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https://youtube.com/watch?v=r9g0mk2vt90Okay... So apparently Padme may be in IX because Kylo wants to revive her to please his grandfather which is why the new Vader comic has such a fixation with this... I guess they really did mean it when they really wanted to overdo it on the nostalgia factor by forcing in as many cameos as possible. My Gosh. Just when I think this film can't be a bigger shitshow, something comes up that tries to prove me wrong. Hindenburg launch, here I come!
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Plagiarism and nostalgia is all it is and all it can offer apparently.

Jesus Christ on a creamsicle. Palpatine AND Padme rumored in? They've gone batshit bonkers if they think that makes for a solid final installment.

It's moments like these where I wish that Hollywood would burn down and start from scratch.
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=r9g0mk2vt90Okay... So apparently Padme may be in IX because Kylo wants to revive her to please his grandfather which is why the new Vader comic has such a fixation with this... I guess they really did mean it when they really wanted to overdo it on the nostalgia factor by forcing in as many cameos as possible. My Gosh. Just when I think this film can't be a bigger shitshow, something comes up that tries to prove me wrong. Hindenburg launch, here I come!
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Plagiarism and nostalgia is all it is and all it can offer apparently.
I should've said as plagiaristic, it still would've been a soulless husk wearing the skin of ANH but it would've been more palatable than the asspull of 'oh, we already know the weakness of Starkiller Base and we conveniently have this janitor who knows exactly where it is'. I do disagree with the OP saying the scale of it would've logically made the Resistance bigger and not just a Rebellion rip-off since it's not like Starkiller Base or anything about the First Order make any logical sense anyway.

Jesus Christ on a creamsicle. Palpatine AND Padme rumored in? They've gone batshit bonkers if they think that makes for a solid final installment.

It's moments like these where I wish that Hollywood would burn down and start from scratch.
At least it might trigger the Rian Johnson nuthuggers who think IX is blatantly pandering to nostalgiafags (which it would be) and doing away with the 'subversive' 'originality' of TLJ.
 
I do disagree with the OP saying the scale of it would've logically made the Resistance bigger and not just a Rebellion rip-off since it's not like Starkiller Base or anything about the First Order make any logical sense anyway.
The guy tends to not be very logical himself when he tries too hard to defend Disney media. He just showed up one day when TFA/Disney Wars was at its peak pre-release hype and became one of their bigger supporters and mouthpieces on youtube while going through every logical loop to defend them even over obviously dumb shit. EckhartLadder's like the MundaneMatt of SW youtubers, always trying to pretend he's neutral but clearly has a side he supports "Like guys I don't want to take any sides here, but yeah even I can see these people who don't like Disney/TLJ/etc are really fucked up for disagreeing or doing problematic things" or "Yes, I realize Disney isn't perfect, but here's why you're wrong and why they're doing just as good a job as George and why Kennedy is no more 'political' than George". His informative content isn't even that good as there are dozens of other SW youtube autists who cover the same things with more detail and info. I heard Star Wars Explained is pretty similar but all I know about him is his odd Wookieepedia deal where he is basically now part of all their articles and that he got into fight with Star Wars Theory and some other youtuber.
 
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The guy tends to not be very logical himself in trying to defend Disney media regardless of their flaws to the point of trying to duke it out with fans who didn't like TLJ. He just showed up one day when TFA/Disney Wars was at its peak pre-release hype and became one of their bigger supporters and mouthpieces on youtube while going through every logical loop to defend them even over obviously dumb shit. EckhartLadder's like the MundaneMatt of SW youtubers, always trying to pretend he's neutral but clearly has a side he supports "Like guys I don't want to take any sides here, but yeah even I can see these people who don't like Disney/TLJ/etc are really fucked up for disagreeing or doing problematic things" or "Yes, I realize Disney isn't perfect, but here's why you're wrong and why they're doing just as good a job as George and why Kennedy is no more 'political' than George". His informative content isn't even that good as there are dozens of other SW youtube autists who cover the same things with more detail and info. I heard Star Wars Explained is pretty similar but all I know about him is his odd Wookieepedia deal where he is basically now part of all their articles and that he got into fight with Star Wars Theory and some other youtuber.
I got into watching him on occasion to learn about neat obscure little bits about the EU and wasn't really aware of other youtubers who do the same thing other than blatant shills like Star Wars Explained. His dancing around the obvious issues with Disney Wars is getting more and more annoying though so I'm open to other :autism: EU youtuber recommendations.
 
