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You can't help a person who refuses to help himself. Who else does that remind you of? :c
Dude I busted my ass on that post too but I got halfway through his rambling, disjointed screed and I just said fuck it and drank some more beer. Dude is just mentally a fuckin child, refusing to cooperate until he's given candy. And the worst part was he tried to equate our being charitable (and by any objective metric we were!) with abusing him and picking on him. Jesus Christ this dude's got my fuckin jimmies rustled man...we could have just been like "fuck you" or any number of mean things or we could have not posted at all, just laughed and moved on but god help us we cared.

Man I almost never Angrypost but my anger level is over 9000, especially since EVEN IF we were all a bunch of shitheads and malcontents in 99% of our posts that still means we had at least 1% good advice here and he just ignored all of it. What a goddamn baby, a tiny little toddler.

Edit: He's a grown up Jay Geis. As long as everybody's falsely equivocating things to other things, Johnathon Sweet is Literally Jay Geis.
 
t's truly amazing how much effort he expends trying to avoid taking responsibility for anything.
Why should I? It's The System's fault, after all.


Think about it. Any of the less-than-lovely ideas and behaviors of mine that you mock, such as my aversion to change, my views on relationships, and my mistrust of new technology, weren't born in a vacuum. According to you, everything I ever loved about my college experience was a lie. My journalism training was left incomplete when I was kicked off the campus paper, more for lack of social skills than any dearth of talent or ability, which has left me unable to find a job where I'm not a glorified baby-sitter for a middle-aged moron or cheap labor on a remodel for a shop that never even got off the ground. Finally, being thrown out of school and exiled to a technological backwater over 15 years ago caused my skills with electronics to remain frozen at half-past 1997 levels. I don't even know how to use a cell phone. So if you want to go holler at someone, go talk to this guy.

Really...why all the immature bullcrap like this, and this, directed at me? Why do you care? Are my books and comics really hurting you, or taking anything away from you? Hm? All I want is to make enough money to build my dream--a little corner of the world where people don't try to claw each other apart to get ahead, there's no need for class envy, and if you make a mistake you're still treated as a human being. Now ask yourself, why does that scare you so much? The answer says a lot more about you than me.
 
Why should I? It's The System's fault, after all.

Think about it. Any of the less-than-lovely ideas and behaviors of mine that you mock, such as my aversion to change, my views on relationships, and my mistrust of new technology, weren't born in a vacuum. According to you, everything I ever loved about my college experience was a lie. My journalism training was left incomplete when I was kicked off the campus paper, more for lack of social skills than any dearth of talent or ability, which has left me unable to find a job where I'm not a glorified baby-sitter for a middle-aged moron or cheap labor on a remodel for a shop that never even got off the ground. Finally, being thrown out of school and exiled to a technological backwater over 15 years ago caused my skills with electronics to remain frozen at half-past 1997 levels. I don't even know how to use a cell phone. So if you want to go holler at someone, go talk to this guy.

Really...why all the immature bullcrap like this, and this, directed at me? Why do you care? Are my books and comics really hurting you, or taking anything away from you? Hm? All I want is to make enough money to build my dream--a little corner of the world where people don't try to claw each other apart to get ahead, there's no need for class envy, and if you make a mistake you're still treated as a human being. Now ask yourself, why does that scare you so much? The answer says a lot more about you than me.
Look who's back
 
Why should I? It's The System's fault, after all.

Think about it. Any of the less-than-lovely ideas and behaviors of mine that you mock, such as my aversion to change, my views on relationships, and my mistrust of new technology, weren't born in a vacuum. According to you, everything I ever loved about my college experience was a lie. My journalism training was left incomplete when I was kicked off the campus paper, more for lack of social skills than any dearth of talent or ability, which has left me unable to find a job where I'm not a glorified baby-sitter for a middle-aged moron or cheap labor on a remodel for a shop that never even got off the ground. Finally, being thrown out of school and exiled to a technological backwater over 15 years ago caused my skills with electronics to remain frozen at half-past 1997 levels. I don't even know how to use a cell phone. So if you want to go holler at someone, go talk to this guy.

Really...why all the immature bullcrap like this, and this, directed at me? Why do you care? Are my books and comics really hurting you, or taking anything away from you? Hm? All I want is to make enough money to build my dream--a little corner of the world where people don't try to claw each other apart to get ahead, there's no need for class envy, and if you make a mistake you're still treated as a human being. Now ask yourself, why does that scare you so much? The answer says a lot more about you than me.

Jesus Christ, that Bad Webcomics page is awful, even by their current standards. Why would you even be bothered by that?
 
Welcome back, Iconoclast.

I don't think others here are saying what you loved about college is a lie. Others here are saying that you should move on from the past, or else things aren't going to change for you.

Also, why should your circumstances throw you off from learning new skills? For example, until just recently, I could only program in QBASIC - a BASIC language from about a quarter of a century ago. But now I'm teaching myself TNT BASIC, a language from this century, because I want to learn it.

Also, learning how to use a cellphone is something that's easy to learn if you just try to figure it out.
 
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Why should I? It's The System's fault, after all.

