Mikumikudance (MMD) - A weeaboo's animation program filled with cringy fetish art and drama

[DinosaursNotHipsters]

If they want to get a Source game they could just download TF2 (which is free to play). And SFM is completely free so these weebs have no excuse whatsoever.

Many of them are too spergy to even do that; I've talked to quite a few spergs and many of them are too unwilling to try anything new due to reasons ranging from thinking they'll get a virus from the valve website to they just can't deviate from their little set method

 

[DirkBloodStormKing]

Many of them are too spergy to even do that; I've talked to quite a few spergs and many of them are too unwilling to try anything new due to reasons ranging from thinking they'll get a virus from the valve website to they just can't deviate from their little set method

That is just exceptional.

 

[DICKPICSRUS]

now the cycle of autism is complete Ladies and gentlemen and non-binaries and other things I give you

Spoiler: Sonichu

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Sonichu-MMD-559114390

 

[Duke Nukem]

I don't want to powerlevel too much, but I did know a guy in college who went on to be in the MMD community. He has been into guns, anime, and video games, the stereotypical weeb stuff, etc., but I came across his handle years later on a YouTube comment and, lo and behold, half the shit he posts these days is weeb and Miku/vocaloid stuff.

Knowing him in person, he's always dwelled on his problems and escapism has always been his thing, not a lot has changed. Might give some insight as to the kinds of people it attracts, but he's not a total lolcow as far as I know. I haven't spoken to him in a long time though so that could have changed.

 

[Cucumber]

Ah, MMD. Most of the drama I remember was ages old but here's a few:

- The "Rape Meme" that was really popular and stirred up controversy over its name.
- A modeler who made Hetalia models that were used by anyone who was anyone and then broke down or something and took them all down.
- Nanami frequently making downloading his models impossible until near the end of his "career" of sorts where he put them up on nico instead.
- Windows 100% models that brought piracy related arguments into any MMD forums that were around; these models came from a magazine that were extremely sought after.

 

[KittyGremlin]

MMD exported models are commonly used because rigging raw character meshes is a bitch and a half to do. Hell, I've learned basic posing and animations for VRC by using these as samples, but never in a million euphoric mountain dew binges could I ever dream up of shit like this.

 

[There'll be another time]

MMD exported models are commonly used because rigging raw character meshes is a bitch and a half to do.

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This.

I've had the displease of having opened a few of these models in an actual program such as blender, mostly for curiosity, and a friend wanted them converted to something more usable than Mmd. The way that they're built has made me angry. The ones I looked at anyway used a tonne of doublelayered faces that look really ugly when you can see both sides of the face.

The plugin you have to go through to import them is alright, depending on which one you use. I can't recall the name, but one of them removes the useless bones and renames them from Japanese, actually decently put together but not much beyond that.

I've also found Mmd to be painful to work with compared to literally anything else. I'd take Sfm over it anyday. At least Sfm has both the Sfm and Gmod workshop so you have a wide range of models from games and shit.

 

[KittyGremlin]

^
This.

I've had the displease of having opened a few of these models in an actual program such as blender, mostly for curiosity, and a friend wanted them converted to something more usable than Mmd. The way that they're built has made me angry. The ones I looked at anyway used a tonne of doublelayered faces that look really ugly when you can see both sides of the face.

The plugin you have to go through to import them is alright, depending on which one you use. I can't recall the name, but one of them removes the useless bones and renames them from Japanese, actually decently put together but not much beyond that.

I've also found Mmd to be painful to work with compared to literally anything else. I'd take Sfm over it anyday. At least Sfm has both the Sfm and Gmod workshop so you have a wide range of models from games and shit.

As far as I understand it, it's a workaround to make 2D facial expressions work on a 3D model.

 

[There'll be another time]

As far as I understand it, it's a workaround to make 2D facial expressions work on a 3D model.

Pretty much. What they do is have meshes for these anime expressions inside the head, and then they grow out so you can get your owo and uwu faces that those weebs love so dearly. Normally these are hidden by being shrunk inside the head.