I got into watching him on occasion to learn about neat obscure little bits about the EU and wasn't really aware of other youtubers who do the same thing other than blatant shills like Star Wars Explained. His dancing around the obvious issues with Disney Wars is getting more and more annoying though so I'm open to other EU youtuber recommendations.
I know some, but the amount of detail and info can get pretty exceptional depending on what you're looking for.
There's Star Wars Theory who does both info videos and theory videos (mostly what-if scenarios) who is actually neutral in that while he likes both Disney (mostly the Vader comics) and pre-Disney stuff, he knows when to criticize Disney without coming off as salty about it. Not my favorite but most I know seem to like him and he's pretty popular especially after he got into a spat with SW Explained and announced a Vader fan film.

The Lore Master is very informative and covers both Disney/Canon and EU/Legends stuff, but he's pretty irregular with updates.

Inside Star Wars and The Scoundrel's Cantina are also pretty good and update more regularly. Inside has a bit of a strong accent though.

There's also Lore Guy who covers Star Wars and occasionally Lord of the Rings.
 
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Jesus Christ on a creamsicle. Palpatine AND Padme rumored in? They've gone batshit bonkers if they think that makes for a solid final installment.
Why all the reintroduction of prequel characters? I thought the Disney beancounters didn't want anything in the new products to even have the merest possibility of reminding consumers about the prequels.

This makes no sense:
  • Kill off the existing characters from the previous films to make room for lackadaisical new characters and to further Kylo's in-film statement to let go of the past.
  • If rumors are true, bring back long-dead characters for the most :autism:, head-scratching reasons.
If I didn't know better, I'd think Disney was actively trying to make Episode IX the biggest possible dumpster fire, or trying to produce the biggest tryhard troll film known to humanity. (:_(
 
So is the following the biggest act of lore-breaking hackery in Woke Wars: In the comics Vader has done the impossible that was being toward, he has broken the veil between life and Death and that's not a jokeand turns out all along Palpatine knew what he was up to and helping him

https://youtube.com/watch?v=RJCyeJddGwIUnsurprisingly TFA missed another opportunity to not be shameless plagiarism of ANH.
Reminds me the Death Star II in that both were incomplete

Jesus Christ on a creamsicle. Palpatine AND Padme rumored in? They've gone batshit bonkers if they think that makes for a solid final installment.

It's moments like these where I wish that Hollywood would burn down and start from scratch.
And Vader and Luke
 
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*reads all this news*

Screw it, I'm going to take the money I was going to spend on a SW tickets and use it to back some of these space opera books.

I should've said as plagiaristic, it still would've been a soulless husk wearing the skin of ANH but it would've been more palatable than the asspull of 'oh, we already know the weakness of Starkiller Base and we conveniently have this janitor who knows exactly where it is'. I do disagree with the OP saying the scale of it would've logically made the Resistance bigger and not just a Rebellion rip-off since it's not like Starkiller Base or anything about the First Order make any logical sense anyway.

You know on reflection, if JJ & Disney were smarter, they would have made Starkiller base THE macGuffin for the entire trilogy. The original Star Wars at least had the excuse that they never knew it would be a trilogy.

