is Swiss family Robinson but in space. just about anything you do is going to be derivative at that point.

What they could have done though is put a little more 'edge' in the show. I don't mean that in the current year meme sense. More like keep the tension between starfleet and the Maquis. Don't write episodes where Voyager is miraculously repaired in minutes. Maybe tension is a better word after all. Voyager had none.
 
Voyager is a concept that can be distilled down into lost in space but Star trek.
Yep, Voyager had the perfect setting but they killed it after the first episode. It should've been like what Moore did with BSG or Brad Wright with Stargate Universe, not necessary all doom and gloom but like you said, the tension between the Voyager crew and the Maquis should've stayed for more than one episode and they would've learned to coexist in that uncharted place of the galaxy. They didn't even have alliances with other alien races, it could've been interesting to have their own Federation.
I sometimes meme about Captain Ransom when talking about Voyager but his story was way more interesting than 7 seasons of VOY.
 
See if I were doing the ransom storyline I would have swapped out his ship and Voyager.

Make his ship the one in like new condition because he's enslaving the weird alien things, and avoiding all the Delta Quadrant bullshit.

Voyager is all fucked up from slowboating through hostile territory for years. Nothing works right anymore, but she's still got guns and a warp drive.

Ransom offers help, Janeway figures out how they're in such great shape, instant conflict and a sense of danger.

Skip all the weird seven in ransoms mind bullshit.

The problem is I think I basically wrote that BSG two parter with the other Battlestar.
 
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