EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46233560

One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Image captionA driver forces a car through a group of protesters in Donges, western France
Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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Image captionTear gas was used to disperse protesters in Paris
The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 
I hate him and all his ilk, but I don't think we should kill them. Sure it would be a good example and I would watch it with popcorn in one hand and furiously masturbating with the other, but a better solution is to emprison them for life and just make them work 7 to 8 hours a day in a warehouse or a construction site for less than the minimum wage and still getting taxed to death, until they die, either of age or exhaustion. That way they'll understand and no other way, while being, for once, useful to society.

8 hours a day? Don't be a bleeding heart liberal, these people deserve to be treated the same as the Amazon workers in the warehouses, wage cage and everything.
 
After the "gilets jaunes" here comes the "gilets bleus". https://www.euronews.com/2018/12/18...o-protest-better-working-conditions-this-week
http://archive.is/ZJZo2

First, it was the gilets jaunes (yellow vest), now it's time for the gilets bleus (blue vest) protest.
After five weeks of violent demonstrations, French police say they're exhausted, overworked and underpaid, and will be protesting this week to demand better compensation and working conditions.
Police unions in France have repeatedly complained about fatigue in recent years and the gilets jaunes' month-long protests have pushed the force to a breaking point.

On Wednesday, police across France will hit the streets, calling themselves "les gilets bleus".
On social media, police union Alliance, are calling the protest "Act 1", using the same naming convention given by the gilets jaunes movement.
On his Twitter account, Alliance speaks of "disdain" for the Minister of the Interior:

Police union bosses are encouraging lawmakers to vote down the upcoming 2019 police budget (€62 million) this week in the French senate, that will see cuts across the force and many fear working conditions would deteriorate, if approved.
At a time when police security has been stretched thin – with protests, terrorism and the migrant crisis - police unions say they are in need of more money, not less, to be able to properly pay staff and afford new recruits.
Rocco Contento, representative for the Paris Unité-SGP police union, told Franceinfo that his colleagues had been stretched to their limits.

“Police resources are not inexhaustible. We were practically at our maximum - 89,000 members of the armed forces throughout France (out of 100,000)… We can’t do any more,” he said, when asked why smaller cities outside of Paris and Lyon such as St. Etienne received less police protection.

Another union, UNSA police, said its members only would provide minimum services Tuesday and asked for a meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron. The union asked the government earlier this month for payment of overtime hours officers put in work quelling the protests.

Styx vlogged about this.
 
Holy shit, if this is true:

French Generals Allegedly Label Macron a ‘Traitor’ over UN Migration Pact

Breitbart said:
The French army is reportedly considering disciplinary action against generals who allegedly referred to French president Emmanuel Macron as a “traitor” for signing the UN Global Compact for Migration.

A total of ten generals, a colonel, an admiral, and former French Minister of Defence Charles Millon put their signatures to a document released on December 10th that denounced the signing of the controversial UN migration compact in Marrakesh, Morocco, L’Opinion reports.

The letter, which was posted online, states: “By deciding alone to sign this pact, you would add an additional reason for a revolt with the anger of an already battered people. You would be guilty of a denial of democracy or treason against the nation.

“The French state is late in coming to realise the impossibility of integrating too many people, in addition to totally different cultures, who have regrouped in the last forty years in areas that no longer submit to the laws of the Republic.

“You can not decide alone to erase our civilisational landmarks and deprive us of our homeland,” the letter adds, calling for a referendum on the issue.

Several of the signatories are already known for their anti-mass migration stances, including former French Foreign Legion chief General Christian Piquemal, who wasstripped of military privileges after taking part in an anti-mass migration protest in Calais in 2016.

Piquemal was also seen at the Yellow Vest “Act IV” protests on December 8th giving a speech to a crowd of protesters while wearing a yellow vest. The Yellow Vest movement has protested the Macron government for weeks and, carrying on despite achieving a stoppage of the President’s “green” fuel tax increases.

Retired General André Coustou, 73, who also signed the document, evoked the theory of the “Great Replacement” coined by writer Renaud Camus, saying: “Once signed, this pact will compel our country to welcome a large number of immigrants, while it has not yet assimilated those who are already there. France will lose its Frenchness.”

Mr Camus spoke exclusively to Breitbart London on the subject of the Yellow Vest protests late last month, describing his theory of “replacementism” and saying the protests were about “lack of respect, general exchangeability, being treated by managerial politics like an object, a simple product.”
 
Well holy hell looks like my prediction earlier of the army turning on Macron in this thread is coming true. It may not be all of it but really, even a small percentage of infantry and officers, especially fucking generals, is enough to splash more fuel into the flame's at Macron's feet.

Also, whoever it was that told me it was impossible, you can go and eat a hat.
 
Well holy hell looks like my prediction earlier of the army turning on Macron in this thread is coming true. It may not be all of it but really, even a small percentage of infantry and officers, especially fucking generals, is enough to splash more fuel into the flame's at Macron's feet.

Also, whoever it was that told me it was impossible, you can go and eat a hat.

When you get a cadre of very highly placed General's calling the President an outright traitor for questionably and singlehandedly handing the nations sovereignty over to foreigners with no public or parliamentary review, it's not gonna end well.
 
It depends. The article isn't clear if the signatories are retired citizens expressing their opinions, or in active service. In the former case, it's significant only insofar as it might express the opinions of the military leadership.

I'd still bet against an outright coup.
 