So is the following the biggest act of lore-breaking hackery in Woke Wars: In the comics Vader has done the impossible that was being toward, he has broken the veil between life and Death and that's not a jokeand turns out all along Palpatine knew what he was up to and helping him

Da faq? Citation plz. Oh I don't doubt you, I just HAVE to see this for myself. (And I thought Rei downloading force moves from Kylo was the height of lore lulz - at least Skippy the Jedi Droid was an intentional joke.)
 
*reads all this news*

Screw it, I'm going to take the money I was going to spend on a SW tickets and use it to back some of these space opera books.



You know on reflection, if JJ & Disney were smarter, they would have made Starkiller base THE macGuffin for the entire trilogy. The original Star Wars at least had the excuse that they never knew it would be a trilogy.



Da faq? Citation plz. Oh I don't doubt you, I just HAVE to see this for myself. (And I thought Rei downloading force moves from Kylo was the height of lore lulz - at least Skippy the Jedi Droid was an intentional joke.)
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Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald is the franchise’s Attack of the Clones when it should be The Last Jedi
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The quote I wish I'd made:

... So instead of just being a disappointing film with bad acting, it should have been a horrendous abortion that kills the entire franchise?


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Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald is the franchise’s Attack of the Clones when it should be The Last Jedi
CHAIM GARTENBERG NOVEMBER 27, 2018
Significant spoilers ahead for Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald.

2016’s Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them had its issues: two years ago, I wrote that the first film in the Fantastic Beasts franchise was the Phantom Menace of Harry Potter films, with the same childish, pandering humor and inability to choose a tone. It seems like the people behind the series’s second film, Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald, learned that lesson. But Crimes is still stuck in the same mold as its predecessor. It’s the Attack of the Clones of the Potter world when it needs to be The Last Jedi.

The surface similarities between the two middle movies’ plots practically write themselves: both films are older, darker second installments in a prequel series where the opening salvo was derided as too kid-centric. Both Crimes and Clones begin with a rainy, airborne chase sequence, and then we watch the main character (Obi-Wan Kenobi in Clones, Newt Scamander in Crimes) spend a disproportionate chunk of the movie on an investigative mission to uncover an ultimately meaningless secret (except for the people who were rocked to their cores by the histories of the Lestrange family and Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas.)

After that, all of the characters get together in an arena, there’s a fight, the heroes and the main villain both narrowly escape, and the stage is ominously set for the real war that’s to come in future films. Much like Attack of the Clones, whose titular clone battles are oddly absent from the actual film, The Crimes of Grindelwald promises a wizarding war but fails to deliver one. It rearranges the metaphorical silverware rather than diving into the main meat of the story.

But there are bigger thematic parallels between Attack of the Clones and The Crimes of Grindelwald that reveal the larger problems with the new Potter films as a whole — mainly seeing J.K. Rowling (who wrote the screenplay for both Beasts films) follow Star Wars creator George Lucas in his mistakes with his own prequel series. Much like Lucas with the prequel trilogy, the latest Fantastic Beasts films are an earlier story that the creator of the franchise claims represents their original intent for their franchise, even as it retroactively resets whole chunks of that franchise.

So the audience gets fan service-y scenes, like McGonagall’s timeline-breaking cameo in Crimes or the nonsensical appearance of the Death Star plans in Attack of the Clones decades before the Empire existed. Both nods are present so existing fans can recognize them and shout, “Hey, I know and like that thing,” even at the expense of the present story. Some of these bizarre new twists recontextualize the original work, like C-3P0 being Anakin’s creation or Nagini being a shape-shifting human before she becomes Voldemort’s familiar. Other plotlines just don’t make sense, like Anakin being a messianic virgin birth destined to save the galaxy or Credence’s secret heritage being tied up with that of the Dumbledore family, timeline be damned.

