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🪦 Deceased Gwen Hartley & The Hartley Hooligans - Attention Seeking Horrorshow Mom of Two Dead Gremlins & Finally Free Human Son
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And also makes it look like she's making a sick joke about Zippy the Pinhead.
Are... are we having fun yet?
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The other problem is Gwen never shuts up. The one thing Lola might have a reaction to is the sound of Gwen’s voice. So while trying to get Lola to focus on a screen or just stay forward facing (a nearly impossible task already) Gwen yammers away about Miss Pocky being hungry. So all Lola does it root in the direction of Gwen’s voice, never even looking at the screen.
I think Gwen knew how pointless that Eagles Eyes shit was and so made nervous baby talk and excuses about Lola being hungry rather than be quiet and watch Lola fail at even noticing a singing dancing jaberwocky 3 inches from her face.
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I doubt Lola even has the capacity to her or rather, like her vision, it works but her brain is so impaired she can't really comprehend anything. Lola doesn't talk, see, hear, eat (gwen shoving food down her throat doesn't count) she barely moves and she can't think. Basically, she isn't human but just a waste of space. Gwen likes to say how they changed/touched so many lives and made people better but really, the only contribution they might have possibly made is that abortion is far more humane than bringing those things to the world. Lola has no purpose, Claire had no purpose but to waste resources and people's time.
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Yeah Claire never had a sense of awareness. She had random movements and seizures people confuse for awareness because our brains are wired to do that.
Literally the only difference between Claire alive and Claire dead is that her body is decaying faster. Mentally there's no difference.
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Just think. This is one of her cherished memories of Claire. "That time she made seizure noises that made her sound like a normal crying child for a few seconds."
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There was never a Claire. Just a lump of flesh.
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Better yet: "Oh, noes, my precious little Mimi is crying; I'd better go pick her up and comfort her. ... Nah, fuck that. I need to grab my camera; this is gonna make a kick-ass Facebook post."
In some of the videos, I've seen the aides/therapists actively contribute to Gwennie's delusions. I used to wonder why, until it hit me -- there is no way in hell those people want to give up what is probably the easiest meal ticket of their week.
Yeah, but Mirna, you know that none of those videos are really about the girls; it's all about Gwennie. If Gwennie shut up and let Pocky do her thing on the Eagle Eyes, Gwennie would be out of the spotlight, which is just unthinkable.
I've posted this before but it never fails to freak me out when, at the 8- or 9-second mark, Claire abruptly stops crying and her eyes return to their regular blank and glassy state. It just feels so otherworldly.
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It's like a switch flips and the lights flick off. It's horrifying to me.
I genuinely hope that Claire's passing helps Gwen accept Lola will pass too soon
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...Lola is a spunky preteen who would cuss a lot if she spoke, according to Gwen. So, no. I don't think she will accept her severely impaired child no longer being in absolute misery.
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I mean, I'd be pretty profane too if I was in her situation and had the capacity to talk.
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I know the potatoes aren't people but isn't it a big thing to give mentally disabled people some level of dignity by not talking to them like they're babies? Like yeah you have to be more simplistic in your speech but Gwen's "so saaaadddd" baby talk would make even the lowest functioning autist fling something to get her to shut up.
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Parents with profoundly disabled children like them don't really talk to them. They know they won't listen or see, they know they can't comprehend. In this case their visual cortex was/is completely gone, destroyed. That is if they even could see or hear at some point, their degenerative condition took care of it — so they're now blind and deaf. Gwen probably (i'm certain of it) only talks to them when she is recording something.
The fact that people and even parents don't feel the need to talk with these kids shows just how much a person, even if it is instinctively, knows it is of no use no matter their level of denial or delusion. Even Gwen knows this, deep down.
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I'm too lazy to site this, but there have been studies done that indicate that talking normally to babies is better than "baby-talking" to them. So talking to a normal baby that way is inappropriate on its own. It's even worse when you consider the disability, since talking-down to people with disabilities is a big faux pas, at least in my experience.*
*Had a brief stint working at a community center for people with disabilities. Any speech or behavior that infantilized them was discouraged.
