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Crazedking said:
How can the camera veer to the right when the camera never moved also its fucking cropped. Also can someone find the timestamp for the picture?
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Found it. From Nick's fourth depo video:


Lemoine's question and Vic's response start at 1:00:47 (for some reason YouTube isn't giving me the option to copy the URL with the timestamp attached on this video, so you'll have to seek it yourself). The camera does seem to move right for some reason at 1:01:31. The screenshot itself seems to be from around 1:01:41-44 and I would say actually does fairly represent the gesture Vic makes there.

TheSoutherStar said:
you are WAAAAY too emotionally invested in this, the world will still move along and life goes on even if vic is found guilty
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To be clear, Vic will not be found guilty, legally speaking, in this procedure, as he is not a defendant.

I updated http://collabedit.com/vccd7 with an index of Marchi's filing, as well as various clarifications/corrections of MoRon's one. I agree that it is a far more coherent and professional-looking document (not to mention shorter). It gives all the more testament that MoRon's defense is being run like a clown show. In fact, were I on Marchi's or Funi's defense, I'd probably be angry at Lemoine et al for making them look stupid by association.

As for those feeling bad for Michele, I have to agree. Having gone through a disastrous divorce in which it became apparent both during and afterwards that my wife had been very dishonest with me for years - not cheating, that I can prove anyway, but still a whole lot of saying "I love you" to my face while scheming behind my back - I think I can understand her hostility, as I certainly still hold it towards my ex as well.
 
Beavis said:
I think they're just trying to slag Vic to keep him from getting con appearances and VA jobs. The only party that would try to settle after a TCPA failure would be funimation. Monica and Jamie can't settle without giving up other people and apologize for lying about Vic. They'll be finished in the VA community.
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I'm relatively sure for Marchi, but I'm damn near 98% certain for Monica that she's finished in the VA community, anyways, right now. It's whatever with other VA's backing her, but as far as the companies are concerned, to a very vocal part of the audience that actually have money, her name is mud and so will future projects with her name attached to them. (I can already see the future mockery of whenever an anime that she voiced in comes out in a box set, comments about BuT iM tHe MaIn ChArAcTeR wHy IsNt My NaMe On ThErE) And even with the VA's who are offering her support, especially the male VA's, there is always going to be that twinge of doubt and uncertainty in the back of their minds as to whether or not he's going to be the next one up on the chopping block (coughcoughSchemmelcough). No one in the industry is going to trust her, anymore. Now, they can pull a Comic's Industry and keep her on out of spite to the fans, but I don't think these dubbing companies have the same kind of deep, deep, deep Disney pockets like Marvel does to reward failure if the projects that she's associated with start noticeably losing money. Easier to just cast her off and aside, and continue on trying to pretend like nothing ever happened.

Seeing MoRon's TCPA, it kind of feels like a Kamikaze dive from them, hoping to do enough damage that they take Vic down with them.


Also, as an aside, for anyone concerned over Vic's lack of defending himself against the accusations that Sprecht shot at him in her emails in his responses, I wouldn't actually think much of it. General Relationship Advice 101: when your partner is that angry and upset, anything that you say that isn't "baby i'm so sorry" is going to be immediately rejected, and just make them angrier. If you deny the charges, then you're just a lying piece of shit. If you show proof that they're mistaken, then you never give a shit about how they feel and/or it was your responsibility to not let yourself get into a situation that could have been misinterpreted in such a way. Or they just completely ignore your proof because being wrong just makes them more enraged, and then they're throwing out insults that are specifically handcrafted to cut you right to the quick, to get you just as pissed off and fighting with them so that now they feel justified in their rage.

Again, that's very general relationship stuff, does not apply to every case obviously, and you might find yourself lucky enough to be with someone that facts and logic are a decelerator to their rage. But typically, the best thing to do is offer platitudes to try to take the angry winds out of their sails until they're calm enough that you can try to have an actual conversation.

Also, this isn't to defend Vic's cheating. It's a shitty thing to do. A human thing to do, but a shitty thing, and obviously he shouldn't have. But his not immediately coming out and saying, in emails that should have been private and between the two of them, that all/most/some/one of the charges against him are false is not, imho, any indication of him being a rampant child molesting rapists.
 
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Ivan Shatov said:
Alright, I've read through all 529 pages of Ron and Monica's TCPA, along with Jamie's motion (minus the exhibits.)

While IANAL and certainly not an expert in Texas Anti-SLAAP, my guess is Ron and Monica's document is a trojan horse. Here's why.

