Iago, Igor & Renfield Speculation - A Shakespearean Mystery

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Iago - Adam Sheehan. I've mentioned my reasoning for this before, but I think the new project one fits in that, considering High Guardian Spice and other projects CR might have. Those cost more than a home rennovation, and might be more heavily impacted by a lawsuit.
Do you have even the barest hint Sheehan threw down any of his own money on High Guardian Spice? Even if he did, everyone working on that project was paid in hair dye and problem glasses. On top of that, it would be a huge stretch to call it an active project. It's more of a corpse than the god emperor.
 
I thought they just stole that from their customers and gave it to a bunch of dangerhairs who immediately stole it and left and that it isn't an ongoing thing.

I'm not sure. But I wouldn't rule out the possibility that CR has some other project that Sheehan might be putting money into, particularly one that someone like Nick would know about.

Does anybody know if she's been going on about confidential investigations on twitter ala La Choy? Because early on she also held herself out to be a Funimation employee / agent. Pretty sure people figured out that she was just a cosTHOT and she denied agency faster than La Choy though.


I've seen some of your reasoning on your guesses before, but can you explain why you think Sheehan ranks over Sabat? From what I've heard Sabat thinks he's king shit (especially in the Texas VA scene) so why would he be doing this guys bidding?

I think Iago is Sabat and Schemmel is one of igor/renfield given his history. It's hard to speculate due to how little information we have on the lower two. Sheehan might be one of them, but the other night Ty seemed to have no idea what crunchyroll is, he could have been acting of course, but it looked like explaining tech to a boomer to me (Nick should have just explained it as anime Netflix).

My main issues with Sabat are that there's two or three hints that simply don't fit with Sabat. I'm gonna seriously disagree with Ty if it turns out to be Sabat not because I can't believe he's Iago, but because his voice isn't that high voice.

I have various issues with Sabat being Iago, and I'll run down them quickly for this thread-

1 - Sabat was my first immediate guess. Before Ty revealed there were codenames or dropped any hints, when he said he made a little 'network' and that everything tied back into one person, I expected him to say Sabat. When he then went on to hint at Iago, one of the things he mentions is that Iago thinks he's going to get away without being affected or caught, that he's kept his hands clean. That's at odds with EVERYONE's first guess being Sabat. It's more in line with Igor.

2 - The voice. He put on a weaselly higher voice and went out of his way to say that 'and yes his voice sounds like this'. Chris has a deep voice.

3 - The implication about Iago is that he's insulated by at least one or two layers to protect him from a lawsuit. Sabat has been caught sending DMs, has talked openly about Vic, and has been personally involved in the KC tort. Again, it's hard to believe Sabat could have thought 'you can't prove any of it!' or that he can't be implicated.

4 - No one has found him bragging online about his money yet.

5 - He doesn't have a company that he's vice-principal in that could get dragged into the lawsuit due to him. Funimation was dragged in all on its own, meaning that his position of vice-principal has no bearing on this except to drag himself into it. Threatening him by saying 'and we WILL drag your company into it' makes no sense if Ty means Funimation. Okratron, from everything I can see, is his company. That would make him the principal in it, right? Not the vice. I don't know of a third company Sabat is involved in.

6 - Sabat isn't unpopular with women. Not only is he married with kids, but cosplayers and fans throw themselves at him just as much as they do Vic. Asserting that he just isn't popular with women because he's ugly and unpleasant doesn't really fit. Sheehan is a better fit for me, because while he is married, he doesn't appear to be chased around by girls, and he's very obviously not physically attractive.

Also, I have my doubts about 'well he's an independent contractor' as an excuse to say 'he's not an employee of either company, nor the cons', because they're dealing with other VAs of Funimation and don't seem to be making that distinction. That said, even if I give that point, the above 6 are still an issue.


I would have to disagree with you on all three for the following reasons:
Iago -
Adam Sheenan gay anime project was funding by misappropriated funds from crunchyroll subscribers so none of the money is coming out of his pocket so it wouldn't make much sense for Nick to say that he may loose that funding. It was never his in the first place. Also Adam Sheenan is not an Funimation employees or agents of Funimation. Adam Sheenan does have a lot of ties and connections there since he's worked there for 10+ years but it wouldn't make sense for Ty's law firm to go after him.

Was he connected or influenced Funimation Staff into firing Vic in some way? Maybe.
But as far as we know he isn't directly implicated or even indirectly implicated in any legal misconduct unlike Sabat (along with Monica), which we know for a fact he tried to twist the arm of KC to not re-invite Vic which has led to the infamous "Torturous Interference" claim. Also all of Iago's motivations and actions align squarely on Chris Sabat.