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I don't know, people talk to their pets and to photos of deceased loved ones, etc. I do some work at a cemetery and we have people come in and have meals at their husband's gravesite, chatting the entire time, or chat with them while they're planting flowers or pulling weeds. I can't imagine the impulse to talk to human things would end just because you knew they couldn't hear you. Wishful thinking, you want to believe that somehow they can understand you even if you know, logically, they can't.
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Yeah, that's pretty normal behavior.
It's the exploitation of her children that's unsettling and skeevy.
What studies?
Engaging in baby talk seems to not only be instinctively wired into our brains, but it is recognized as helping develop their ability to communicate. I used to work with families and children, and we would have material on how to best to engage with babies and toddlers. Basically, talking both normally and talking in baby talk can work in tandem to help development, with talking more normally being most helpful when a baby reaches about 18 months or so and is entering toddler-hood.
So basically...
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Yeah, that's pretty normal behavior.
It's the exploitation of her children that's unsettling and skeevy.
What studies?
Engaging in baby talk seems to not only be instinctively wired into our brains, but it is recognized as helping develop their ability to communicate. I used to work with families and children, and we would have material on how to best to engage with babies and toddlers. Basically, talking both normally and talking in baby talk can work in tandem to help development, with talking more normally being most helpful when a baby reaches about 18 months or so and is entering toddler-hood.
So basically...
If treating your babies like adults was an always good thing, over tenderness and bonding through baby talk, I'm sure ghetto brats and hillbilly tots being sworn at and fed coke and McDonalds would be brain surgeons.
It seems to be some weird Scientology meets SJW crusade that's bought this no babby speak to the fore.
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Babby speak is for adults spending a grand to go to adult daycares.
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F, yadda yadda.
I have even more mixed emotions about Gwen now, I think. I'm still not entirely sure that she's intentionally an attention-seeking social media whore looking for asspats, rather than just a mom who's just so incredibly deep in denial that she needs everyone to tell her how great the girls are and how great a mom she is, or else she'd kill herself or drive out of state and never contact her family again or something. I still feel bad for her, because I think she's been growing progressively manic over the years when talking about the kids and I think it seems like it's been getting harder and harder for her to pretend, except now she was conscious of that. I can kind of understand her posting the Lola endorsement bullshit while Claire was recently dead. She may have even been mid-post and then Claire died and the coroner came and took her away and suddenly after 17 years there was one Claire less in the house, and maybe Gwen was just so in shock that she stumbled back to her laptop and finished typing and then stared blankly at the screen until Scott found her. That's a pretty detailed fantasy of me to have obviously but it's the kind of thing I can imagine having happened and if it was what happened then I definitely feel sympathetic. I can't really explain away some of her other shit the same way, though.
I am another who is very surprised that Claire went before Lola, but I suppose it's a small mercy really, since Claire has had to put up with all this for longer and her bones were practically inside out at this point.
Also, OT, in regards to Alfie Evans and Charlie Gard, as mentioned upthread:
I have even more mixed emotions about Gwen now, I think. I'm still not entirely sure that she's intentionally an attention-seeking social media whore looking for asspats, rather than just a mom who's just so incredibly deep in denial that she needs everyone to tell her how great the girls are and how great a mom she is, or else she'd kill herself or drive out of state and never contact her family again or something. I still feel bad for her, because I think she's been growing progressively manic over the years when talking about the kids and I think it seems like it's been getting harder and harder for her to pretend, except now she was conscious of that. I can kind of understand her posting the Lola endorsement bullshit while Claire was recently dead. She may have even been mid-post and then Claire died and the coroner came and took her away and suddenly after 17 years there was one Claire less in the house, and maybe Gwen was just so in shock that she stumbled back to her laptop and finished typing and then stared blankly at the screen until Scott found her. That's a pretty detailed fantasy of me to have obviously but it's the kind of thing I can imagine having happened and if it was what happened then I definitely feel sympathetic. I can't really explain away some of her other shit the same way, though.