Ron and Monica's TCPA doesn't read like a legal document. It reads like opposition research, the kind one would prepare as part of a political campaign. The motion itself spells out talking points more than an argument, the exhibits are stories that are mostly free from facts. What struck me about each affidavits is how clearly a grudge / motive to lie could be discerned. A professional would have ensured the stories are related in a way that's more matter-of-fact, dispassionate, and expresses a common theme carrying over between each of the complaints. Each complaint would have been compressed into something that directly conveys its point, deflects questions about intent, and makes makes clear accusations of sexual assault that at least come close to the legal definition.

The thing is, the affidavits only attack Vic's character. They don't present evidence of sexual assault. They do create the impression "where there's smoke, there's fire," since enough people are complaining this dramatically the underlying accusations must be true.

I think they are hoping a judge will tear their motion to shreds so they can claim the justice system is rigged to only protect straight white males. They want to turn this into a cause, fundraise around it, and get on the same ground Vic - fighting a legal battle funded by people who agree with them. They're hoping a sympathetic high net-worth supporter will come along, be outraged over the situation, then decide their (supposedly) just cause deserves support.

Saying this because lawyers generally won't submit documents this dumb to the court. The arguments it makes are political, not legal, and lean heavily on the idea of non-quantifiable power imbalances between Vic and others in the industry. The kind of person who would be sympathetic to this kind of argument would likely have run into a few glass ceilings in their own career and is willing to put perceived patterns above fact when considering the question of truth. That person is also a little skeptical and needs to see the system actually failing before they act, they're probably familiar with some similar situations that turned out to be deficient.

Ron and Monica are not capable of playing 4D chess and I suspect (at a personal level) they would drive away anyone interested in helping their cause. There is a lot about them not to like, starting with the fact they lack self-control. But, sometimes, people come along who are interested in fighting on principle. This document reads like a lightning rod designed to attract their attention, and Jamie's seems to be designed to express the idea there are still adults in the room.

I'd like to someday know who contributed to writing these documents. The general structure of Ron and Monica's does not appear to come from an attorney.
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This is Lemoine’s 8+ months. He expects to lose the TCPA and appeal it. Bogging things down for almost a year.
 
Pixis said:
Privileged in this context means that the statements made by the defendants are privileged from being considered defamatory.
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Ivan Shatov said:
Alright, I've read through all 529 pages of Ron and Monica's TCPA, along with Jamie's motion (minus the exhibits.)

While IANAL and certainly not an expert in Texas Anti-SLAAP, my guess is Ron and Monica's document is a trojan horse. Here's why.

Ron and Monica's TCPA doesn't read like a legal document. It reads like opposition research, the kind one would prepare as part of a political campaign. The motion itself spells out talking points more than an argument, the exhibits are stories that are mostly free from facts. What struck me about each affidavits is how clearly a grudge / motive to lie could be discerned. A professional would have ensured the stories are related in a way that's more matter-of-fact, dispassionate, and expresses a common theme carrying over between each of the complaints. Each complaint would have been compressed into something that directly conveys its point, deflects questions about intent, and makes makes clear accusations of sexual assault that at least come close to the legal definition.

The thing is, the affidavits only attack Vic's character. They don't present evidence of sexual assault. They do create the impression "where there's smoke, there's fire," since enough people are complaining this dramatically the underlying accusations must be true.

I think they are hoping a judge will tear their motion to shreds so they can claim the justice system is rigged to only protect straight white males. They want to turn this into a cause, fundraise around it, and get on the same ground Vic - fighting a legal battle funded by people who agree with them. They're hoping a sympathetic high net-worth supporter will come along, be outraged over the situation, then decide their (supposedly) just cause deserves support.

Saying this because lawyers generally won't submit documents this dumb to the court. The arguments it makes are political, not legal, and lean heavily on the idea of non-quantifiable power imbalances between Vic and others in the industry. The kind of person who would be sympathetic to this kind of argument would likely have run into a few glass ceilings in their own career and is willing to put perceived patterns above fact when considering the question of truth. That person is also a little skeptical and needs to see the system actually failing before they act, they're probably familiar with some similar situations that turned out to be deficient.

Ron and Monica are not capable of playing 4D chess and I suspect (at a personal level) they would drive away anyone interested in helping their cause. There is a lot about them not to like, starting with the fact they lack self-control. But, sometimes, people come along who are interested in fighting on principle. This document reads like a lightning rod designed to attract their attention, and Jamie's seems to be designed to express the idea there are still adults in the room.

I'd like to someday know who contributed to writing these documents. The general structure of Ron and Monica's does not appear to come from an attorney.
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Again, mission accomplished? If anything, it’s them taking everybody with them down. As for the privileged TCPA, they did what they wanted to do through the proceeding, and since the judge might not have even heard of Kiwi Farms, much less know much about anime in general, he probably doesn’t see the stupid games being played.