Igor-
It's almost impossible to me that Sabat is Igor. It doesn't line up for any of his motivations or actions he has done so far. Chris Sabat likes to be one step remove from any blatant idocity and attempts to play the "Neutral/Good Guy" in public but in reality he acts like a pussy from a far trying to influence people and fuck with situations from the backround. He'll never do any of the dirty work himself. On top of that, Chris's networth is the largest of all main characthers in this shitshow so why would he think someone else will pay his legal fees? And I'm fairly certain Chris is aware that he may be a target of litigation since Nick went on a long rant about how much of a piece of shit he is for trying to fuck with KC.



Renfield -
It's unlikely Renfield be Sean Schemmel because Nick himself said that the identity of Renfield is someone kiwi's have suggested could be Igor. Sean Schemmel was never suggested as far as I'm aware but ya never know. Like I said there's little information on Renfield.

Iago - Ty specifically says in the very first hint about Iago that he's 'not an employee of [funimation or rooster teeth]'. Sheehan fits this better than Sabat, because he legitimately isn't employed by Funimation in any way. However, due to the fact that he used to be, and that Funimation and Crunchyroll have very close connections and previously had a partnership, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that he has influence over Funimation. He also has influence over cons due to CR having influence over them. He also has the power of subs, not just dubs, to wield.

Igor - Ty describes Igor as 'one of the most sad and pathetic individuals I've ever seen'. He mentions this person gets their hands dirty while Iago doesn't. This is important, because the only three people we know who are involved in the KC tort are Sabat, Rial, and Toye. Rial and Toye are now disqualified for Igor. Therefore, why would Iago get involved in TI w/contract in a way that's so easily caught (3 hours of phone harassment after Nick already hinted at knowing something) but not Igor? Why wasn't Igor involved? Igor is specifically the one that Iago uses to get their hands dirty and insulate himself. Wouldn't you think committing TI w/C like this would be an Igor thing? I could believe Iago AND Igor did it, but why remove Igor? That, to me, speaks volumes for the possibility that Sabat is Igor. And furthermore, people keep saying that Sabat is 'pretending to be the nice, neutral guy'. No. He really isn't. Sabat immediately jumped in the line of fire to protect Monica, he immediately flung Vic very publicly under the bus, and when he was called on it he publicly tweeted "Vic threw himself under the bus, this is his fault." Or something to that effect. And then he continued on in DMs to attack Vic, instead of doing it over the phone or having someone else do that for him. I only heard people claiming that Sabat wants to look good and not anti-Vic since Iago. Heck, people were openly theorizing on Twitter about Sabat being the ringleader before Ty ever came onto the scene.

Renfield - Sean was in fact suggested as Igor. He's also been suggested as Iago, but that was never serious. He's also one of the most likely of the Igor choices to be Renfield. He's so dumb that when he tried to commit TI last year he got caught all on his own, and he keeps causing things to blow up in his own face. I can believe him having enough influence to be Renfield while not realizing that he is. Marzgurl has to know she's on the target list, and again masculine pronouns has been used, so I don't think her or Skye is it.

Do you have even the barest hint Sheehan threw down any of his own money on High Guardian Spice? Even if he did, everyone working on that project was paid in hair dye and problem glasses. On top of that, it would be a huge stretch to call it an active project. It's more of a corpse than the god emperor.

Well, the problem I have with the house renno is that they're not as expensive as you think. Maybe $10-40k is what you might expect to pay. Sabat has a net worth of something like $7m. If he's got the wealth to swing around to spend $200k for himself or be believed if he says he'll pay for someone else's lawyer, he probably won't be unable to finish his house renno even if he's hit with the suit. Now, something like an anime project or something, that would be massively impacted by a big lawsuit. Especially if it targeted the company you're working for, who would maybe reconsider funding your pet project.
 
Adam Sheehan also has a normal voice.

Is his voice deeper or higher than Chris'? If it's deep, then I'd want to analyze possible suspects to find a whiny one Ty might be copying. He did say that some got it right, so it can't be anyone we haven't guessed yet.
 
Well, the problem I have with the house renno is that they're not as expensive as you think. Maybe $10-40k
Haha. Around here 10K will won't cover 1 full bath.
 
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Is his voice deeper or higher than Chris'? If it's deep, then I'd want to analyze possible suspects to find a whiny one Ty might be copying. He did say that some got it right, so it can't be anyone we haven't guessed yet.

About the same I think.

D.C. Douglas doesn't have a particularly high voice but sounds a trifle fey.
 