I am another who is very surprised that Claire went before Lola, but I suppose it's a small mercy really, since Claire has had to put up with all this for longer and her bones were practically inside out at this point.
Also, OT, in regards to Alfie Evans and Charlie Gard, as mentioned upthread:
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/alder-hey-v-evans.pdf Here is a link to the Judge's findings for the Alfie Evans case, I'm too stupid to figure out how to do a proper link.
Alright, so I saw on that Tard Baby General thread that apparently both these cases have been majorly misrepresentated in the US, mainly by the "pro-life" crowd who have somehow got involved. If things actually happened the way those people were saying then I'd totally be against it all as well.
I know a lot about Alfie Evans and less about Charlie Gard, but it seems like people are conflating the two so whatever. Alfie Evans had some crazy degenerative brain disorder, one that hadn't yet been seen in anybody else. Every time they scanned his head it had worsened. Eventually he had less brain than we can estimate the Hartleys had/have. Because they hadn't seen this condition before, his doctors and specialists and experts and shit couldn't say for sure whether he could interpret pain.
When the hospital wanted to withdraw futile treatment and focus on palliative care, the parents objected, which is fine, it's their kid, and they're still kids themselves, and they're not doctors, they can see their little boy right in front of them so how can he be gone, can't blame them for wanting to fight the advice of the doctors so they went to court. In the UK, children have their own rights. In the US, kids are essentially "property" of their parents, which a lot of people seem okay with and I guess due to cultural differences I find sort of messed up but I won't spend time on that. Kids have their own rights, and when something the parents want conflict with what is objectively best for the kid, then the courts step in to decide what should happen. The NHS had nothing to do with this. The government had absolutely nothing to do with this. The cost of taking care of Alfie had nothing to do with this. It was all purely to stop keeping his body alive while what little brain he had left had constant seizures.
Italy offered him a passport, which was nice of them. Italy offered to maintain palliative care for him, which again was very nice, but palliative care was what he was receiving in England. There was no experimental treatment in Italy. Is that something the American papers said? I saw that stated a few places closer to the time. But yeah, all Italy was going to do was keep him comfortable while he died. Which is what Alder Hey wanted to do, and was why they were in court in the first place.
The court shut down the transfer to Italy just in case Alfie could feel pain. They weren't sure if he could feel pain, because he couldn't feel anything else, but just in case he could, they wanted to prevent anything more strenuous. Letting him be airlifted and transferred to Italy when he was having constant seizures would have been seriously negligent, IMO, but my opinion doesn't matter. The courts' did, and they decided it was, so he didn't go.
It was sad, yes, but the kid was farther gone than the potatoes. The only reason it really got so much international attention was because of the US pro-birthers hyping it so much, and the only reason it got so much domestic attention was probably because of the absolutely mental "Alfie's Army" scumbags who congregated outside the hospital and spent their days spitting on anyone walking in or out, doxxing the medical staff and pulling the fire alarms. At a children's hospital, for fuck's sake. Because if Alfie were sentient, he'd totally appreciate those people aligned themselves with him.
Aaand now Charlie Gard. I don't remember as much about him because I don't think I cared that much at the time, not a nice person, blah blah, but his situation was kind of different. He was also severely fucked and definitely on the road to ruin etc but his parents weren't willing to let him go, and a doctor in the US offered them this experimental treatment, and they wanted to take him but the courts said no because it would have been cruel to move him, and he died, and then it turned out that the doctor who offered the experimental treatment hadn't even bothered to look at Charlie's most recent brain scans and when he did he realised that whatever the treatment had been, it wouldn't have worked anyway because Charlie's condition had deteriorated too far by then. So in that case I think it was the US doctor's fault rather than purely the parents' fault. I really can't remember much of it though.