Beavis said:
I think they're just trying to slag Vic to keep him from getting con appearances and VA jobs. The only party that would try to settle after a TCPA failure would be funimation. Monica and Jamie can't settle without giving up other people and apologize for lying about Vic. They'll be finished in the VA community.
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You think they care about that? They always double down. And in the event that they’re out of work, they’ll have a huge martyr complex.

Ivan Shatov said:
I almost agree. That would seem like the most practical outcome.

But Ron and Monica don't have a way to walk this back. In a way, a settlement with a public statement is worse than bankruptcy, they lose the perceived integrity that comes along with being a victim. If they lose all their assets they still get to say it's Vic's fault. If they admit to being liars, they still end up bankrupt because no one trusts them ever again - it just gets delayed a few more years.

So they backed themselves into a corner. Jamie's in the same boat, hard to see her voluntarily admitting to what she's done. Funimation maybe.

Given the content of the motions, their compulsive behavior, and the attention they are getting on Twitter, there's a lot to suggest they are angling for financial support.
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I think they’ll get it. SJWs can make a pretty penny from virtue signaliers and their fellow SJWs. And Kotaku and the like will publish articles promoting it.

GeneralMint said:
There is no way they are getting financial support. Vic is accused of what is basically pedophilia and rape and his fans got him a quarter mil. There are very few people who are going to give cash to this dumpster fire they started because ron just publicly cemented that they are snydley whiplash calibur villains and their main supporters are liars who have been discredited.
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You underestimate how much SJWs will be willing to fight and go down with their ship.

giraffes on coffee said:
OneHandClapping I love your avatar lol
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Best one was of a girl pinching someone in the face repeatedly.
 
giraffes on coffee said:
I'm sorry....but I'm beginning to have some doubts. There are many testimonies in here. Three could be lying, yeah, but ALL of them?

I will say Kara's bothers me because if he scared you so much, why did you agree to audition for STC? He scares you and harassed you every time you saw him yet you're gonna use him to further your acting career? Yeah, I don't buy that one.

But the handlers talking about his behavior. Why would they lie?

I just don't know. Michele claims someone who was underage when vic slept with her told her. Many people have come to her. Her letter is the most damning.

I don't feel safe airing my doubts anywhere else. Can I here? Is this a safe place for me to do so?

I'm very upset to the point of tears. I suffer from depression and this is really taking me out right now..
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Jesus Tits, you need to relax a little bit. Unless you're named in the suit, you don't have anything to worry about.

Unplug and have a Fresca.
 
850833

Quit it please
 
What are the odds that BHBH have a sworn affidavit from Mari Iijima that refutes the claims by Manjaw et al about Vic stalking her 2007?
 
5t3n0g0ph3r said:
What are the odds that BHBH have a sworn affidavit from Mari Iijima that refutes the claims by Manjaw et al about Vic stalking her 2007?
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Non-Zero but it's not really relevant unless a named party repeated the story or was caught conspiring with Manjaw. Did I miss something since wednesday besides Rial getting btfo by Stan's affidavit?
 
Least Concern said:
Found it. From Nick's fourth depo video:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5AgS20fiLHc
Lemoine's question and Vic's response start at 1:00:47 (for some reason YouTube isn't giving me the option to copy the URL with the timestamp attached on this video, so you'll have to seek it yourself). The camera does seem to move right for some reason at 1:01:31. The screenshot itself seems to be from around 1:01:41-44 and I would say actually does fairly represent the gesture Vic makes there.


To be clear, Vic will not be found guilty, legally speaking, in this procedure, as he is not a defendant.

I updated http://collabedit.com/vccd7 with an index of Marchi's filing, as well as various clarifications/corrections of MoRon's one. I agree that it is a far more coherent and professional-looking document (not to mention shorter). It gives all the more testament that MoRon's defense is being run like a clown show. In fact, were I on Marchi's or Funi's defense, I'd probably be angry at Lemoine et al for making them look stupid by association.

As for those feeling bad for Michele, I have to agree. Having gone through a disastrous divorce in which it became apparent both during and afterwards that my wife had been very dishonest with me for years - not cheating, that I can prove anyway, but still a whole lot of saying "I love you" to my face while scheming behind my back - I think I can understand her hostility, as I certainly still hold it towards my ex as well.
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It isn’t just that Lemoine’s filing makes them look stupid by association. It is that things referenced in both it, and the depos, can be used to help unwind their own TCPA’s. For example that Monica e-mail seeking guidance from Funi. There is a reference in MoRonica’s filing that one of the Funi operatives was directly arranging for con scheduling for Vic. Stuff like that comes back to hurt not just Ron and Monica.

