💊 Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

[Raging Capybara]

This piece of shit knows how to make money. That's one of the reason why I don't think he's a lolcow, he should have a community watch thread instead. But I'm not a moderator so fuck me. His fans are the worst.

500 burger dollars for what? I can't imagine what this tier was supposed to offer.

 

[lowkey]

This piece of shit knows how to make money. That's one of the reason why I don't think he's a lolcow

I thought "internet famous" was the right place when I first started the thread, but whatev.

Also, Sargon knew how to make money. Sarkeesian knew how to make money.

 

[Buggins]

This piece of shit knows how to make money.

Herding losers and incels is profitable, that's why Sarg'n started pandering to the latter.
I mean, just imagine the kind of people desperate enough to turn to this sad excuse of a man, seeking a role model.

A fool and his money are easily parted...

 

[Mr Snek]

Herding losers and incels is profitable, that's why Sarg'n started pandering to the latter.
I mean, just imagine the kind of people desperate enough to turn to this sad excuse of a man, seeking a role model.

A fool and his money are easily parted...

Who's the bigger fool, the fool or the fool who follows him?

 

[Durable Mike Malloy]

He hasn't shown himself to be out of his league when being interviewed by journalists. Most people just keep on walking right into obvious journalistic smear traps. JPB indicates he knows what the game is and what their bias is straight away, and I love that. I may think he's a big goofy guy with exceptionally dumb views on religion and stuff, but I have to give the man credit for that. I'm not sure I've ever seen someone like JPB (only in the public eye until recently) so well able to handle journalists.

It seems like many journalists stumble by interviewing him as they would approach a pop culture figure as opposed to an academic professional. Most universities offer media relations training to academics, and Jordan Peterson hews precisely to that playbook.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

It seems like many journalists stumble by interviewing him as they would approach a pop culture figure as opposed to an academic professional. Most universities offer media relations training to academics, and Jordan Peterson hews precisely to that playbook.

The media treats him in a pop culture manner because journalists are basically steeped in shallow pop culture and they don't think much in depth beyond that. Their world is Kanye West and Cardi B and the latest Avenger's movie.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

I think it’s huge they’re losing some very big accounts but Patreon still has some massive whales. I do t think anything’s gonna happen to them over this. What needs to happen is all the people who fund patrons need to leave as well.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

I think it’s huge they’re losing some very big accounts but Patreon still has some massive whales. I do t think anything’s gonna happen to them over this. What needs to happen is all the people who fund patrons need to leave as well.

What people don't realize is that Patreon doesn't really care if they lose money, hell, I doubt the people running it even care. They fancy themselves as sort of elite bohemians challenging the system (haute boheme), man. Sure they drive nice cars and live in an above-average sized $1,000/mo cardboard box in SoCal, the people running the show all have connections and pull and will land another sweet gig the second Patreon were to go under. In San Fran they all want to be activists challenging the man, there's a reason fucking Jim Jones was popular when he was in the damn city. Real fucking limousine liberals and champagne socialists, all of them.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

It seems like many journalists stumble by interviewing him as they would approach a pop culture figure as opposed to an academic professional. Most universities offer media relations training to academics, and Jordan Peterson hews precisely to that playbook.

For all accounts and purposes he is a pop culture figure. I'd argue he's the modern successor of some of the self-help woo-woo stuff we saw in the 90s and 00s.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

What people don't realize is that Patreon doesn't really care if they lose money, hell, I doubt the people running it even care. They fancy themselves as sort of elite bohemians challenging the system (haute boheme), man. Sure they drive nice cars and live in an above-average sized $1,000/mo cardboard box in SoCal, the people running the show all have connections and pull and will land another sweet gig the second Patreon were to go under. In San Fran they all want to be activists challenging the man, there's a reason fucking Jim Jones was popular when he was in the damn city. Real fucking limousine liberals and champagne socialists, all of them.

Oh yeah, it’s not about Patreon making money it’s more about them feeling good facilitating support for “creators”.

Regardless that the vast number of them don’t actually create content and it’s become welfare for the speds of the internet. It’s payment for breathing basically.

Why is Brianna Wu still bringing in hundreds of dollars a month and he hasn’t updated his Patreon in 3 years.

 

[GenderCop]

It seems like many journalists stumble by interviewing him as they would approach a pop culture figure as opposed to an academic professional. Most universities offer media relations training to academics, and Jordan Peterson hews precisely to that playbook.

academic professionals themselves - his equals - think they are too superior to talk to him (much less interview him) because he is sexisttransphobicxyzblahlblah so they send in (sacrifice) some dumb newbie journalist to do it.

peterson promptly eats newbie alive.

over & over & over.

 

[Man of the Sea]

After reading through this whole thread, I have come to the conclusion the JBP haters and lovers are equally as cringeworthy, with one side seeing him as some evil entity, and the lovers thinking he's a genius savior.

 

[Pozzingmyfilthyneghole]

After reading through this whole thread, I have come to the conclusion the JBP haters and lovers are equally as cringeworthy, with one side seeing him as some evil entity, and the lovers thinking he's a genius savior.

Yeah, it’s weird how this awkward Canadian professor is simultaneously Christ and Anti-Christ to so many.

 

[Cinderblock]

After reading through this whole thread, I have come to the conclusion the JBP haters and lovers are equally as cringeworthy, with one side seeing him as some evil entity, and the lovers thinking he's a genius savior.

Lmao, Boogie fence sitter. What do you really think of Peterson?

 

[r00]

After reading through this whole thread, I have come to the conclusion the JBP haters and lovers are equally as cringeworthy, with one side seeing him as some evil entity, and the lovers thinking he's a genius savior.

