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If anybody is looking for something good from the Disney canon, I would like to recommend the C-3PO comic, "The Phantom Limb".

Seriously, I really liked it. It might be my favorite Star Wars comic ever.
 
And apparently Shamus Young is going to do a long analysis of Last Jedi. Place your bets now on his favor or hatred of it.
https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=44485

Is that the guy who did the takedown of Skyrim's thieve's guild questline? I'm looking forward to this.

With all the bullshit I've seen in this thread about Dave Filoni, like his Mary Sue Ahsoka, time travel, and trashing Grievous and Thrawn, I'm amazed this guy doesn't get more criticism. Is it because he's not putting in fart fetish shit like Blacker and Acker or being a soysperg like Wendig?

I was a huge fan of the Tartakovsky series, so much more how it was my introduction to General Grievous. Grievous was one of my favorite Star Wars character, and Filoni's treatment of him is awful. However, I'm willing to give Filoni a pass for one reason I haven't seen mentioned yet in this thread.

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If anybody is looking for something good from the Disney canon, I would like to recommend the C-3PO comic, "The Phantom Limb".

Seriously, I really liked it. It might be my favorite Star Wars comic ever.
That was the one about him getting his red arm right (MGS V for Droids)? Out of all the shitty new Disney content, the only ones I've genuinely enjoyed have been the Rogue One prequel novel, the Lando episode from Rebels (probably the only cameo episode that didn't come off as forced for ratings), the first Thrawn disney book which was a tie-in to Rebels (it was okay, and it had a sequel called Alliances which was pretty weak... but some gushed over it because "ThrawnxVader team up OMG"), the short-lived Obi-Wan and Anakin comics which were fun and had great art and The Phantom Limb which treated C-3PO with far more respect than TFA give him. I often see the Vader comics get "grand applause" from many, even EU fans, but aside from the first 3 issues, the charm fades away rather quickly, especially after they bring in Aphra, and even after she leaves the series just feels awkward and hollow at times.

Sadly, the whole red arm thing really amounts to nothing in the long term, despite Phantom Limb being one of the few non-fartyshitty stories under Disney since the red arm thing is quickly forgotten about and 3PO just gets a new gold one in following media.
 
Filoni had to do a lot of work within the framework of the prequels which was hard.

You can say he ruined Grevious compared to how he was in the 2D show (where he was legit terrifying), but I'd argue that the General was already ruined by Revenge of the Sith and Filoni had to base him off of how he was portrayed in the film. And again, he had to work within the framework of the films and he could not have Grevious and Anakin interact with each other since they didn't meet face to face until the events of Revenge of the Sith, so that severely restricted what he could do with him.

As for Ashoka being a Mary Sue, I don't necessarily agree with that, though I can see how one can reach that conclusion based on how she was just inserted into the show despite no evidence of Anakin ever having a Padawan during this time. But I also think she was kind of necessary for the show to work because once she came on board, it was like "Okay, when and how does she die" and there was legitimate drama with her unlike all the OT characters who we know how they end up, and I actually quite like Ahsoka's development throughout the show from annoying kid sidekick to capable Jedi. And by the time you get to her confrontation with Vader in Rebels, I was fully invested.

As for other things Filoni did, he also gave us Cad Bane, the definitive version of Asaaj Ventress (not the Girl Maul version of the 2D show), and while the explanation for how Darth Maul survived is totally ridiculous, once you get passed that, the portrayal of Maul is actually really good. He also took piss poor aspects of the prequels (like Boba Fett being a 10 year old) and tried to make them work (like having 10 year old Boba try to get revenge on Mace Windu by hiding out on a clone training ship with other young recruits in training and planting bombs and shit all over the ship).

Filoni's show also presented Anakin in a way that was not insufferable. Again watch the 2D show and while the animation is great, I still want to punch Anakin right in the face. The 3D show at least got him to a point that was closer to how I envisioned Anakin, meaning he was capable, cocky, typically good natured, but also had a temper.

And hey I also liked the version of Thrawn we got in Rebels. Great voice, and had some great killer moments that captured the character I loved from Zahn's novels.


So yeah, I cut Filoni some slack.

