The Outer Worlds becomes Epic exclusive - Because of fucking course it did

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Violence Jack said:
I mean i kinda get where you're coming from, but why is circlejerking against anti-consumer practices with a side of steals-your-data a bad thing? Cause it encourages market variety, or because it challenges steam's near absolute monopoly?

Regardless of your answer here's a better one. Fuck Fergus and his dumb unpronounceable name.
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Because people who want to discuss things like market economics (my primary interest in this btw), or even the games in question shouldn't have to wade through digital REEing to do it. It's even more pathetic because said digital REEing isn't working, ppl are clearly still using the Epic store regardless.

Also, how are exclusives anti-consumer? They're pesky and annoying fuckers to deal with, especially when you have to pay for a new console to get them, but they're not anti-consumer in the least. But it seems that people have taken to using words without knowing what they truly mean.

My advice is to not automatically assume that all games announced for the PC will be Steam games, that seems to be the primary pain point here, don't get excited for something if you're not gonna buy it on not-Steam.

I personally will be working on my backlog (which is fucking massive) while the dust settles, shit is becoming too volatile for me to commit any money to any party rn.
 
The 8 of Spades said:
Because EGS is removing the option to choose your supplier. That point whatever game is a perfect example, a crowdfunded game that's now an EGS exclusive. They didn't make that game with their own money, they made it with fans money and then turned around, took money from Epic, and told their backers to get fucked. Add those practices with stealing data that you know is going directly to the Chinese government, and it's pretty clear why people are a bit bothered.

Discord - No disagreement, you should be divesting, but I'm guilty of having a throwaway for ours.
Smartphones - custom rom without GAPPS, disable GPS at the system level.
Win 10 - disable all telemetry and Cortana, freeze autoupdates by telling it your wired connection is
metered so you choose what it installs.
Facebook - if you have one, you deserve it. No disagreement there.
YT & Google - ok, but do you really only have one Google account? Do you not have multiples with completely different backgrounds and whatnot? Do you use your real one for anything other than when it's needed? I'll agree that divesting from Google's web of bullshit is the best plan though.
PC parts - I'll admit you've got me there and I have no fucking clue what to do about that.

I understand that everyone is trying to spy on me, but that doesn't mean I have to make it easy for them. Which installing the EGS does. In my eyes it's completely untrustworthy and a possible attack vector depending on where that data is going, so I'll pass. I don't need the games that bad, I'll just catch up on my backlog.
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I'm just honestly not willing to listen to anyone tell me it's a travesty that epic games is spying on them and I'm a shill or a retard for not caring when all those other, bigger spying problems exist, go solve all those other things, then I'll believe your objection to Epic spying on you is in good faith and not just a rationalisation for already not liking Epic. I should say just for context that I haven't yet spent a single penny on the Epic store, I just find all this hysteria about them "stealing" games from Steam and forcing consumers to install their DRM platform incredibly autistic. You already made a deal with the devil when you installed Valve's DRM platform, I'd rather have the two of them fight eachother for my soul than sign it over exclusively to Valve out of misguided stockholm syndrome-esque corporate loyalty.
 
The game's writers having their pronouns in their twitter bios was already a huge red flag for me, but this seals it. Not getting this.

I do not trust the Epic store with the daily security problems numerous other gamers have been having with the client since minute one, and I do not trust Tencent for even a millisecond. Anyone who brings up the "B-but they only own a 40% share of Epic!" can miss me with that shit; it's dead obvious Tencent is trying to force its way into the market by throwing money at developers and thinking (foolishly) the Fortnite kiddies are going to use Epic for anything other than Fortnite. Any developer who accepts their money and does the "exclusive only on Epic" stunt is fucking dead to me.

/end autism rant
 
neural said:
Because people who want to discuss things like market economics (my primary interest in this btw), or even the games in question shouldn't have to wade through digital REEing to do it. It's even more pathetic because said digital REEing isn't working, ppl are clearly still using the Epic store regardless.

Also, how are exclusives anti-consumer? They're pesky and annoying fuckers to deal with, especially when you have to pay for a new console to get them, but they're not anti-consumer in the least. But it seems that people have taken to using words without knowing what they truly mean.

My advice is to not automatically assume that all games announced for the PC will be Steam games, that seems to be the primary pain point here, don't get excited for something if you're not gonna buy it on not-Steam.