On one hand, it's a creative solution for the issue, but generally having expressions being separate meshes on 3D models can make them look off and poorly constructed. Generally though in posing and animation you can hide these with good camera angles and by using a 24 fps render to hide the model jank in between the keyframes.

 

[queerape]

I used to make MMD videos as a teen back when I still had a windows computer . Mostly I made short little dumb hetalia meme videos and some homestuck vocaloid MVS (I was literally 15 or 16). But honestly, the crazier fujoshis I ever met were in the MMD community, and they used mods to make some pretty explicit yaoi mmd videos, particularily hetalia MMD. If I can find any, I will try to post them, but a fair deal of them date back to 2010-2011 and may have since been taken down.

 

[GayGayGay]

I used to make MMD videos as a teen back when I still had a windows computer . Mostly I made short little dumb hetalia meme videos and some homestuck vocaloid MVS (I was literally 15 or 16). But honestly, the crazier fujoshis I ever met were in the MMD community, and they used mods to make some pretty explicit yaoi mmd videos, particularily hetalia MMD. If I can find any, I will try to post them, but a fair deal of them date back to 2010-2011 and may have since been taken down.

you could always just dig up the ones from pornhub, theyre just as good

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

MMD exported models are commonly used because rigging raw character meshes is a bitch and a half to do. Hell, I've learned basic posing and animations for VRC by using these as samples, but never in a million euphoric mountain dew binges could I ever dream up of shit like this.

The one thing I don't get about these models is how they don't have joints for the toes like every other 3D model tend to have. Is it a limitation of the program or just people being lazy and rolling with it for over a decade?

 

[KittyGremlin]

The one thing I don't get about these models is how they don't have joints for the toes like every other 3D model tend to have. Is it a limitation of the program or just people being lazy and rolling with it for over a decade?

I don't think that the original intent of those models included such... art discussed here, so some bones didn't need animation in practice.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

I don't think that the original intent of those models included such... art discussed here, so some bones didn't need animation in practice.

I meant more like from a rigging stance, ie the ability to animate more convincing walk cycles and dancing.

 

[KittyGremlin]

I meant more like from a rigging stance, ie the ability to animate more convincing walk cycles and dancing.

I guess you have a point there. You might want extra movement in a dancing game.

 

[CIA Nigger]

MMD exported models are commonly used because rigging raw character meshes is a bitch and a half to do. Hell, I've learned basic posing and animations for VRC by using these as samples, but never in a million euphoric mountain dew binges could I ever dream up of shit like this.

Interestingly enough there's a good amount of friction between the MMD community/modelers and the VRChat community. Many MMD modelers tend to flip shit when people use them in VRChat, not unlike other internet artists who tend to slap 4000 DO NOT STEEL messages over their art. A forum post on a VRChat related site also mentions that some modelers will actually send DMCAs to VRChat over people porting models. In particular if you look at the NicoVideo 3d model section you'll find a lot of models will have "do not use in VRChat" in the description (an example, just ctrl f the 3d section for VRChat and you'll find examples) and some linking to blog posts on why they feel that way.

On one hand I can see why they'd hate the VRChat community, on the other hand we all know the saying about what happens when something's on the internet.

The one thing I don't get about these models is how they don't have joints for the toes like every other 3D model tend to have. Is it a limitation of the program or just people being lazy and rolling with it for over a decade?

I wouldn't be shocked if it was either, especially as when using dated engines there tend to be a lot of "hacks" involved in pulling off tricks that are not normally possible. Fallout 3's subway cars were an example of this, as Bethesda used a NPC wearing an item to power subway cars.

 

[BroccoliBrain]

lol I remember loving how new and fresh TDA-style Miku looked when it first came out and now it looks god danmn awful and overused as fuck to me.