That was the one about him getting his red arm right (MGS V for Droids)? Out of all the shitty new Disney content, the only ones I've genuinely enjoyed have been the Rogue One prequel novel, the Lando episode from Rebels (probably the only cameo episode that didn't come off as forced for ratings), the first Thrawn disney book which was a tie-in to Rebels (it was okay, and it had a sequel called Alliances which was pretty weak... but some gushed over it because "ThrawnxVader team up OMG"), the short-lived Obi-Wan and Anakin comics which were fun and had great art and The Phantom Limb which treated C-3PO with far more respect than TFA give him. I often see the Vader comics get "grand applause" from many, even EU fans, but aside from the first 3 issues, the charm fades away rather quickly, especially after they bring in Aphra, and even after she leaves the series just feels awkward and hollow at times.

Sadly, the whole red arm thing really amounts to nothing in the long term, despite Phantom Limb being one of the few non-fartyshitty stories under Disney since the red arm thing is quickly forgotten about and 3PO just gets a new gold one in following media.

Yes, that is the comic. To be honest, I was SUPER cynical about the red arm thing. Why does 3PO have a red arm? So Disney can sell new toys, duh! Can't sell toys of 3PO if he looks exactly the same as he did before, right? But at least they crafted a nice story around it that proved me wrong in the sense that I never thought 3PO could carry a story as a main character, but he did here and without mainstays like Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie, or his buddy R2 to lean on.

I agree about the Vader series. It starts off great and has some legitimately awesome material, but then sort of tapers off after awhile. It probably would have worked best as a 5 part miniseries. I kind of felt the same way about the main Star Wars book which started off killer, but then sort of meandered around and I stopped reading after issue 10 or so.

I like the Thrawn books Disney has released, mainly because it is just great to have Zahn writing him again. The Vader/Thrawn book was good mainly because the moments where Vader and Thrawn interact are great...I just wish the main story was something a bit more juicy.
 
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Apparently some new SW show is coming out?
https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-galaxy-of-adventures
https://twitter.com/Scott_Bromley/status/1067846289914621952

Looks like a slight remake of the OT in the form of shorts but for kids. Can't wait to see how Wookieepedia speds will try to fit this into their articles. Since everything now exists in one CanonTM, this means this shit is just as canon as the films themselves. Guess Disney's finally giving it that kid-friendly makeover they've been wanting to finally remove the more violent aspects of the OT. And before anyone goes "its for kids, its not meant to be canon", the new LEGO cartoons are also canon and characters from there have appeared in other new media.
 
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Apparently some new SW show is coming out?
https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-galaxy-of-adventures
https://twitter.com/Scott_Bromley/status/1067846289914621952

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_wsHRyLWgWgLooks like a slight remake of the OT in the form of shorts but for kids. Can't wait to see how Wookieepedia speds will try to fit this into their articles.

Maybe I'm just an old fart, but why does every piece of animation have to look like this now? Overly cartoony and not the least bit cool or bad ass. I mean this isn't Stephen Universe bad, but they look like plastic toys. Fuck, they look like rejects from Allen Gregory (for the 5 of you that remember that show).

Maybe its because I was spoiled growing up with Thundercats, Batman TAS, X-Men, and various animes, but can't heroes and action/adventure characters look, I don't know, AWESOME? Am I asking too much?
 
