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Dammit; I thought I had something there.

It's all good. Vic doesn't need to make a wrongful termination claim. They've fucked up enough with the defamation and TI.

correct me if i'm wrong, but even in an at-will state, lying about the reason for termination still counts as a breach of contract, no?

An at-will state allows for employment contracts. The terms of which can specify the conditions under which a contract of employment can be terminated. At-will is best expressed as "at-will unless you have some employment contract that says otherwise." So a kid working at McDonalds doesn't have an employment contract, which means that he can pretty much be shitcanned at any time for any (lawful) reason. Or no reason.

BUT...

If Vic's contract didn't allow Funimation to fire him like they did, you can bet your ass Ty would have sued for breach of contract and/or wrongful termination.

He didn't. So the assumption is there is no breach in that sense. I'm betting these Funimation employment contracts are weighted pretty heavily in Funimation's favor.

Vic's #1 cause of action against Funimation is that the public reason they gave for terminating him constituted defamation. Then the TI shit follows after that...
 
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Hello, long time lurker of KF in general and I've been following this entire shitshow since basically day 1. Hopefully, I don't make a truly exceptional first post.

I figure I'd share a story I got told today involving some of the information being gathered by The Beard, and this seems like the most general place to post it. So I have a friend who's involved with some con staff of a couple of anime conventions who have been trying to keep their heads out of this. I was just told today that one of the cons got a request for information on any incidents involving Vic, this requires them to gather anyone relevant that was involved in these incidents and have them recount what happened.

They supposedly have records of all of Vic's incidents, but they need to also gather staff who aren't staff anymore because of just how old some of these incidents are. So it'll be interesting to see how that develops, which I'll hopefully get more information about if I ask about it later. The funny side of this is that apparently, one of the key witnesses in one of these incidents is known to be a major political sperg (typical "orange man bad" sort of person). This person thought Vic was guilty immediately when this started and the staff is worried that this person will likely flip into a rage the moment they are asked to recount any of this because they hate Vic that much apparently.

I've been told that they're trying to figure out how to talk to this person specifically to get the information they want without mentioning Vic, just so he doesn't go into a rage and just scream that Vic is guilty as his recount of the events. That aside the con staff is trying to be cooperative to my knowledge they just need to find witnesses from incidents going back 5+ years ago which could take time. So to be continued hopefully, I especially want to be told about the flip out testimony that just basically will only say "Vic man bad".

No offense to you, but this reeks of overblown bullshit. All BHBH will ask of cons will be documentation and contact info for those involved. The Con would not and should not be inserting themselves into any conversations with this “sperg”. Really the contemporaneous incident reports are the only things that carry any real weight. Anything else is highly suspect.
 
The catalyst for this shit storm is something else entirely. Anime News Network's writers created a list of "abusers in the anime industry" as a response to one of their own big names in the SJWeaboo sphere getting outed as a sex pest. This list allowed them to bury the Hazukari/Dylan Kielman story. Multiple ANN staff have said there are worse people than Mignogna that they won't go after, which says to me they weren't collecting names for altruistic reasons. Broly reminded people Vic was around and given the drama in his history, he was the perfect fall guy. This autism was all contained on Twitter until ANN's article.

ANN has unpersoned Hazukari, deleting every article he wrote for them. They haven't published anything about the accusations against him. If they've publicly unpersoned him, that means they believe he's guilty. Their decision to not cover that story isn't because he's a no one. They've reported on literally whos in the past. One of their contributors is outed as a hazard to teenagers at conventions yet all coverage is limited to their personal Twitter accounts. Is admitting that one of your own is a sex pest not good for advertisers? Did they think it wouldn't make a good story?

I'm sure we're beating on dead horses at the moment but this does need to be brought back up. Bringing up back this topic from the thread on Hope Jacob Chapman:

ANN is a seething cesspit of twofaced pent up teenager days angst and oldfag anime fan vindication with an agenda and made with corporate entity form, and by talentless faggots that spent their youth being the kind of weeaboos that hated dub actors no matter how good they were and actively went to conventions to spite them (for further evidence, look up not only Amanda Winn Lee, but Apollo Smile), spent it all day being indulgent and complacent fanwhores instead of doing anything with their inspiration other than be fanwhores, and spent it being exceptional individuals than be a human being.