I don’t think it will be a coup but I don’t see Macron lasting either. He will be replaced with another globalist toady who will fuck the French over slightly slower than Macron is doing.
 
It depends. The article isn't clear if the signatories are retired citizens expressing their opinions, or in active service. In the former case, it's significant only insofar as it might express the opinions of the military leadership.

I'd still bet against an outright coup.

he French Military really isn't prone to overthrow the government. That is not to say that they will fail to exert pressure on the moron in the mansion/ Just the implication from the Military leaders that Macron is deliberately acting against the interests of France and the French is generally enough. The Military might not overthrow him. But they sure as shit aren't going to stop anybody else from doing so.
 
he French Military really isn't prone to overthrow the government. That is not to say that they will fail to exert pressure on the moron in the mansion/ Just the implication from the Military leaders that Macron is deliberately acting against the interests of France and the French is generally enough. The Military might not overthrow him. But they sure as shit aren't going to stop anybody else from doing so.
what I want: 18 Brumaire
what we should hope for: Putsch des genereaux
what we will get: no military intervention
 
Macron had his Christmas dinner with the French army in Chad, far away from all the yellow vests and dissatisfied population, and all the French news talk about atm is whether or not he did the Wakanda forever sign.
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(In reality, he didn’t. This is the rallying sign for the “stop violences towards women in Africa” movement, which he did at the behest of his audience and the speaker, but it’s still very amusing to see everyone sperg out about how he tries to garner sympathy from Africans with the whole “Wakanda forever” shtick. Because nothing screams “I support you, black people” more than endorsing a fantasy country made by a white man and owned by Disney.)
 
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Macron had his Christmas dinner with the French army in Tchad, far away from all the yellow vests and dissatisfied population, and all the French news talk about atm is whether or not he did the Wakanda forever sign.
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(In reality, he didn’t. This is the rallying sign for the “stop violences towards women in Africa” movement, which he did at the behest of his audience and the speaker, but it’s still very amusing to see everyone sperg out about how he tries to garner sympathy from Africans with the whole “Wakanda forever” shtick. Because nothing screams “I support you, black people” more than endorsing a fantasy country made by a white man and owned by Disney.)

Heh, it really says a lot about Macron compared to Trump.

The Donald went to Iraq because he genuinely appreciated the sacrifices of serving men and women there.

Macron went to Chad to escape the Peasant's Revolt of his own making.
 
Heh, it really says a lot about Macron compared to Trump.

The Donald went to Iraq because he genuinely appreciated the sacrifices of serving men and women there.

Macron went to Chad to escape the Peasant's Revolt of his own making.

> going to Chad because you're the ultimate political virgin
 
The military should never be the last best hope of any civil society. The army is a tool of the state, not the state itself. Generals cannot run a the civilian government because they are too used to having their orders obeyed without question.

Europe is going to crash into this wall though. All the Armies in the western world are born and inculcated with the need to defend the national, sovereign interests of their state. The French and German armies will no more obey Brussels then the American Army will. Worse, the people who are willing to be soldiers in European Armies in "Current Year" are the last people the globalist and open borders elite would want to have in charge of heavy weapons. When I was with the the US Army in Europe, it was a major culture shock to see how the European governments treated their militaries when compared with how the American government did.

To put a fine point on it, the European governments fear their own armies. They undermine them at every turn. Up until recently the only exception was France and the UK, but even they have begun to undermine their own national defense forces. The most fucking hilarious part of the whole mess is at this point the country with the most competent Army, Navy and Air Force in unified combat capability on the European continent is SWEDEN. No lie.
 
As of yesterday, the protest movement has also encouraged imitators in Taiwan, who are wearing yellow vests to protest tax increases among other economic grievances, making this a transcontinental phenomenon.
 
The military should never be the last best hope of any civil society. The army is a tool of the state, not the state itself. Generals cannot run a the civilian government because they are too used to having their orders obeyed without question.

Europe is going to crash into this wall though. All the Armies in the western world are born and inculcated with the need to defend the national, sovereign interests of their state. The French and German armies will no more obey Brussels then the American Army will. Worse, the people who are willing to be soldiers in European Armies in "Current Year" are the last people the globalist and open borders elite would want to have in charge of heavy weapons. When I was with the the US Army in Europe, it was a major culture shock to see how the European governments treated their militaries when compared with how the American government did.

To put a fine point on it, the European governments fear their own armies. They undermine them at every turn. Up until recently the only exception was France and the UK, but even they have begun to undermine their own national defense forces. The most fucking hilarious part of the whole mess is at this point the country with the most competent Army, Navy and Air Force in unified combat capability on the European continent is SWEDEN. No lie.

Do remember, up until recently, for many of those living in Eastern European nations, including half of Germany, their own nations Armies were tools of oppression and agents at the obedience of a larger foreign power. And everybody knew what had happened in Hungary.
 
I should probably reiterate that when I predicted the army was going to turn on Macron and leave him to dry, I meant that they'd defy his orders, soldiers or officers which ever decide they want to speak to journalists, and not do anything. A coup is highly unlikely.

As of yesterday, the protest movement has also encouraged imitators in Taiwan, who are wearing yellow vests to protest tax increases among other economic grievances, making this a transcontinental phenomenon.
Everyone adopted many French things over the centuries: the Metric system, revolutions, beating the Germans up, strikes, and now, government protesting. Macron should be proud to be the catalyst for such a global movement.
 
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