Yes, that is the comic. To be honest, I was SUPER cynical about the red arm thing. Why does 3PO have a red arm? So Disney can sell new toys, duh! Can't sell toys of 3PO if he looks exactly the same as he did before, right? But at least they crafted a nice story around it that proved me wrong in the sense that I never thought 3PO could carry a story as a main character, but he did here and without mainstays like Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie, or his buddy R2 to lean on.
I personally think the red arm was just a stupid toy gimmick and another one of JJ's mystery box ideas, but the guy who made the comic clearly wanted it to mean more and put a lot of thought and work into it, and expanding on the little things while delivering on some real development is something I enjoy. I admit, I'd rather watch a movie about the Phantom Limb over TFA. Heck, remove the connections to TFA and the whole comic is a great story works as stand-alone or that fits well even in the OT era after ROTJ.
You can say he ruined Grevious compared to how he was in the 2D show (where he was legit terrifying), but I'd argue that the General was already ruined by Revenge of the Sith and Filoni had to base him off of how he was portrayed in the film. And again, he had to work within the framework of the films and he could not have Grevious and Anakin interact with each other since they didn't meet face to face until the events of Revenge of the Sith, so that severely restricted what he could do with him.
Filoni's show also presented Anakin in a way that was not insufferable. Again watch the 2D show and while the animation is great, I still want to punch Anakin right in the face. The 3D show at least got him to a point that was closer to how I envisioned Anakin, meaning he was capable, cocky, typically good natured, but also had a temper.
This is primarily why I can't stand his Grievous. Filoni was able to make an Anakin that's far more developed and distant from his characterizations in II and III to the point where he feels like a completely different character, yet Grievous had to be restricted to III? Even Genndy knew how to handle that better. In his first season of shorts, Grievous was a monstrous badass but in the second season Grievous is still a badass until he ends up getting his organs force fucked by Mace Windu, thus resulting in his infamous cough and weakened abilities. Filoni could've at least remade said scene or have Grieovous be cool in the first few seasons then make him pathetic in the following seasons which take place after a timeskip where even Ahsoka is older. If Anakin didn't have to be faithful to his characterizations in the film (to the point where he had a previously never before mentioned apprentice), then surely Grievous could've also been made an exception in some way.

As for Ashoka being a Mary Sue, I don't necessarily agree with that, though I can see how one can reach that conclusion based on how she was just inserted into the show despite no evidence of Anakin ever having a Padawan during this time. But I also think she was kind of necessary for the show to work because once she came on board, it was like "Okay, when and how does she die" and there was legitimate drama with her unlike all the OT characters who we know how they end up, and I actually quite like Ahsoka's development throughout the show from annoying kid sidekick to capable Jedi. And by the time you get to her confrontation with Vader in Rebels, I was fully invested.
I don't see the connection. Ahsoka is obviously not a Mary Sue. Closest thing to such a description was only in the first season and only in the Malevolence 3 parter, aside from that, the character is actually imperfect and has her ups and downs, her limits, her fears, insecurities, etc. So she's not a Mary Sue, far from it outside of season 1, however she is a writer's pet. Filoni in interviews has regularly said how much he adores her and wants to keep her safe from all the dangers of the world, so you know he's never gonna let any permanent harm come to her, even as far back as season 1 of Filoni Wars, he said she would survive the jedi purge. Its the same feeling you get with Kenobi and Anaki, since you know they'll survive, but with Ahsoka, she's a character who just suddenly appears and is never hinted at in III or anything, so you think she will die and create some grand emotional episode that will have a great impact on Anakin or at least be a survivor of the massacre only to die later on, which would make more sense in the long term, however as Filoni's interviews carried on, he made it more and more clear that she would never be allowed to die or suffer in any way. Rebels for example would've done a great job by making her death against Vader have a grand emotional impact on the characters and their motivation to fight for freedom, as well as creating even more internal conflict for Vader, instead she just gets cheaply brought back because as Filoni has said many times, that he likes her too much and wants her to forever be an important part of SW events.

As for other things Filoni did, he also gave us Cad Bane, the definitive version of Asaaj Ventress (not the Girl Maul version of the 2D show), and while the explanation for how Darth Maul survived is totally ridiculous, once you get passed that, the portrayal of Maul is actually really good. He also took piss poor aspects of the prequels (like Boba Fett being a 10 year old) and tried to make them work (like having 10 year old Boba try to get revenge on Mace Windu by hiding out on a clone training ship with other young recruits in training and planting bombs and shit all over the ship).
Oh no, Cad Bane was a fantastic character. As for Asajj, I can't really give him too much credit for that one since almost everything about her in his Clone Wars comes from her Dark Horse comic series, right down to her background, but he did do a good job adapting that stuff to TV. Although the witch stuff was unneeded, as I honestly would've preferred her to have quickly go into bounty hunting after running out on Dooku instead of the witch stuff, only for us to get the redeemed bounty hunter stint after that, but the witch stuff did give us her flashbacks with her master which honestly would've worked far better as their own episodes instead of short clips to make more time for the witch stuff. The Boba Fett stuff was definitely an improvement and more closer to what people knew about Boba from books and comics before the prequels came along. Showing he was an earnest little badass. According to commentary concerning the Boba episodes, Boba and his partners were all given more attention and expansion because Boba was gonna be the star of the cancelled 1313 game, and most of the stuff in his episodes was set up for that. Also, George Lucas originally planned to have a young Boba be the one to deal the finishing blow to Mace Windu in III, but realized Boba would be too young (why even make him 10 in the first place...?). Would've been nice to see Filoni make an episode revealing that Windu survived his fall severely crippled only for a stalker Boba to appear and shoot him down. As for his Filoni's Thrawn, it was kinda next to impossible for Filoni to get it wrong since Zahn himself was helping Filoni in his conception for Rebels.

