Orbiter Kat Speculation - With guest appearances by her sister, Jenna

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Guess Kat's weight.

  • >200 lbs.

    Votes: 22 3.5%

  • 200 lbs.-250 lbs.

    Votes: 125 20.0%

  • 250 lbs.- 300 lbs.

    Votes: 110 17.6%

  • Damn that's a huge bitch.

    Votes: 369 58.9%
  • Total voters
    626
Prince Lotor said:
That eye direction shit is mostly an internet meme that's kind of just a buzzword at this point, like, "OHHH Becky looked to the Right when she said that, she LYIN'. Gorl, get exposed!"
Psychologists and experts in the field don't put any stock in that. If you're really good at reading body language there are some ques you can pick up on.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...right-doesnt-indicate-if-youre-lying-1922058/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...nds-that-betray-you-not-the-eyes-7936522.html
https://www.livescience.com/34068-eye-movements-lying.html
https://bombardsbodylanguage.com/2019/01/03/body-language-roger-ver-experience-in-federal-prison/

Phil is rapidly shifting his eyes all over the place constantly at this part because he is a squirmy, greasy little piggy. One thing to know about Phil is he always looks like he's lying, even when he's completely telling the truth. It's because he has absolutely zero self-confidence, so no matter what he's saying he always makes a 'Believe Me' face and nervously acts as if he has to convince you like people do when they are lying.

He's so looney from being socially isolated that he behaves as if his camera were a real live person which, due to his lack of self-confidence, causes him not to be able to look in the camera when he's talking just like he is unable to look people in the eyes, so he shifts all over the place because it would be even weirder broadcasting yourself talking while staring at one spot on your wall or some shit. Even from that Headset unboxing video with the camera not even pointed at him he's going crazy shifting all over the place while talking about his opinion and experiences with various headsets, he can never just calmly address his viewing audience, it always has to be some puffed-up blustery over-the-top shit to try to assuage his own lack of self-confidence when speaking. When he says his spiel about how comfortable he is speaking on camera and how he's done it so long he's great at it and completely confident, that's a fucking lie.

I've seen him on multiple occasions do some weird goatee cupping into palm smelling action and then sneakily glance at the camera out of the corner of his eye as if he's trying to determine if the camera noticed that weird stank huffing he just did, instead of say glancing sneakily at streamchat on his laptop to actually see if his viewers are calling him out on it. He's a fucking head-case, so trying to get a read on him as you would a more well adjusted average person probably won't be that elucidating IMO
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(@Prince Lotor, I meant to write this on Thursday, I just kept forgetting :/)

Technical language has increasingly become attached to the common parlance with society's accelerating technicity. Scientific language like "Correlation" and "Exponential", Art language like "Juxtaposition", and Computer language like "Program, "Decode", and "Refile". However, because of our society's specialization of work, the correct use of these terms is compartmentalized, unknown to the masses that uses them. Psychological knowledge and language, like reading eye-movement, is abused like the rest, but I don't think it can be completely dismissed because of that.

I have a friend that's an accomplished therapist, who's been helping people with trauma issues for many years (unfortunately, I can't say any more than that, cuz Powerlevel, so you'll kinda have to take my word). Recently, this friend has begun using "Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing therapy" (EMDR) with clients. With EMDR, eye-movements are used to properly "refile" the memory of the traumatic event. What perhaps used to take two hours can now take forty minutes: "It almost feels like cheating".

IMO, Lolcows are the hyper-accelerated symptom of our masses, and Phil is among the most accomplished. I definitely agree about the inability to "read" Phil (I've said elsewhere on this site that even if one of us Internet-Shitheads had the technical knowledge to diagnose him, it would still be unethical to do so, given that the expert will have never met him IRL). I'm sure his "'Believe Me' face" is as much used to deceive himself as his audience. Subjective and objective reality are interchangeable for Phil and most others that this site follows. We can only see the Phil on the computer screen, and not his malleable self-deception. Attempting to "correlate" his behaviour, to diagnose him, is pointless.
 
Haunter said:
(@Prince Lotor, I meant to write this on Thursday, I just kept forgetting :/)

Technical language has increasingly become attached to the common parlance with society's accelerating technicity. Scientific language like "Correlation" and "Exponential", Art language like "Juxtaposition", and Computer language like "Program, "Decode", and "Refile". However, because of our society's specialization of work, the correct use of these terms is compartmentalized, unknown to the masses that uses them. Psychological knowledge and language, like reading eye-movement, is abused like the rest, but I don't think it can be completely dismissed because of that.