I know that I'm the one who goes on and on and on about this shit, but honestly this is the example of giving all of those faggot ass "expert film critics" their own paper instead of their own isolated periodical that the paper knows anyone can just gloss over before they use it as their pet's shitbed, or giving concert dwelling posers their own stage time. I don't even have anything against critics or crucial, critical, and insightful critique and criterion. It's just that these faggots are the fucking mutant freak spawn of late 1990s-2000s smarmy know it all cynicism, consuming way too much MST3K, the 2008 That Guy With The Glasses wannabe AVGN "internet critic" faggotry, the ass end of turn of the century western anime fandom, and all paved with so much white American baizuo exceptionalism and entitlement that I hope the world learns what happens when you give fuckers like these a public platform and why you shouldn't. And if anything, I hope this teaches the other freaks and insular bitter geekoid faggotasses on the true darker side of the net to stay and wallow in their shit communities that they spawn from. And being on Kiwi Farms, this means a lot.

These fuckers are diseased in more than just the SJW faggot ways of letting in the jihad fuckers and Mr. Garrison transsexual aspirants who can't fuck from their original gender. Anyone who is bitter and as jaded as them, they'll let on in and let them have in on the festivities. And when worse comes to worse, they'll protect them and pull strings to divert attention. I'd turn my back on them and call it a day, but that day had long past when I could smell the shit from miles and miles away. These fuckers gatekeep so much as the Maoist regime, they could call anyone's work child pornography and at the same time praise and give endless recommendations on their whim if it doesn't match to their 1990s era outdated fan expectations than actual understanding of how good anime is supposed to be structured and made to the Japanese standard. And turning us back on track, they would go as far as to protect one of their child molesting and boy grooming convention stalkers and blame a voice actor with nothing but the convention social gossip sewage as their cited sources, and work with the production company that sponsors them and hires said voice actor in slandering his name and outright needlessly destroys his livelihood, along with censoring out anyone with dissenting opinion. Let's also not forget Marzgurl was once a writer for their outlet, and that we spent about half of today and last night talking about one of the supporters of KickVic being a voice actress whose brother was caught red handed with a hard drive full of actual child pornography.

If there's one thing I'm not nostalgic for and is ready to put in its grave, it's the long overdue lich of shit end of anime fandom from the 1990s who now have a news media mouthpiece, and all of their neopotism, hypocrisy, arrogance, and fathead entitlement. Again, as everything has pointed out, this is but one head of the hydra that is beast of KickVic, but ANN is dangerous in that they are not just infowar and intelligence, but subcultural influencers, and what they can spread out is a lot worse than can be said for Variety and other news outlets online.
 
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My outside bet is the second round will be a federal lawsuit as you got Kaylyn, ANN, io9 and maybe even Allison Cooke. None of them are in Texas though, (and in the case of ANN not in America) and there is enough shit on their end to sustain separate causes of action. They can still use texas law as the incidents arise in Texas. Someone can correct me if I am wrong here but I do believe BHBH could run a congruent state and federal lawsuit so long as they present different incidents as the moving cause. The only limiting factor I can see is money.
 
No offense to you, but this reeks of overblown bullshit. All BHBH will ask of cons will be documentation and contact info for those involved. The Con would not and should not be inserting themselves into any conversations with this “sperg”. Really the contemporaneous incident reports are the only things that carry any real weight. Anything else is highly suspect.

Not to mention that various people contacting other people about this is going to end up poisoning the well, even if it's unintentional. It was a bad idea when the kickers did it and it would be a bad idea for pro-Vic people who might have actual, useful evidence to do it.
 
It's all good. Vic doesn't need to make a wrongful termination claim. They've fucked up enough with the defamation and TI.



An at-will state allows for employment contracts. The terms of which can specify the conditions under which a contract of employment can be terminated. At-will is best expressed as "at-will unless you have some employment contract that says otherwise." So a kid working at McDonalds doesn't have an employment contract, which means that he can pretty much be shitcanned at any time for any (lawful) reason. Or no reason.

BUT...

If Vic's contract didn't allow Funimation to fire him like they did, you can bet your ass Ty would have sued for breach of contract and/or wrongful termination.

He didn't. So the assumption is there is no breach in that sense. I'm betting these Funimation employment contracts are weighted pretty heavily in Funimation's favor.

Vic's #1 cause of action against Funimation is that the public reason they gave for terminating him constituted defamation. Then the TI shit follows after that...
thanks for the law knowledge. I'll remember that.
 
Nothing is stopping them from asking for both, because as far as I know this con has documented reports about these incidents since the year they occurred. BHBH would have to track down possibly dozens of people, assuming they're doing this with every con that has had any reported incidents about Vic, just to simply ask what happened and if needed why it happened. It'd be much easier to just make the convention gather the people to recount the events individually and not waste the law firm's own time, that and the witnesses might be more willing to cooperate if it is with the convention staff, then a bunch of lawyers from Texas.