Haha. Around here 10K will won't cover 1 full bath.

That depends entirely on what he's renovating.

"On average, doing a complete house renovation costs $40,000-60,000. However, most homeowners choose to tackle one room or project at a time."


I can't find anything talking about the renovation, though, so I don't know what he's targeting. On average, a single room/issue is going to range between $10-20k. Only a 'major renovation' which is basically whole-house or building a new addition to the building is going to crack $50k

About the same I think.

D.C. Douglas doesn't have a particularly high voice but sounds a trifle fey.

DC Douglas was one of my first guesses for Iago, actually. I thought someone said that Nick denied this, but I can't find proof of that now. I wouldn't be surprised if he were part of the trio somewhere,

A quick reminder to people who might believe Sabat is trying to look like he's neutral and not kickvic.






These are all live tweets. Someone mentions right about when he stops responding about Vic that he 'scrubbed his twitter', which makes me suspect he might have gotten into a bigger Vic fight right before then. My point is that while Sabat has always tried to show himself as a civil and 'nice' person involved in it, he's never claimed to be neutral. There's a bunch more tweets during that time where he says less direct stuff too, just mentioning the investigation, that he's keeping the details private to protect everyone, etc. And you can see here he publicly says that if Vic's accusations were taken to court he would go to prison.

He does stop talking about Vic, but it's around the same time most not-insane VAs + Sean stop, because ISWV started overtaking KV and the fake swatting got outed, so continuing to engage would hurt his reputation too much.
 
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That depends entirely on what he's renovating.

"On average, doing a complete house renovation costs $40,000-60,000. However, most homeowners choose to tackle one room or project at a time."


I can't find anything talking about the renovation, though, so I don't know what he's targeting. On average, a single room/issue is going to range between $10-20k. Only a 'major renovation' which is basically whole-house or building a new addition to the building is going to crack $50k
I'm working on super short sleep, but that looks like a whole lot of words to agree with me. Somebody like Sabat could easily drop $40K on 2 bathrooms. Normally, when somebody uses the words 'house remodel' they are talking serious interior changes and/or expansion. If that's not enough, Sabat also stood up an Okratron 5000 studio in California in the last year.

I'm not 100% on it being Sabat, but anyone's big project being HGS is fucking dumb.
 
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I'm working on super short sleep, but that looks like a whole lot of words to agree with me. Somebody like Sabat could easily drop $40,000 on 2 bathrooms. Normally, when somebody uses the word remodel they are talking serious interior changes and/or expansion. If that's not enough, Sabat also stood up an Okratron 5000 studio in California in the last year.

I'm not 100% on it being Sabat, but anyone's big project being HGS is fucking dumb.

You wouldn't spend $40k on two bathrooms, though. You'd spend about $26k. If you're on the high end, then you might reach that with both, but why would a house in Texas be on the high end? The site lets you put in the actual zip code for calculation, but it'd mean using a junk email and...nah. Also, we don't know what the reno is. Any kind of renovation, including 'I want a wall taken out to open up my kitchen and have the hip open floor plan look' would count. His pinterest has a folder on a kitchen redesign, and emspex says 'currently renovating the whole place' but that's all I can find.

I don't know what project Sheehan might have, I just think a home reno isn't enough for Nick to be dropping veiled threats about. Compared to a lawsuit, the house project isn't that big a deal unless he's building a new wing or something. Launching an anime or something, though, that would be a big deal that could be ruined by a lawsuit.
 
You wouldn't spend $40 on two bathrooms, though. You'd spend about $26k. If you're on the high end, then you might reach that with both, but why would a house in Texas be on the high end

We clearly have different definitions of high end. I've worked on a house where the owner spent $1,000,000 on landscaping the backyard. Are you seriously trying to say there are no expensive houses in DFW let alone Texas?
 
We clearly have different definitions of high end. I've worked on a house where the owner spent $1,000,000 on landscaping the backyard. Are you seriously trying to say there are no expensive houses in DFW let alone Texas?

Sure, but what you're describing is landscaping, which is crazy expensive. That's not renovating the house. There's no indication that this is the case. Whatever renovation he's doing, it's comprehensive enough (or just for health reasons because of the kids), they've moved out. However, it's been going on for over a year now, which means it's probably close to finished already. That means he's probably already spent most of the money that is necessary for it.

i mean, if it is the case then it is. Maybe he is sculpting the backyard or building a new addition or something. I'm just saying that for the most part, I wouldn't expect his renno, especially one that's probably almost finished at this point - as it is, there must be some kind of sitcom level nonsense going on that it's not done yet, if he's been out of the house for 'over a year' - to be an issue on the same level as some kind of 'new project' might be.