Edit: Also, as odd as it was, I liked that final season episode where Jar Jar and Windu teamed up since their contrasting personalities and attitudes played well off each other and it also brought back the implication that Jar Jar was far more deeper than he let on much like in the Shakespearean adaptation of The Phantom Menace and the EU books by Ryder Windham (and the old rumors about Jar Jar being a sith/force sensitive).
I agree about the Vader series. It starts off great and has some legitimately awesome material, but then sort of tapers off after awhile. It probably would have worked best as a 5 part miniseries. I kind of felt the same way about the main Star Wars book which started off killer, but then sort of meandered around and I stopped reading after issue 10 or so.
Oh absolutely. If the series had been a 5 parter like the Kenobi and Anakin comics, it might've become a well beloved classic on par with the best of Dark Horse material. Too bad they had to keep mil-king that comic after realizing their other SW comics weren't as liked or popular.
 
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I'm still going with the dumb idea that Kennedy and JJ intended Rey to be the Force incarnate (hence the force is female shit), but all this talk of Leia cheating on Han now makes me suspect that a plot line involving Rey being a fatherless birth (much like Anakin) born to Leia is now a very real possibility if not for the fact that spoilers, books, comics and those scenes in TFA and TLJ seem to imply that Rey's parents were nobodies and possibly drunks that she may or may have not killed depending on what you've heard. Would be a better reason for Han and Leia breaking up than the official one ("Oh, no they just drifted apart! How sad!").
Rate me painfully optimistic but I don't see why we should assume Kylo was telling the truth, Sith (or whatever Disney say he might be) do have a precedent for being liars
 
I found a Dark Horse era SW comic from the early 00s, I've never seen before, which told the story of Vader's crash landing from the Death Star (in film 1) and how he made his way back to civilisation, (replaced in new Canon with Vader Down). I liked it because it showed a more subtle Vader. He leaves his crashed TIE to be faced with a crowd of native aliens, and he realises he is outnumbered, turns his saber off and wins their respect. As opposed to Force Unleashed or Rogue One Vader who would have gone beast mode.
 
As opposed to Force Unleashed or Rogue One Vader who would have gone beast mode.

Vader's power level is inconsistent in the series. Watch Vader boarding the Rebel Blockade Runner in Rogue One and compare it to his entrance in A New Hope and it makes no sense at all. Apparently he raced ahead into fire, slaughtering Rebel Scum by the truckload, then stopped, let his troops catch up, and followed on their heels once the breech was made. He's always been dangerous, now he's super-powered.
 
What if Rey was actually the daughter of Leia and Luke? It would be totally up Kennedy's alley to piss on everything that fans love from SW and it would have actually made sense for Luke to be a hermit, ashamed of himself. And it would explain why Leia inexplicably starts to bond with Rey for no fucking reason.

Given that Luke & Leia supposedly had an attraction to each other in the now-Legends novel Splinter of the Mind's Eye, a love child resulting from that attraction wouldn't be completely implausible. However, it can't be Rey; Wookiepedia lists her canon birth year as 15 ABY with the source being some visual dictionary about TFA.

Given Disney cancelled the CGI Clone Wars show for its war violence, I can't see them wanting to canonize an incestuous relationship simply because of the backlash it would cause if it's still trying to promote itself as offering familiy-friendly entertainment. Then again, I've read earlier in this thread that nuWars has at least one character with SJW-type pronouns, so maybe all bets are off at this point. :\

Wait... they're going to do it, aren't they? Rather than remake the old trilogy, Disney is just going to do a "super special awesome" edition of it aren't they? And take the opportunity to retcon everything they want...