I have a friend that's an accomplished therapist, who's been helping people with trauma issues for many years (unfortunately, I can't say any more than that, cuz Powerlevel, so you'll kinda have to take my word). Recently, this friend has begun using "Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing therapy" (EMDR) with clients. With EMDR, eye-movements are used to properly "refile" the memory of the traumatic event. What perhaps used to take two hours can now take forty minutes: "It almost feels like cheating".

IMO, Lolcows are the hyper-accelerated symptom of our masses, and Phil is among the most accomplished. I definitely agree about the inability to "read" Phil (I've said elsewhere on this site that even if one of us Internet-Shitheads had the technical knowledge to diagnose him, it would still be unethical to do so, given that the expert will have never met him IRL). I'm sure his "'Believe Me' face" is as much used to deceive himself as his audience. Subjective and objective reality are interchangeable for Phil and most others that this site follows. We can only see the Phil on the computer screen, and not his malleable self-deception. Attempting to "correlate" his behaviour, to diagnose him, is pointless.
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Yuuuup...

Dude, good points & well made! I love shitting all over Phil, but the whole matter has to be taken as a sort of game. Playing armchair Freud and Judge Judy with a side of half-remembered info from talking to Uncle Ted who works part-time at the H&R Block in the mall is really, really fun, and judging people is pretty much an art these days, but we don't know shit.*

Can I 'tell when Phil is lying'? Yes. Sort of. No. But yes. Of course I can. As long as I remember this is bullshit, we are all autists and nothing on the internet is real, it's super happy funtimes. Can I tell you from powerlevel every single thing you need to know about the kind of person you turn out to be from having a life like Kat's? Hell, yeah. Does it matter? Not really. We just talking shit about the loud asshole next door.

The reason we are 'allowed' to do this is that Phil waves his Assflag around so high & brave and draws so much complex attention to his awfullness, and scams so much money out of poor, ugly fatherless teenagers SO BRAZENLY that he has earned every moment of scorn & inspection. Deep down, though, the psychology is all heartbreakingly simple. That does not make us all genius observers of human nature. We are just as pathetic for sitting here as he is, except that maybe, we have a better sense of humour.

On the internet, it's assholes all the way down.

*thanks to Phil spending every waking moment screaming into the void online or on twitter, I admit, he is pretty easy to account for.
 
As with most things, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Clearly Phil and Kat have no chemistry, no connection, but that doesn't mean she hates him or sees through him. She grew up in a fucked-up situation, so living with a guy, cooking dinner, and playing girlfriend on stream every few months in exchange for a (relatively) nice house, car, etc. is possibly a great deal. Sure in the long run someone better will come along, her mental issues will return, Phil will finally lose the house (okay, that won't happen, dude is the luckiest person alive), etc. For now, she mainly hides in the shadows, goes to her min-wage job, and looks nervous on stream every few months.
 
Some folk on twitter are thinking it's crossing a line airing in public Kat's mental health issues. While they dislike DSP they feel it's going too far.

For me personally I can somewhat see the point. Kat's undeniably a digger of gold and undeniably has mental health issues but really hasn't seemingly done anything to be a target, aside from aiding Phil in his nefarious schemes. For some that's enough justification but clearly for others, it's not.

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KingjadVCMP said:
Some folk on twitter are thinking it's crossing a line airing in public Kat's mental health issues. While they dislike DSP they feel it's going too far.

For me personally I can somewhat see the point. Kat's undeniably a digger of gold and undeniably has mental health issues but really hasn't seemingly done anything to be a target, aside from aiding Phil in his nefarious schemes. For some that's enough justification but clearly for others, it's not.

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My argument re: her court issues specifically is that they're matters of public record for a reason. They're also being somewhat disingenuous - they're not her "supposed health issues". She was ordered to seek treatment and that's all we know.. The nature of her diagnosis, if any, and treatment are sealed and can't be accessed by any member of the public short of the commission of a crime.

When you break the law, what you did and the ruling of the People against you are made public. Don't like it, don't break the law.

EDIT for clarity and to add: I endorse and encourage anyone stepping back from the fence of any lolcow for any reason. Abysses and gazing into them, and all that.
 
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KingjadVCMP said:
Some folk on twitter are thinking it's crossing a line airing in public Kat's mental health issues. While they dislike DSP they feel it's going too far.

For me personally I can somewhat see the point. Kat's undeniably a digger of gold and undeniably has mental health issues but really hasn't seemingly done anything to be a target, aside from aiding Phil in his nefarious schemes. For some that's enough justification but clearly for others, it's not.