So yeah sorry for the huge mostly-irrelevant post but a few people mentioned Alfie Evans (though had him and Charlie Gard conflated I think) so I thought I'd take advantage of my sperg-level following of the former at least and throw in some stuff
Alright, so I saw on that Tard Baby General thread that apparently both these cases have been majorly misrepresentated in the US, mainly by the "pro-life" crowd who have somehow got involved. If things actually happened the way those people were saying then I'd totally be against it all as well.
I know a lot about Alfie Evans and less about Charlie Gard, but it seems like people are conflating the two so whatever. Alfie Evans had some crazy degenerative brain disorder, one that hadn't yet been seen in anybody else. Every time they scanned his head it had worsened. Eventually he had less brain than we can estimate the Hartleys had/have. Because they hadn't seen this condition before, his doctors and specialists and experts and shit couldn't say for sure whether he could interpret pain.
When the hospital wanted to withdraw futile treatment and focus on palliative care, the parents objected, which is fine, it's their kid, and they're still kids themselves, and they're not doctors, they can see their little boy right in front of them so how can he be gone, can't blame them for wanting to fight the advice of the doctors so they went to court. In the UK, children have their own rights. In the US, kids are essentially "property" of their parents, which a lot of people seem okay with and I guess due to cultural differences I find sort of messed up but I won't spend time on that. Kids have their own rights, and when something the parents want conflict with what is objectively best for the kid, then the courts step in to decide what should happen. The NHS had nothing to do with this. The government had absolutely nothing to do with this. The cost of taking care of Alfie had nothing to do with this. It was all purely to stop keeping his body alive while what little brain he had left had constant seizures.
Italy offered him a passport, which was nice of them. Italy offered to maintain palliative care for him, which again was very nice, but palliative care was what he was receiving in England. There was no experimental treatment in Italy. Is that something the American papers said? I saw that stated a few places closer to the time. But yeah, all Italy was going to do was keep him comfortable while he died. Which is what Alder Hey wanted to do, and was why they were in court in the first place.
The court shut down the transfer to Italy just in case Alfie could feel pain. They weren't sure if he could feel pain, because he couldn't feel anything else, but just in case he could, they wanted to prevent anything more strenuous. Letting him be airlifted and transferred to Italy when he was having constant seizures would have been seriously negligent, IMO, but my opinion doesn't matter. The courts' did, and they decided it was, so he didn't go.
It was sad, yes, but the kid was farther gone than the potatoes. The only reason it really got so much international attention was because of the US pro-birthers hyping it so much, and the only reason it got so much domestic attention was probably because of the absolutely mental "Alfie's Army" scumbags who congregated outside the hospital and spent their days spitting on anyone walking in or out, doxxing the medical staff and pulling the fire alarms. At a children's hospital, for fuck's sake. Because if Alfie were sentient, he'd totally appreciate those people aligned themselves with him.
Aaand now Charlie Gard. I don't remember as much about him because I don't think I cared that much at the time, not a nice person, blah blah, but his situation was kind of different. He was also severely fucked and definitely on the road to ruin etc but his parents weren't willing to let him go, and a doctor in the US offered them this experimental treatment, and they wanted to take him but the courts said no because it would have been cruel to move him, and he died, and then it turned out that the doctor who offered the experimental treatment hadn't even bothered to look at Charlie's most recent brain scans and when he did he realised that whatever the treatment had been, it wouldn't have worked anyway because Charlie's condition had deteriorated too far by then. So in that case I think it was the US doctor's fault rather than purely the parents' fault. I really can't remember much of it though.
So yeah sorry for the huge mostly-irrelevant post but a few people mentioned Alfie Evans (though had him and Charlie Gard conflated I think) so I thought I'd take advantage of my sperg-level following of the former at least and throw in some stuff
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What I meant when I said "baby talk" was nonsense words. Speaking in a pleasant or melodical tone is obviously fine. This article talks about some of the papers I alluded to.
I'm not going to dignify that last bit with a response.
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