It wouldn't surprise me. That was my point with the bizarre time travel comment (sorry if that frazzled your logic circuits, @Flexo). Disney could theoretically use it to retcon anything and promote whatever narrative it wants because time travel and its side effects are now canon... unless someone time travels to eliminate time travel, but that would be too :autism: for even Disney, methinks.

being polygamous now. That's all Legends now. I guess he technically might still have gotten married, but there's nothing in canon saying he did. And Mundi being kind of stickler for rules I can't imagine he'd do something like this without approval.

That's the problem with how Disney just up and demoted everything EU to that point to Legends status; stuff that wasn't shown on screen or in other remaining canon works neither exists nor is held as true - creating inconsistencies and even eliminating canon characters' background/biographical information. You're right that Ki-Adi was a staunch Jedi that wouldn't marry without permission due to his home world's circumstances, but with the EU purge, Disney's pretty much dismissed that information as if it was fake news.

And again, he had to work within the framework of the films and he could not have Grevious and Anakin interact with each other since they didn't meet face to face until the events of Revenge of the Sith, so that severely restricted what he could do with him.

I believe that Anakin and Grievous did cross paths at least once in Filoni's Clone Wars where the Gungans somehow capture Grievous - leading Dooku to ambush and capture Anakin so the former can contact Padme to demand a prisoner swap where Anakin and Grievous see each other in passing. However, I'll concede your point with one very glaring exception:

In Episode III, Anakin says something like, "My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count," to Dooku. Given how often the pair dueled in Clone Wars, Filoni either didn't know about this line or didn't care that his frequent duels between Anakin and Dooku changed that line from a foreshadowing one to a pointless one. With this in mind, I can't completely accept that Dave Filoni always worked within the framework of the films.

Apparently some new SW show is coming out?

I saw an ad or some blurb about it on social media earlier today. Forgive me for having zero interest in it.
 
Vader's power level is inconsistent in the series. Watch Vader boarding the Rebel Blockade Runner in Rogue One and compare it to his entrance in A New Hope and it makes no sense at all. Apparently he raced ahead into fire, slaughtering Rebel Scum by the truckload, then stopped, let his troops catch up, and followed on their heels once the breech was made. He's always been dangerous, now he's super-powered.
Maybe he was tired from all the previous slaughter.
 
Maybe I'm just an old fart, but why does every piece of animation have to look like this now? Overly cartoony and not the least bit cool or bad ass. I mean this isn't Stephen Universe bad, but they look like plastic toys. Fuck, they look like rejects from Allen Gregory (for the 5 of you that remember that show).

Maybe its because I was spoiled growing up with Thundercats, Batman TAS, X-Men, and various animes, but can't heroes and action/adventure characters look, I don't know, AWESOME? Am I asking too much?
It looks objectively worse than the original Space Battleship Yamato animation from 1974, but they cover up the awfulness with automated light SFX, and the digital ability to pan or zoom across individual layers with zero effort. If the "camera" or layers keep moving nonstop, maybe nobody will notice that the drawings look like some shit that wouldn't even get views on Deviantart.
 
Would be a better reason for Han and Leia breaking up than the official one ("Oh, no they just drifted apart! How sad!").
Leia can't be the one to cause the break-up, though. That would be misogynistic, so it has to be Han who's to blame.

Apparently some new SW show is coming out?
https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-galaxy-of-adventures
https://twitter.com/Scott_Bromley/status/1067846289914621952

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_wsHRyLWgWgLooks like a slight remake of the OT in the form of shorts but for kids. Can't wait to see how Wookieepedia speds will try to fit this into their articles. Since everything now exists in one CanonTM, this means this shit is just as canon as the films themselves. Guess Disney's finally giving it that kid-friendly makeover they've been wanting to finally remove the more violent aspects of the OT. And before anyone goes "its for kids, its not meant to be canon", the new LEGO cartoons are also canon and characters from there have appeared in other new media.
If this was a fan-made animation, I would call it pretty neat.But it isn't.
This is some new attempt to throw shit at the wall, hoping something will eventually stick and regain the fan's confidence in the brand.

Maybe he was tired from all the previous slaughter.
Well, bionic arm protheses can get really sore after using them to swing at mooks all day.