It’s easy to understand how we got here: Rowling and Lucas are creators who built universes that people love, and they earned carte blanche control over new stories set in their worlds, no matter how illogical the outcome may be. It’s no coincidence that the Fantastic Beasts movies are the first Harry Potter stories written by Rowling since the original books, just like the Star Wars prequels were Lucas’ return to his saga as sole story creator for the first time since the original film. After all, who would sit in a room with George Lucas and tell him his vision of Star Wars is bad? Who would dare tell J.K. Rowling that her timeline is off? Star Wars and Harry Potter are seemingly unstoppable forces of pop culture. But the Lucas-helmed prequels are proof that lightning doesn’t always strike twice, and it’s possible to lose sight of what people loved about your original work to the point that it takes a $4 billion Disney-backed reset to get back on track.

Add to that the general tiredness that both Clones and Crimes elicit. Both movies are middle installments in prequel series, building toward a big battle between two best friends who grew to hate each other, and the audience is already aware of how those battles turn out. Those final fights may be thrilling, but they’re hollow. Albus Dumbledore’s past victories are not the most interesting thing about him, and Darth Vader falling in a lava pit doesn’t shed any new light on science fiction’s most famous villain. If anything, learning the stories behind these characters only robs them of their mystique. Harry Potter fans have it even worse: Attack of the Clones viewers only had one more movie before they got to the big finale. Crimes of Grindelwald viewers have three more to slog through, covering 17 years of history, before the final battle.

That’s where The Last Jedi comes in. Much like The Crimes of Grindelwald, The Last Jedi was controversial among the fan base, but for very different reasons. The issues with Crimes come from Rowling’s desire to appeal to fans by referencing the previous Potter films at the expense of continuity and plot. The Last Jedi riled up some sectors of the Star Wars fandom, but at least it did so while trying something different, instead of just clinging to and repeating the past glories of the franchise. Whatever your feelings are on it breaking the Star Wars mold, the end result was a Star Wars movie unlike any we had seen before that set the stage for a future of the franchise where it feels like anything could happen.

Crimes, on the other hand, is stuck in the same mindset as Star Wars prequels. Just like Lucas’ films, which frame Anakin Skywalker and his progeny as the literal Chosen Ones, the single most important people in the galaxy, Crimes of Grindelwald falls into the exceptionalism trap.

There’s that same desperation to force connections where none were necessary, to make the world smaller by creating new characters, then shoehorning them into the previously existing lore. Percival Graves, the villain from the first Fantastic Beasts? He’s actually the famous dark wizard Grindelwald. That mysterious woman in the carnival? She’s Lord Voldemort’s pet snake! Credence, the lost, abandoned boy? He’s the long-lost secret brother of Albus Dumbledore. Even Grindelwald’s mission statement in his grand speech feels like a callback to Star Wars’ maligned midichlorians: “Magic blooms only in rare souls,” he intones, as he implies that only a special chosen few who are willing to commit genocide can… save the world from World War II. (This is an actual plot point.)

The Last Jedi tried to course-correct that trend with heroes like Finn, a generic stormtrooper-turned-hero, and Rey, whose parents turn out to be “filthy junk traders who sold her off for drinking money.” Kylo Ren taunts Rey by saying, “You have no place in this story. You come from nothing.” But Rey proves him wrong by going head-to-head with a Skywalker scion and showing she’s a key part of the still-unfolding tale. It’s a lovely idea, after years of an ever-narrowing Star Wars lens, where the all-powerful Jedi Knights had to be born into the right family if they wanted to save the galaxy. The Last Jedi went back to heroes who could come from anywhere and start as anything: a garbage-trader, a random soldier, even a slave-boy with a broom. Is Snoke a clone of the Emperor? Is he Darth Plagieus? “Who cares?” The Last Jedi practically shouts. “It’s time for something new.”

Rowling’s Wizarding World could similarly stand to take a few steps back from padding out the same central story and instead explore something entirely new. There’s a reason that world is so beloved and why fans have clamored for more of it over the years. Fans fell in love with the relatable characters and magical setting that Rowling created, and to this day, they want to continue to explore it in new ways. The Fantastic Beasts movies are raking in hundreds of millions of dollars, so there’s every reason to believe that plenty more Potterverse projects will join them in the pipeline. We’re not likely to leave this magical world behind anytime soon.