Questioning_Huggers said:
I'm relatively sure for Marchi, but I'm damn near 98% certain for Monica that she's finished in the VA community, anyways, right now. It's whatever with other VA's backing her, but as far as the companies are concerned, to a very vocal part of the audience that actually have money, her name is mud and so will future projects with her name attached to them. (I can already see the future mockery of whenever an anime that she voiced in comes out in a box set, comments about BuT iM tHe MaIn ChArAcTeR wHy IsNt My NaMe On ThErE) And even with the VA's who are offering her support, especially the male VA's, there is always going to be that twinge of doubt and uncertainty in the back of their minds as to whether or not he's going to be the next one up on the chopping block (coughcoughSchemmelcough). No one in the industry is going to trust her, anymore. Now, they can pull a Comic's Industry and keep her on out of spite to the fans, but I don't think these dubbing companies have the same kind of deep, deep, deep Disney pockets like Marvel does to reward failure if the projects that she's associated with start noticeably losing money. Easier to just cast her off and aside, and continue on trying to pretend like nothing ever happened.

Seeing MoRon's TCPA, it kind of feels like a Kamikaze dive from them, hoping to do enough damage that they take Vic down with them.


Also, as an aside, for anyone concerned over Vic's lack of defending himself against the accusations that Sprecht shot at him in her emails in his responses, I wouldn't actually think much of it. General Relationship Advice 101: when your partner is that angry and upset, anything that you say that isn't "baby i'm so sorry" is going to be immediately rejected, and just make them angrier. If you deny the charges, then you're just a lying piece of shit. If you show proof that they're mistaken, then you never give a shit about how they feel and/or it was your responsibility to not let yourself get into a situation that could have been misinterpreted in such a way. Or they just completely ignore your proof because being wrong just makes them more enraged, and then they're throwing out insults that are specifically handcrafted to cut you right to the quick, to get you just as pissed off and fighting with them so that now they feel justified in their rage.

Again, that's very general relationship stuff, does not apply to every case obviously, and you might find yourself lucky enough to be with someone that facts and logic are a decelerator to their rage. But typically, the best thing to do is offer platitudes to try to take the angry winds out of their sails until they're calm enough that you can try to have an actual conversation.

Also, this isn't to defend Vic's cheating. It's a shitty thing to do. A human thing to do, but a shitty thing, and obviously he shouldn't have. But his not immediately coming out and saying, in emails that should have been private and between the two of them, that all/most/some/one of the charges against him are false is not, imho, any indication of him being a rampant child molesting rapists.
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I got the impression from Monica’s depo that work was already drying up. She made some comment to the effect that she normally spent X hours a week doing VA work. But nowhere near that recently. The way she said it made it clear, the phone isn’t ringing anymore.

Look at that insane GFM of Vic’s. The anime houses and cons realize that that is money being thrown to Vic instead of towards Funimation, Rooster Teeth or Crunchyroll subscriptions. 7000 donors, -$240000 = about $35 per person over a 3-4 month period. Which is almost exactly what a Funi or Crunchyroll sub costs. Hmmmm? Add to this that Funi’s last mass subscriber cancellation was also directly tied to Marchi (complaints over the offensive feminist crap inserted into Dubs) and you can see where these two are becoming a bit of a liability. They won’t be fired. Any roles they currently voice will continue as needed, such as Monica’s Friog girl in My Hero Academia. But new projects? Hell no! And the con invites have got to be cratering. Most cons aren’t taking sides. They are just anti controversy. But the cons aren’t liking the bullshit pulled on Kamehacon, nor the stuff going on with the PA cons. They don’t need this shit. At least Vic draws a crowd which pays for any headaches. These two? Better to book somebody else.
 
5t3n0g0ph3r said:
What are the odds that BHBH have a sworn affidavit from Mari Iijima that refutes the claims by Manjaw et al about Vic stalking her 2007?
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I don't think it'll stick around that long to matter, there is so much wrong with virtually all of the affidavits submitted by MoRon's TCPA that I expect most of them will get tossed.
 
The more I think about it, the more Vic’s ex’s email sounds unfounded. If she really did have all these logs of information of Vic with dozens of women, why wouldn’t the texts, videos, and pics not be submitted as evidence? Am I missing something?

Because to me it sounds like she knows he cheated on her repeatedly but that’s the extent. I wager Vic was the one who told her. She keeps claiming all this other evidence but all I’m imagining is a scorned lover believing what anonymous people are telling her

“He cheated on me so of course he would try to rape little con goers”
That’s how I’m imagining her mindset
 
GeneralMint said:
Marzgurl's gfm demonstrates they talk with their keyboards but not with their wallets.
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Just from observing this for a few years over multiple controversies SJW donating typically seems to peak around $5000. Sometimes a few grand more. But they aren’t real big givers. Their entire political philosophy is predicated in getting others to pay for their stuff. Needy people get paid for using other people’s money. Never theirs. There will of course be exceptions if they can in some way mainstream the campaign and attract normies. But the zealots? $5000’ish.
 
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