Not a lawyer here, but wouldn't the only reports that would matter be ones submitted to the authorities? Or at least someone accountable for them being a factual recounting of events? Why would a con be compelled to track down individuals and coordinate them into giving on the record testimony? Wouldn't that require the con doing so through legal representation for it to actually be on record? Why would they spend the kind of money that would take, for no discernible gain or advantage?

Again, not a lawyer or thinking I fully understand the law, but this sounds like the dumbest fucking bullshit I've heard since the last time Shane Holmberg tweeted.
 
My outside bet is the second round will be a federal lawsuit as you got Kaylyn, ANN, io9 and maybe even Allison Cooke. None of them are in Texas though, (and in the case of ANN not in America) and there is enough shit on their end to sustain separate causes of action. They can still use texas law as the incidents arise in Texas. Someone can correct me if I am wrong here but I do believe BHBH could run a congruent state and federal lawsuit so long as they present different incidents as the moving cause. The only limiting factor I can see is money.
My money is on Iago, Igor and Renfield then after that they go after the others if there is still money left.
 
My money is on Iago, Igor and Renfield then after that they go after the others if there is still money left.

I think that whether those people even get sued will depend a lot on the direction round 1 takes. If Vic is offered a satisfactory settlement in round 1, there may be no point in trying to fund additional litigation.
 
So this is me being obviously not a lawyer, I never attended Twitter Academy or Google University, but once the deposition for the defendants are done, what kind of questions are they going to ask Vic? Who are they going to contact for dicovery/deposition, and how would that possibly help them at all? Not that I don't think BHBH has got this in the bag, but the opposing side does have a chance to take their own shots.
 
So this is me being obviously not a lawyer, I never attended Twitter Academy or Google University, but once the deposition for the defendants are done, what kind of questions are they going to ask Vic? Who are they going to contact for dicovery/deposition, and how would that possibly help them at all? Not that I don't think BHBH has got this in the bag, but the opposing side does have a chance to take their own shots.
most likely stuff to create doubt that he may have touched people inapropriately. as fucking retarded as it is, the defenses best bet (outside of settling, JUST FUCKING SETTLE YOU MORONS) would be to create doubt that vic may have done the things they accused him of, and that he was fired for that without any of them interfering in that process
 
I'm all for laughing at rampant exceptionalism but my heart goes out to the poor son of a bitch laywers that are on the defendants' side. Having to deal with retarded speds like them and knowing you're fighting a losing case.

How. Embarrassing.
 
I'm all for laughing at rampant exceptionalism but my heart goes out to the poor son of a bitch laywers that are on the defendants' side. Having to deal with exceptional speds like them and knowing you're fighting a losing case.

How. Embarrassing.
they will live frustrating lives, but they will be paid handsomely for their time. dont weep too long
 
The discussion was talking about tweeting at Elon Musk

No, I was thinking that too. I'm sure Ty advised him on this, at the very least.

I know it's nitpicky, but I'm thinking it was one of the Beard girls who suggested it to Ty to suggest to Vic. No shade at Ty, but his girls seem to be much more knowledgeable about the Twitterverse.
 
I'm all for laughing at rampant exceptionalism but my heart goes out to the poor son of a bitch laywers that are on the defendants' side. Having to deal with exceptional speds like them and knowing you're fighting a losing case.

How. Embarrassing.
Real talk, I'm fully expecting a lawfare special ops asshole like Ty to fully exploit the fact that Monica and Ms. Toye are not married if the opportunity presents itself. And if he does that it's going to put their joint lawyer in a pickle. A lawyer is obligated to look out for their client's best interests. The problem here, if Ty gets an opening, is what is best interest for Monica might not be best interest for Toye, and vice versa.

And at that point there's going to be a big dilemma.
 
Real talk, I'm fully expecting a lawfare special ops asshole like Ty to fully exploit the fact that Monica and Ms. Toye are not married if the opportunity presents itself. And if he does that it's going to put their joint lawyer in a pickle. A lawyer is obligated to look out for their client's best interests. The problem here, if Ty gets an opening, is what is best interest for Monica might not be best interest for Toye, and vice versa.

And at that point there's going to be a big dilemma.
Nick gave Ron and Monica's relationship six months on his twitch stream last night.

my slim prediction: ron will fight with his lawyers and they will drop him.

https://pagesix.com/2018/01/09/milo-yiannopoulos-fighting-with-his-own-lawyers/
Very likely given Ron's IQ.
 
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