I personally will be working on my backlog (which is fucking massive) while the dust settles, shit is becoming too volatile for me to commit any money to any party rn.
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Eh fair enough, but ask for whether or not this practice is anti-consumer i defer to the 4A games dev that essentially posted "If you don't support our game on epic games store then there won't be anymore metro games." Now that to me personally rings as someone holding a gun to a franchises head if we don't buy the game on epic. Whether or not that is factual hardly matters because the implicit threat takes away freedom of choice from the consumer. Hopefully obsidian has more class than that, but this decision may have been not made by them. Either way will pretend to boycott then probably cave when i see more footage.
 
Visitor said:
Posting this for the second time in this thread
www.forbes.com

No Steam, No Problem: 'Metro: Exodus' Sells Huge On The Epic Store, Epic Announces New Exclusives

Despite cries of 'no steam, no sale,' 'Metro: Exodus' outsold its predecessor as it moved to the Epic Games Store.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com

Boycotts never work.
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I too shall post something for a second time:
Secret Asshole said:
You'll see publishers touting the store and shit, but Epic is really throwing money at them. It's pure bullshit. Like they're bragging Exodus sold better than last light. Because Exodus was fucking hyped and Last Light had massive optimization and performance issues when it came out. No shit it sold better.
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Visitor said:
go solve all those other things, then I'll believe your objection to Epic spying on you is in good faith and not just a rationalisation for already not liking Epic
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I'm not a shill!

Epic dindu nuffin! Go get rid of ALL the other maleware out there!1
 
Violence Jack said:
Eh fair enough, but ask for whether or not this practice is anti-consumer i defer to the 4A games dev that essentially posted "If you don't support our game on epic games store then there won't be anymore metro games." Now that to me personally rings as someone holding a gun to a franchises head if we don't buy the game on epic.
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Yeah that guy didn't cover himself in glory, people chimping out never do.

The pill would be far easier to swallow if Valve get their thumbs out of their asses and actually make/buy exclusive games to counter those. Instead they managed to bring out an even more gimped version of Game Cloud Streaming.

Violence Jack said:
Whether or not that is factual hardly matters because the implicit threat takes away freedom of choice from the consumer. Hopefully obsidian has more class than that, but this decision may have been not made by them. Either way will pretend to boycott then probably cave when i see more footage.
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Obsidian probably were involved in taking the offer. It's honestly a no-brainer in business to take what Epic is offering:
  • High visibility on a nascent platform that's getting a TON of coverage right now (search "Epic Games" and see for yourself).
  • Compensation for any lost Year 1 Sales.
  • Selling freely on all the other platforms after a year, very likely to be with its own marketing push, so you're essentially launching the game twice (we've seen this effect with Rise of the Tomb Raider).
The question is: How long can Epic sustain this? And what does Steam have in store?

Henk Hill said:
Yea, and didn't people pre-order that game on the steam store before the exclusivity deal happened? So the sales that happened on the steam store factor into that number.
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He's not gonna count that lmao.

The game was selling for $10 less. That probably had something to do with it.
 
Visitor said:
I'm just honestly not willing to listen to anyone tell me it's a travesty that epic games is spying on them and I'm a shill or an exceptional individual for not caring when all those other, bigger spying problems exist, go solve all those other things, then I'll believe your objection to Epic spying on you is in good faith and not just a rationalisation for already not liking Epic. I should say just for context that I haven't yet spent a single penny on the Epic store, I just find all this hysteria about them "stealing" games from Steam and forcing consumers to install their DRM platform incredibly autistic. You already made a deal with the devil when you installed Valve's DRM platform, I'd rather have the two of them fight eachother for my soul than sign it over exclusively to Valve out of misguided stockholm syndrome-esque corporate loyalty.
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I mean, I can understand your point and don't disagree. And yeah, a lot of the arguments have boiled down to STEAM GOOD EPIC BAD, and it's a bit more complicated than that. I wasn't interested in a new game store from jump because as I've said, I've got a huge backlog of things to play. My issue with EGS boils down to the desperation they're showing by having to pay for exclusives and the rush to defend them because "THEY'RE NOT STEAM" (and I don't mean you, just in general). Everything out there has issues like you said, but you don't need to invite new ones into your life because of that.

Although, I haven't seen many people bitching about the EGS DRM, mostly about Fiddler being built into the program. I might've missed that shit though, so I can't be sure. I mean, unless you buy exclusively from GOG, I don't think you've got much room to talk about DRM issues though.
 