But the world is bigger than Rowling is allowing it to be. Hopefully, future installments will learn the lessons of The Last Jedi and start to reflect that by taking some risks, leaving this familiar storyline behind, killing some sacred cows, and trying something new. To quote some advice from The Last Jedi, it’s time to “let the past die. Kill it if you have to.” Otherwise, we may all end up stuck watching the revenge of Revenge of the Sith in two years’ time, when the next Fantastic Beasts rolls into theaters.

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Significant spoilers ahead for Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald.

2016’s Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them had its issues: two years ago, I wrote that the first film in the Fantastic Beasts franchise was the Phantom Menace of Harry Potter films, with the same childish, pandering humor and inability to choose a tone. It seems like the people behind the series’s second film, Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald, learned that lesson. But Crimes is still stuck in the same mold as its predecessor. It’s the Attack of the Clones of the Potter world when it needs to be The Last Jedi.

The surface similarities between the two middle movies’ plots practically write themselves: both films are older, darker second installments in a prequel series where the opening salvo was derided as too kid-centric. Both Crimes and Clones begin with a rainy, airborne chase sequence, and then we watch the main character (Obi-Wan Kenobi in Clones, Newt Scamander in Crimes) spend a disproportionate chunk of the movie on an investigative mission to uncover an ultimately meaningless secret (except for the people who were rocked to their cores by the histories of the Lestrange family and Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas.)

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After that, all of the characters get together in an arena, there’s a fight, the heroes and the main villain both narrowly escape, and the stage is ominously set for the real war that’s to come in future films. Much like Attack of the Clones, whose titular clone battles are oddly absent from the actual film, The Crimes of Grindelwald promises a wizarding war but fails to deliver one. It rearranges the metaphorical silverware rather than diving into the main meat of the story.

But there are bigger thematic parallels between Attack of the Clones and The Crimes of Grindelwald that reveal the larger problems with the new Potterfilms as a whole — mainly seeing J.K. Rowling (who wrote the screenplay for both Beasts films) follow Star Wars creator George Lucas in his mistakes with his own prequel series. Much like Lucas with the prequel trilogy, the latest Fantastic Beasts films are an earlier story that the creator of the franchise claims represents their original intent for their franchise, even as it retroactively resets whole chunks of that franchise.

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So the audience gets fan service-y scenes, like McGonagall’s timeline-breaking cameo in Crimes or the nonsensical appearance of the Death Star plans in Attack of the Clones decades before the Empire existed. Both nods are present so existing fans can recognize them and shout, “Hey, I know and like that thing,” even at the expense of the present story. Some of these bizarre new twists recontextualize the original work, like C-3P0 being Anakin’s creation or Nagini being a shape-shifting human before she becomes Voldemort’s familiar. Other plotlines just don’t make sense, like Anakin being a messianic virgin birth destined to save the galaxy or Credence’s secret heritage being tied up with that of the Dumbledore family, timeline be damned.

It’s easy to understand how we got here: Rowling and Lucas are creators who built universes that people love, and they earned carte blanche control over new stories set in their worlds, no matter how illogical the outcome may be. It’s no coincidence that the Fantastic Beasts movies are the first Harry Potterstories written by Rowling since the original books, just like the Star Warsprequels were Lucas’ return to his saga as sole story creator for the first time since the original film. After all, who would sit in a room with George Lucas and tell him his vision of Star Wars is bad? Who would dare tell J.K. Rowling that her timeline is off? Star Wars and Harry Potter are seemingly unstoppable forces of pop culture. But the Lucas-helmed prequels are proof that lightning doesn’t always strike twice, and it’s possible to lose sight of what people loved about your original work to the point that it takes a $4 billion Disney-backed reset to get back on track.