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i mean, its public record. wouldnt take that much stalker to find it out.

i would feel morebad about it if phil didnt constantly say mentally ill detractors for the last, what year at least? but just recently stopped.

wonder why that is... :thinking:
 
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She is a grown ass 30 year old woman who chose to move in with the most prolific lolcow in internet history. She knew exactly what she was getting into.
 
When you willingly walk into a burning building, and get burned, you have become fair game. I’ll save my pity for the weak, not the stupid.
 
I agree, guys. Posting public court records about Kat's mental health from almost a decade ago is TOO FAR! Bringing up her being abused as a child and involving her ex boyfriend in the drama was all fun and games, but this is just GROSS!
 
this is all reminding me about the time kat was on stream and we were suppose to get to know her. you know, she what she likes or dont likes. her past, her future. perhaps maybe some "i was mentally institutionalized in the past, but thats all behind me and i have worked out my problems and im much better for it." etc etc

but in the end it was just phil bitching about detractors the entire stream.

cause i member
 
I would feel bad about it if Phil hadn't basically challenged all of us and told us she had "No social media presence" and was "undoxxable" . The mental health stuff might be crossing a line for some, but she should try to get that stuff removed from a PUBLIC website if she didn't want that exposed. It's possible she didn't even know that information was available.
 
Kat must be madly in love with Phil or super desperate. Anyone who associates with him romantically will have their online life ruined. I don’t endorse the release of private information about a lolcow, but if it’s out there it’s inevitably going to be exposed. I mean, does anyone doubt that Phil will be hounded by trolls until he is dead or ruined?
 
ReentryPhantom said:
I would feel bad about it if Phil hadn't basically challenged all of us and told us she had "No social media presence" and was "undoxxable" . The mental health stuff might be crossing a line for some, but she should try to get that stuff removed from a PUBLIC website if she didn't want that exposed. It's possible she didn't even know that information was available.
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I'd completely forgotten about that. Yeah, if I'd been Kat I'd have been furious at him for throwing down the gauntlet like that. For as often as it turned out she'd appear on-stream he could have said nothing about her. Not that she was moving in, not that she even existed. The only reason he did was for his ego. Not to welcome her, not to introduce her to his CHILL AND FUN fanbase, nothing. It was all for him.

Fuck, I dislike him even more now. (:_(
 
KingjadVCMP said:
Some folk on twitter are thinking it's crossing a line airing in public Kat's mental health issues. While they dislike DSP they feel it's going too far.

For me personally I can somewhat see the point. Kat's undeniably a digger of gold and undeniably has mental health issues but really hasn't seemingly done anything to be a target, aside from aiding Phil in his nefarious schemes. For some that's enough justification but clearly for others, it's not.

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Well, who gives. As long as it is info that can be dug from the dung heaps that is the internetz, it is info that is out there for the taking. Can happen to me, can happen to you, can happen to the Kat. Are folks who in their bizarre obsession with a lolcow find nothing better to do with their life then to dig through the dirt of the net autistic on a tenfold level? Yup, surely. Most of the participants (which includes us people on KF) of the DSPhere are anyways. But I don't see the point of being disgusted by or a contrarian to that, as long as it does not venture into black-ops territory (like trying to entice Kat's ex-sugardaddy to release some dirt or try to steal her locked medical records or whatever - you get my drift).

As for the two guys in the twitter: if these sweet juicy mental health infos digged up were able to discredit a person of their personal disliking, I highly suspect these white knight morals to fly out the window before yer able to get to the second l in lolcow in a spell contest. Hypocrites. No more, no less. In the end, we are all assholes in one way or another (especially when hanging around KF, waiting for the newest drama about a lolcow). So if you don't like what the Kat is dragged through, don't participate. But then again, you maybe shouldn't participate ar all. (Edit: "you" in this case equals "we").
 
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I don’t think anyone gives a fuck about Kat; anything exposed on her is in the furtherance of baiting Phil. Phil could avert all of this if he gave the public what they want: namely transparency (show us the receipts) and open lines of communication (leave on voice chat).
 
Why can't you guys just treat Kat with dignity? You're going too far. Phil takes great care to protect Kat and treat her with respect at all times, like on the Halloween stream when he told her to stand up and twirl around to show off her short skirt while she was clearly uncomfortable as fuck. If you want to reveal someone's private medical history, you do that shit with sensitivity. You reveal it live on stream, make the whole thing about you, and then repost it on a monetised Youtube video with 300 ads on it.
 
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