The 8 of Spades said:
the desperation they're showing by having to pay for exclusives
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I genuinely don't understand this point of view, it's a strategy they're employing as a new competitor to break into a market with one extremely dominant player, you have to employ special tactics to be able to do that. There's nothing wrong with what they're doing. If it's a bad strategy then it won't pay off for them and they'll lose out long-term. If it's a good strategy and it gets them a permanent foothold in digital video game distribution then I predict they will stop doing it after they have that secure position in the market. Microsoft and Sony largely don't do the exclusive thing anymore, timed exclusives, yes, but aside from Bloodborne I can't think of any big exclusive games for current-gen systems. It's just an entry strategy and it seems to be working from where I'm standing.

Sinners Sandwich said:
I'm not a shill!

Epic dindu nuffin! Go get rid of ALL the other maleware out there!1
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Thanks for your contribution to the discussion, I'll consider what you say very seriously!
 
Visitor said:
I genuinely don't understand this point of view, it's a strategy they're employing as a new competitor to break into a market with one extremely dominant player, you have to employ special tactics to be able to do that. There's nothing wrong with what they're doing. If it's a bad strategy then it won't pay off for them and they'll lose out long-term. If it's a good strategy and it gets them a permanent foothold in digital video game distribution then I predict they will stop doing it after they have that secure position in the market. Microsoft and Sony largely don't do the exclusive thing anymore, timed exclusives, yes, but aside from Bloodborne I can't think of any big exclusive games for current-gen systems. It's just an entry strategy and it seems to be working from where I'm standing.
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Yeah, that is a good point. My main issue comes down to the crowd funded game for that, and the Metro Devs temper tantrum was pretty distasteful imo as well. But I guess the question there is how much of that was Epic and how much was the devs themselves. It's not like I can pretend there's not a lot of greedy devs out there.
 
The 8 of Spades said:
Yeah, that is a good point. My main issue comes down to the crowd funded game for that, and the Metro Devs temper tantrum was pretty distasteful imo as well. But I guess the question there is how much of that was Epic and how much was the devs themselves. It's not like I can pretend there's not a lot of greedy devs out there.
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Yeah I meant to address that earlier but I got distracted, the question of crowdfunding is a reasonable one, yes. People running crowdfunding campaigns should be more careful about how they handle things like that, you're beholden to your backers in a way that you're not to regular consumers, they should at least announce their intentions and get feedback before they come to a final decision on where the game will or will not be sold.
 
I'm not going to make any friends by saying this but...

...goddamn am I glad I'm just a dirty peasant console gamer and I don't have to worry about this kind of shit.

Anyway, time to go back to playing Metro: Exodus. Thanks for the extra salt that I can put on my popcorn!
 
Fuck, I didn't even WANT to get Steam in the first place. I HAD to get Steam because in its infinite stupidity Bethesdumb decided that physical copies of New Vegas and Skyrim needed the DRM and I didn't want to just pirate the damn game. So I got Steam, but while there found a fuckton of other decent games and now I'm okay with it even if I wish I could have avoided it altogether while still supporting the developers.
But I just don't want another goddamn shitty launcher. Shit, I never even went with the GOG launcher, I just downloaded my damn games after purchase and that was that. I've avoided every launcher since Steam because I do NOT want another goddamn bit of shit on my computer that I don't need. If I can't get it from Steam or an actual store like Walmart or Gamestop, I just ain't buying it.
I'm finally over the guilt I once felt when I pirated shit. Now I just don't care.

Besides, if Epic is paying for the lost sales, that means they pay for any copy I would have bought. The company is compensated and I get free games without the devs losing out too badly. Everyone wins, except maybe Epic.
 
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neural said:
Sadly, GoG store isn't exactly flooding with money. And I have a feeling it's going to die in the next 5-10 years.
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I don't see GOG dying unless CD Projekt dies. And considering how well the Witcher 3 sold and how well Cyberpunk is projected to sell I'm pretty sure they'll do fine.

The reason I'd speculate as to why GOG's revenue has slowed down as of late has more to do with the lack of new legacy titles on the platform. Which they're thankfully correcting with their recent Blizzard deal. (I had zero expectation they'd get Diablo but here we are).

The focus on Legacy titles is the reason why I've bought more than 50 games on GOG and why I still browse it every few days hoping something new appears. I don't have the same reverence for the Epic store in comparison. If the Epic store had a similar focus on legacy titles then I'd be more interested.
 
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