EDIT - I want to restate that I'm not saying Sabat can't be Iago. I'm just saying that I don't think he's chief suspect, because of the reasons I listed in my previous post, and the 'he might have a project he's sinking money into' comment isn't enough to sway my opinion because it doesn't outweigh the other information.
 
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The fact that they said that Iago has kept out of it pubicly, and that they can only hang him on the private stuff, probably means that they will be the hardest to find. However what Rekeita said that about saying that vic was a pedophile made me think of and scour arround for this video from several years ago that shows 2 voice actors making fun of vic and calling him a pedophile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7MhaqpUqJw
 
The fact that they said that Iago has kept out of it pubicly, and that they can only hang him on the private stuff, probably means that they will be the hardest to find. However what Rekeita said that about saying that vic was a pedophile made me think of and scour arround for this video from several years ago that shows 2 voice actors making fun of vic and calling him a pedophile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7MhaqpUqJw
i dont have enough time to scour further arround for the full video in context where they actually say vic's name and say they are imitating him, but if someone else would be able to find it that woudl be awesome
 
The Iago voice thing, don't be surprised its wrong. To Ty it may be right but to us its probably not, our voice in our head sounds different than it actually is.

I am thinking we might as well wait for more clues or till the suits drop. We have very few clues about Renfield and even with the clues we have about Iago/Igor we got only go in circles at this point.
 
The Iago voice thing, don't be surprised its wrong. To Ty it may be right but to us its probably not, our voice in our head sounds different than it actually is.

I am thinking we might as well wait for more clues or till the suits drop. We have very few clues about Renfield and even with the clues we have about Iago/Igor we got only go in circles at this point.
very true, I was merely taking the opportunnity to point out that we have video evidence of these two voice actors referring to vic as a pedophile from before all this went down. I forget how old the original video is, since this is a recent pload/comilation. But i think i remember seeing it years ago.
 
I can't find anything talking about the renovation, though, so I don't know what he's targeting. On average, a single room/issue is going to range between $10-20k. Only a 'major renovation' which is basically whole-house or building a new addition to the building is going to crack $50k
Reports are that his family are currently living offsite so it's a huge renovation. Also have you ever watched one of those re-modelling competition TV shows? 2 bathrooms could easily hit $40k. I mean i would be more modest, but not everyone is especially if they have the money for it.

The Iago voice thing, don't be surprised its wrong. To Ty it may be right but to us its probably not, our voice in our head sounds different than it actually is.
I don't put too much stock into the voice aspect as i think it's just Ty doing a common sniveling little weasel voice, much like Iago was. I've also looked at Allanon's reasoning and i still cant agree, one of the biggest problems i see is that their is no explanation of why King shit Sabat would be somebody's toady or be dumb enough to think Sheehan would hire him an attorney.
 
Reports are that his family are currently living offsite so it's a huge renovation. Also have you ever watched one of those re-modelling competition TV shows? 2 bathrooms could easily hit $40k. I mean i would be more modest, but not everyone is especially if they have the money for it.


I don't put too much stock into the voice aspect as i think it's just Ty doing a common sniveling little weasel voice, much like Iago was. I've also looked at Allanon's reasoning and i still cant agree, one of the biggest problems i see is that their is no explanation of why King shit Sabat would be somebody's toady or be dumb enough to think Sheehan would hire him an attorney.
Yea just saying everyone keeps focusing on the tone and pitch and Ty is just a History Buff Lawyer doubt he put a lot of effort in it other than sounding weasly or snake like. And yea don't see Sabat being stupid enough to wait for an attorney provided by someone else.
 
I am thinking we might as well wait for more clues or till the suits drop. We have very few clues about Renfield and even with the clues we have about Iago/Igor we got only go in circles at this point.
Yeah and what you've said here is true too. We'll likely keep going around in circles as we hit a lull period with news and lols drying up until the next round of suits or paper drop and we find out who these code-names are. As we are in clownworld timeline the most insane thing will happen; all of these people we go around in circles with will be in suits and it won't matter who Iago/Igor/Renfield are.
 
Sure, but what you're describing is landscaping, which is crazy expensive.
Woosh

You completely and willfully ignored my point. This guy spent more on water features and trees than most people do a house. We have irreconcilable differences of opinion when it comes to what high end is.
 
Woosh

You completely and willfully ignored my point. This guy spent more on water features and trees than most people do a house. We have irreconcilable differences of opinion when it comes to what high end is.

I've seen sinks that by themselves cost more than $20K.
 
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