Add to that the general tiredness that both Clones and Crimes elicit. Both movies are middle installments in prequel series, building toward a big battle between two best friends who grew to hate each other, and the audience is already aware of how those battles turn out. Those final fights may be thrilling, but they’re hollow. Albus Dumbledore’s past victories are not the most interesting thing about him, and Darth Vader falling in a lava pit doesn’t shed any new light on science fiction’s most famous villain. If anything, learning the stories behind these characters only robs them of their mystique. Harry Potter fans have it even worse: Attack of the Clonesviewers only had one more movie before they got to the big finale. Crimes of Grindelwald viewers have three more to slog through, covering 17 years of history, before the final battle.

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That’s where The Last Jedi comes in. Much like The Crimes of Grindelwald, The Last Jedi was controversial among the fan base, but for very different reasons. The issues with Crimes come from Rowling’s desire to appeal to fans by referencing the previous Potter films at the expense of continuity and plot. The Last Jedi riled up some sectors of the Star Wars fandom, but at least it did so while trying something different, instead of just clinging to and repeating the past glories of the franchise. Whatever your feelings are on it breaking the Star Wars mold, the end result was a Star Wars movie unlike any we had seen before that set the stage for a future of the franchise where it feels like anything could happen.

Crimes, on the other hand, is stuck in the same mindset as Star Warsprequels. Just like Lucas’ films, which frame Anakin Skywalker and his progeny as the literal Chosen Ones, the single most important people in the galaxy, Crimes of Grindelwald falls into the exceptionalism trap.

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There’s that same desperation to force connections where none were necessary, to make the world smaller by creating new characters, then shoehorning them into the previously existing lore. Percival Graves, the villain from the first Fantastic Beasts? He’s actually the famous dark wizard Grindelwald. That mysterious woman in the carnival? She’s Lord Voldemort’s pet snake! Credence, the lost, abandoned boy? He’s the long-lost secret brother of Albus Dumbledore. Even Grindelwald’s mission statement in his grand speech feels like a callback to Star Wars’ maligned midichlorians: “Magic blooms only in rare souls,” he intones, as he implies that only a special chosen few who are willing to commit genocide can… save the world from World War II. (This is an actual plot point.)

The Last Jedi tried to course-correct that trend with heroes like Finn, a generic stormtrooper-turned-hero, and Rey, whose parents turn out to be “filthy junk traders who sold her off for drinking money.” Kylo Ren taunts Rey by saying, “You have no place in this story. You come from nothing.” But Rey proves him wrong by going head-to-head with a Skywalker scion and showing she’s a key part of the still-unfolding tale. It’s a lovely idea, after years of an ever-narrowing Star Wars lens, where the all-powerful Jedi Knights had to be born into the right family if they wanted to save the galaxy. The Last Jedi went back to heroes who could come from anywhere and start as anything: a garbage-trader, a random soldier, even a slave-boy with a broom. Is Snoke a clone of the Emperor? Is he Darth Plagieus? “Who cares?” The Last Jedi practically shouts. “It’s time for something new.”

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Rowling’s Wizarding World could similarly stand to take a few steps back from padding out the same central story and instead explore something entirely new. There’s a reason that world is so beloved and why fans have clamored for more of it over the years. Fans fell in love with the relatable characters and magical setting that Rowling created, and to this day, they want to continue to explore it in new ways. The Fantastic Beasts movies are raking in hundreds of millions of dollars, so there’s every reason to believe that plenty more Potterverse projects will join them in the pipeline. We’re not likely to leave this magical world behind anytime soon.

But the world is bigger than Rowling is allowing it to be. Hopefully, future installments will learn the lessons of The Last Jedi and start to reflect that by taking some risks, leaving this familiar storyline behind, killing some sacred cows, and trying something new. To quote some advice from The Last Jedi, it’s time to “let the past die. Kill it if you have to.” Otherwise, we may all end up stuck watching the revenge of Revenge of the Sith in two years’ time, when the next Fantastic Beasts rolls into theaters.