This is so true. I don't know much about his personal life, and 12 rules was just a bunch of basic wisdom repackaged for autists so I could never really get any entertainment from Peterson aside from his Jung lectures, which are pretty great. His fans/detractors on the other hand are fucking hilarious. His fans are all fat virgins who treat him like he's the second coming of Jesus, and his haters seem to bee tying themselves up in knots trying to misrepresent him. Nothing about his book was all that profound or radical, but he's got this weird buzz around him that is creating a bunch of frothing idiots on both sides of the political spectrum.

 

[Man of the Sea]

Lmao, Boogie fence sitter. What do you really think of Peterson?

I think he's relatively harmless, and the only reason he gets the popularity he has today is because the haters just bring him more attention. He originally got attention purely because of C16 and people who despise his position on it. The irony is if his haters just ignored him, I doubt he'd have as much relevance as he does now.

 

[Affluent Reptilian]

I think he's relatively harmless, and the only reason he gets the popularity he has today is because the haters just bring him more attention. He originally got attention purely because of C16 and people who despise his position on it. The irony is if his haters just ignored him, I doubt he'd have as much relevance as he does now.

Pretty much completely agree - although I think for a subset of people he might be a positive rather than 'relatively harmless'.

On a lot of things he says he's speaking basic wisdom; on some scientific topics he talks about he actually knows what he's saying and will bring to light some interesting stuff (eg his interview with Richard Haier, some of the stuff about organisational psychology).

In the areas he argues most strongly for more social conservatism on he might argue he thinks society should trend back towards a more traditional way of life (eg more women in the household), but I haven't seen him ever subordinate such an idea to more basic liberal principles so that even though he might think on the whole society would be better if it followed those more conservative tenets, he doesn't think individuals should be directly forced into those roles or that such a way of life is the best for everyone. I understand how people can get their backs up over some of his commentary in this area, though, since it often sounds abrasive at first glance.

I should add I differ from him on a lot of these topics and don't think he's a font of absolute wisdom, my point is not much of what he says is really as out there and offensive to mainstream norms as many people say.

Where I do part ways with him is on some of the philosophical stuff. He gets pretty out there in theory and florid in language when tying broader issues he sees into his philosophical beliefs. I also wish he'd broaden his philosophical and political readings a bit - for example, it would benefit him a lot to read more Marx, Gramsci, Marcuse etc. Not because I think they'd change his mind on things (actually a lot of his arguments against them are very broadly correct), but because it would add a lot more nuance to his understanding of their beliefs and he'd be able to much more effectively argue against them so as to convince people sitting on the fence.

There are weirdos out there who follow him and are very eccentric, lack the intelligence to see the nuances or don't read more widely and take Peterson as an oracle; while I've seen him be rather impulsive and abrasive I don't know how fair it is to blame all of these people's behaviour and weirdness on Peterson himself.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

I'll have to add, as someone that has been mostly defending Peterson in this thread for the sole reason that people tend to assume every cow is an asshole or sociopath or self interested when that's not the case, I'll say that while Peterson is frequently solid in psychology, he doesn't represent what actual scientific psychology is like these days. He's definitely leaning towards the psychodynamic/psychoanalytic school of psychology which is dying out. I know of at least one person that was getting turned off on psychology by listening to their other friends that were influenced by Peterson talking about Jung, making them think modern psychology is horse shit, since Jungian stuff sounds like the horse shit it is.

It's gonna suck when a bunch of fedora boys go into psychology expecting to talk about "Jung" and "maps of meaning" and "archetypes" when modern psychology talks about fucking goddamn response times to stimuli, positive reinforcement, neurotransmitters and their affects on behavior or in regards to mental disorders, social psych stuff (which is closer to sociology on the science scale but being a bit less politically motivated), etc..

Despite all this, it doesn't mean Peterson is a bad guy. He reeks of self-help guru sometimes, to be sure, though, I don't think he's a man motivated by power or greed, and certainly not like someone like Milo was. Peterson comes off as a nice man that means well, albeit being a goofy academic. But fuck, without powerleveling too much, I will say that the brand of intellectual he is has irked me for some time, both regarding religion and the field of psychology.

Overall, Peterson is a pretty good human being. His followers are absolutely cringeworthy pseudointellectual youth that want to feel like they're part of some burgeoning intellectual movement, but most of his diehard critics are actually evil people. I have to constantly preface how I think Peterson is actually a decent guy because I don't want Peterson's awful critics to be bolstered in any way. For whatever faults the man has, most of his critics are the absolute worst sort of human. Just look at how The Young Jerks treated him.

 

[lowkey]

Despite all this, it doesn't mean Peterson is a bad guy. He reeks of self-help guru sometimes, to be sure, though, I don't think he's a man motivated by power or greed, and certainly not like someone like Milo was.

If he's not motivated by power or greed, what is motivating him? The goodness of his heart?

Maybe it's the depression sized hole he's trying to fill. What are your thoughts?

edit: seems I posted this before, I must have forgot. We all say stupid stuff as teens, though I do think it's a very particular thing to say.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

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If he's not motivated by power or greed, what is motivating him? The goodness of his heart?

I think it's the depression sized hole he's trying to fill.

I'm not sure why you keep linking that NDP thing. It's kind of funny, but dude... if you linked shit from me when I was that age, I'd be even more humiliated.

What's motivating him is probably a multiple of factors, and actually yes, I think depression is a part of it. A lot of people want respect and meaning. They just want to be liked and belong. I guess power is tied into there, but when I say "seeking power" I mean more in the sense someone like Hillary Clinton would. But I don't think his intents are nefarious at all, no. He might be getting too used to getting shekels for speaking arrangements and stuff, though... ugh.

I think the dude actually cares, if you've seen his hilariously cringey crying about individuality in Western society or whatever that was, heh, wow.