Tbf those Japanese modellers always seemed that possessive over their assets, it’s a strange reality where they have circles of hentai doujin artists with lax copyright laws over fan work yet I’ve seen how protective they are over this MMD shit. I know that, but I can’t explain it.
If I were to try and relate I guess it’s like every model being a tribute piece to the character (let’s say, Miku). I’m not saying Western fans won’t put all the time and effort that goes into making a model (with no pay for that matter), but the Japanese artists have this respectful undertone to their idolatry.
Then to take this piece of the character and put it in a known meme factory where people will be people and make the anime girl say "FUCK, SHIT, POOPEE” with her middle finger out seems kinda..... no.

Plus these models are often professional in quality and they probably don’t want their assets plugged into a free game where the data will likely be passed around like herpes like any game developer. They also don’t want to play tech support to the next person who doesn’t yet understand ‘no we don’t make things for a game we don’t play and no we’re not open for offers’.

I might be wrong because I’m not a nipland native but I try to understand it as best I can.

 

[peepaa]

my biggest artist secret is that i occasionally use MMD when i want a quick reference for a pose... not that i'd recommend it. absolutely not. just use clip studio paint's 3d program. MMD is a clunky dinosaur that's difficult to navigate without looking at 30 shitty dA tutorial graphics beforehand. the only well-animated projects that come to mind are these old memey "dramas" (thinly-veiled hentai 99% of the time) that i used to watch when i was 11

Spoiler: example

[MMD Drama] Temptation of N (Temptation of M- Hall of Fame Introspection Meeting) English Sub

[MMD DRAMA] Miku's golden juice sub ENG,thai [MMD CUP 8] All part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1BSfieOWOg [MMD DRAMA] dream come true! Little marisa-sama ...

www.youtube.com

i also wonder if anyone remembers mikumikuonline, an absolutely horrid "chatroom" where you could connect to a large, uncompressed map with friends and run around with whatever models you desired

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

lol I remember loving how new and fresh TDA-style Miku looked when it first came out and now it looks god danmn awful and overused as fuck to me.

Tbf those Japanese modellers always seemed that possessive over their assets, it’s a strange reality where they have circles of hentai doujin artists with lax copyright laws over fan work yet I’ve seen how protective they are over this MMD shit. I know that, but I can’t explain it.
If I were to try and relate I guess it’s like every model being a tribute piece to the character (let’s say, Miku). I’m not saying Western fans won’t put all the time and effort that goes into making a model (with no pay for that matter), but the Japanese artists have this respectful undertone to their idolatry.
Then to take this piece of the character and put it in a known meme factory where people will be people and make the anime girl say "FUCK, SHIT, POOPEE” with her middle finger out seems kinda..... no.

Plus these models are often professional in quality and they probably don’t want their assets plugged into a free game where the data will likely be passed around like herpes like any game developer. They also don’t want to play tech support to the next person who doesn’t yet understand ‘no we don’t make things for a game we don’t play and no we’re not open for offers’.

I might be wrong because I’m not a nipland native but I try to understand it as best I can.

The issue isn't on the Japanese side (which is understandable to a degree), it's the fact that the tards on deviantArt also put up those exact same warnings despite most of their models either being conversions of XPS game models or lazy OCs and get pissy when someone uses them for other purposes despite such a thing being common on that site to begin with. It's something they should have known from day 1, yet get defensive when it happens to them.

 

[Iris Hunter]

This community...

Been a part of it since 2000's. It's gotten progressively bad... They have... rules. It can go as nuts as "You can't use my model If you're not in Japan/not Japanese" like what the fuck. Popular people even had a few people working for them, trying to make people to use the models within those... rules. Also, Japanese people had/have/will have those passwords that makes you feel like you're a contestant in Wheel of Fortune, but Japanese and It's 3 alphabets get in the way. I get it, they're making quality models without making anything from them but... That's not a way to do things, and more often than not, that's what spawns a ton of drama.

Also, MMD is more or less tied to Vocaloid community( Hatsune Miku says "Hi!" ), and Vocaloid community is a ton of drama itself, god forbid you do something bad, intended or not.