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Beyond that, this article seems to go on about as long as the Korean War. I guess that would be a good thing, if I truly gave a care about either franchise at this point. Started skimming about the, oh, fourth paragraph.
 
Beyond that, this article seems to go on about as long as the Korean War. I guess that would be a good thing, if I truly gave a care about either franchise at this point. Started skimming about the, oh, fourth paragraph.
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'The new Fantastic Beasts is what you wanted TLJ to be and that's why it sucks and TLJ is a masterpiece!' is the latest shill defense, as if it being shit for the opposite reasons TLJ was somehow vindicates that garbage fire.

I wrote that the first film in the Fantastic Beasts franchise was the Phantom Menace of Harry Potter films, with the same childish, pandering humor and inability to choose a tone.
Sounds an awful lot like TLJ there.
 
Wish these people understood that the gripes with TLJ were as follows. Helpfully in all caps to trigger some tumblrites.
1: LUKE ISN'T LUKE
2: REY IS A SUE
3: EVERYTHING IS LAZILY SLAPPED TOGETHER
4: ACKBAR DIES FOR NO REASON FOR ADMIRAL GENDER STUDIES TO FUCK UP
5: NONE OF THE CHARACTERS ARE LIKABLE OR REALISTIC
6: FILM ENDS AT BASICALLY THE SAME POINT IT BEGAN.
 
And as some of us have said: it makes no sense even internally. Take off the Star Wars name. Call it: "stellar fights: the last idej" and it would STILL suck. People would rightfully recognize it as the next battlefield earth.
 
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I just find TLJ a little boring. The only parts that really grab me are the Red Guards fight and Poe's attack at the start, especially when he tricks a TIE into crashing through a small gap.
 
Okay... So apparently Padme may be in IX because Kylo wants to revive her to please Vader's split dark half ghost which is why the new Vader comic has such a fixation with this... I guess they really did mean it when they really wanted to overdo it on the nostalgia factor by forcing in as many cameos as possible. My Gosh. Just when I think this film can't be a bigger shitshow, something comes up that tries to prove me wrong.

Okay, this rumor has to be so distorted that it's barely recognizeable. If they not only bring back Palpatine... but even Padme... that would be an amazing amount of bullshit.
The way how I could see them do it would be to make Padme a Force Ghost and come up with some stupid story why she never showed off herself being a Force Ghost. . . . . FUCK. FUUUUUUUUUCK.
What if Rey is a reborn Padme? Fuck. Now that I think about it, maybe that ties in with Palpatine.
There'll be a plot about how Palpatine attempted to do the Plagueis Thing again or something stupid like that and accidentally makes Padme be reborn as Rey.

You know on reflection, if JJ & Disney were smarter, they would have made Starkiller base THE macGuffin for the entire trilogy.
Yeah, Starkiller Base is even worse than Darth Maul.
Darth Maul at least had a lot of buildup before he was discarded. Starkiller Base is brought up and then destroyed so quickly, it makes the whole thing feel very lame and it's obvious they just go through the motions of copying ANH.
"Oh shit, there's Starkiller Base. It's big, it's bad, it's dangerous... oh. It's gone." 10/10 writing.
Had Starkiller Base been an actual threat for longer and the trilogy was about finding out its weakness, that would have been a neat thing to do for a movie or two.

One of the main reasons why TLJ felt so lackluster was cause there was way less at stake.
TFA has SB blow up an entire Star System. TLJ has... basically a super lame and insanely downgraded version of Battlestar Galactica running from the Cylons without any of the redeeming qualitites of BSG.
 
I just find TLJ a little boring. The only parts that really grab me are the Red Guards fight and Poe's attack at the start, especially when he tricks a TIE into crashing through a small gap.

Yeah, as much as we detest TLJ in here, I won't deny it's a visually satisfying movie.

By the way, what's our contingency plan in case IX BTFOs all detractors by being one of the best movies ever made, even succeeding in redeeming nu-SW?
Do we just follow Rich "The Slut" Evans' example?
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