It looks objectively worse than the original Space Battleship Yamato animation from 1974, but they cover up the awfulness with automated light SFX, and the digital ability to pan or zoom across individual layers with zero effort. If the "camera" or layers keep moving nonstop, maybe nobody will notice that the drawings look like some shit that wouldn't even get views on Deviantart.
It's going to be free shorts on Youtube, clearly we can't expect quality animation from Disney under such circumstances :story:
 
Given Disney cancelled the CGI Cloneshow for its war violence, I can't see them wanting to canonize an incestuous relationship simply because of the backlash it would cause if it's still trying to promote itself as offering familiy-friendly entertainment. Then again, I've read earlier in this thread that nuWars has at least one character with SJW-type pronouns, so maybe all bets are off at this point.

SJWs hate incest for some reason (not transgressive enough), but give it another few decades when Disney reboots Star Wars.
 
This is primarily why I can't stand his Grievous. Filoni was able to make an Anakin that's far more developed and distant from his characterizations in II and III to the point where he feels like a completely different character, yet Grievous had to be restricted to III?

That's fair. Why can he change Anakin but not Grevious? The best answer I can give is that if I was put in charge of the show, fixing Anakin would have been my top priority and with that, it would be easy to lose sight of Grevious.

I don't see the connection. Ahsoka is obviously not a Mary Sue. Closest thing to such a description was only in the first season and only in the Malevolence 3 parter, aside from that, the character is actually imperfect and has her ups and downs, her limits, her fears, insecurities, etc. So she's not a Mary Sue, far from it outside of season 1, however she is a writer's pet. Filoni in interviews has regularly said how much he adores her and wants to keep her safe from all the dangers of the world, so you know he's never gonna let any permanent harm come to her, even as far back as season 1 of Filoni Wars, he said she would survive the jedi purge.

Calling her a writer's pet is fairly accurate. I can understand Filoni getting attached to her because, well gosh, she's his biggest contribution to Star Wars. BUT, saying that he'll never kill her off kind of restricts what you can do with her. Why didn't they kill her off in Rebels? That would have been perfect. Sad and a huge shot to the gut, but perfect in getting that emotional response.

I remember Bruce Timm saying something similar about Batman Beyond in that "I will never kill off Bruce Wayne". Well...doesn't Terry have to take the full mantle of Batman at some point? Wouldn't it make sense to eventually evolve the story to where Terry has to be Batman without Bruce? I love Bruce Wayne as much as the next guy, but to me this set up needed to eventually go in that direction and Timm let his love of the character blind him to that.

As for his Filoni's Thrawn, it was kinda next to impossible for Filoni to get it wrong since Zahn himself was helping Filoni in his conception for Rebels.

Hey if you want it done right, go to the guy that knows the character best. And the voice was pretty darn good. I always envisioned Thrawn having a Christopher Lee style voice, but what they went with worked very well.
 
I remember Bruce Timm saying something similar about Batman Beyond in that "I will never kill off Bruce Wayne". Well...doesn't Terry have to take the full mantle of Batman at some point? Wouldn't it make sense to eventually evolve the story to where Terry has to be Batman without Bruce? I love Bruce Wayne as much as the next guy, but to me this set up needed to eventually go in that direction and Timm let his love of the character blind him to that.
:offtopic: Tell me about it. When I first started watching Batman Beyond I always half expected there would be a major arc where Bruce's life is at stake and Terry finally has to come to terms with the loss of his new father figure. The death of his original father spurred him into heroism, but the death of Bruce would have likely brought about even more development for Terry and force him into wanting to become a true symbol of the Batman that inspires others rather than just being Terry McGinnis running around in the batsuit, instead becoming an adult in the process. I'm not saying I don't like Terry McGinnis running around in a batsuit as punk teen Batman but a story like that would have really been great as a series finale. I'm not disappointed with what we got but Bruce really deserved to go out epically or tragically rather than be forced to stick around on pills and become an angry old man because Timm was too attached to the guy and didn't have the heart to deal the finishing blow.
 
So how destructive and ebig do you guys think the final fight between Rey and the True Final Villain X (whether he be Kylo Ren, Emperor Palpatine's ghost, Darth Vader's spirit, or a completely unrelated Force entity) will be?
"super strong noble gay cyborg who loves justice and can fight gods"
Nigga what?
It's moments like these where I wish that Hollywood would burn down and start from scratch.
It should regardless.
 
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