Think about it. Any of the less-than-lovely ideas and behaviors of mine that you mock, such as my aversion to change, my views on relationships, and my mistrust of new technology, weren't born in a vacuum. According to you, everything I ever loved about my college experience was a lie. My journalism training was left incomplete when I was kicked off the campus paper, more for lack of social skills than any dearth of talent or ability, which has left me unable to find a job where I'm not a glorified baby-sitter for a middle-aged moron or cheap labor on a remodel for a shop that never even got off the ground. Finally, being thrown out of school and exiled to a technological backwater over 15 years ago caused my skills with electronics to remain frozen at half-past 1997 levels. I don't even know how to use a cell phone. So if you want to go holler at someone, go talk to this guy.

Really...why all the immature bullcrap like this, and this, directed at me? Why do you care? Are my books and comics really hurting you, or taking anything away from you? Hm? All I want is to make enough money to build my dream--a little corner of the world where people don't try to claw each other apart to get ahead, there's no need for class envy, and if you make a mistake you're still treated as a human being. Now ask yourself, why does that scare you so much? The answer says a lot more about you than me.

You graduated though, right? So what's the problem? Why haven't you rebounded in the past 15 years and overcome your challenges and made enough money to build your dream?
 
Why should I? It's The System's fault, after all.

Think about it. Any of the less-than-lovely ideas and behaviors of mine that you mock, such as my aversion to change, my views on relationships, and my mistrust of new technology, weren't born in a vacuum. According to you, everything I ever loved about my college experience was a lie. My journalism training was left incomplete when I was kicked off the campus paper, more for lack of social skills than any dearth of talent or ability, which has left me unable to find a job where I'm not a glorified baby-sitter for a middle-aged moron or cheap labor on a remodel for a shop that never even got off the ground. Finally, being thrown out of school and exiled to a technological backwater over 15 years ago caused my skills with electronics to remain frozen at half-past 1997 levels. I don't even know how to use a cell phone. So if you want to go holler at someone, go talk to this guy.

Really...why all the immature bullcrap like this, and this, directed at me? Why do you care? Are my books and comics really hurting you, or taking anything away from you? Hm? All I want is to make enough money to build my dream--a little corner of the world where people don't try to claw each other apart to get ahead, there's no need for class envy, and if you make a mistake you're still treated as a human being. Now ask yourself, why does that scare you so much? The answer says a lot more about you than me.
It seems that you blame your faults on others instead of trying to change yourself.
 
It seems that you blame your faults on others instead of trying to change yourself.

It also seems like he's a Marxist, blaming a "system" that values improvement of one's skills and competition, and wants to create a classless society in its place:

It's The System's fault, after all.

I don't even know how to use a cell phone.

All I want is to make enough money to build my dream--a little corner of the world where people don't try to claw each other apart to get ahead, there's no need for class envy.

Which is fine as far as things go, but he should get his political definitions correct. In his comic, for example, I noticed that he has a blowhard political talk radio show host as a foil. But the character is liberal. Which isn't analogous to the real world.
 
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Why should I? It's The System's fault, after all.

Think about it. Any of the less-than-lovely ideas and behaviors of mine that you mock, such as my aversion to change, my views on relationships, and my mistrust of new technology, weren't born in a vacuum. According to you, everything I ever loved about my college experience was a lie. My journalism training was left incomplete when I was kicked off the campus paper, more for lack of social skills than any dearth of talent or ability, which has left me unable to find a job where I'm not a glorified baby-sitter for a middle-aged moron or cheap labor on a remodel for a shop that never even got off the ground. Finally, being thrown out of school and exiled to a technological backwater over 15 years ago caused my skills with electronics to remain frozen at half-past 1997 levels. I don't even know how to use a cell phone. So if you want to go holler at someone, go talk to this guy.

Really...why all the immature bullcrap like this, and this, directed at me? Why do you care? Are my books and comics really hurting you, or taking anything away from you? Hm? All I want is to make enough money to build my dream--a little corner of the world where people don't try to claw each other apart to get ahead, there's no need for class envy, and if you make a mistake you're still treated as a human being. Now ask yourself, why does that scare you so much? The answer says a lot more about you than me.
Damn, that was a short 15 years.
 
Why should I? It's The System's fault, after all.

Think about it. Any of the less-than-lovely ideas and behaviors of mine that you mock, such as my aversion to change, my views on relationships, and my mistrust of new technology, weren't born in a vacuum. According to you, everything I ever loved about my college experience was a lie. My journalism training was left incomplete when I was kicked off the campus paper, more for lack of social skills than any dearth of talent or ability, which has left me unable to find a job where I'm not a glorified baby-sitter for a middle-aged moron or cheap labor on a remodel for a shop that never even got off the ground. Finally, being thrown out of school and exiled to a technological backwater over 15 years ago caused my skills with electronics to remain frozen at half-past 1997 levels. I don't even know how to use a cell phone. So if you want to go holler at someone, go talk to this guy.

Really...why all the immature bullcrap like this, and this, directed at me? Why do you care? Are my books and comics really hurting you, or taking anything away from you? Hm? All I want is to make enough money to build my dream--a little corner of the world where people don't try to claw each other apart to get ahead, there's no need for class envy, and if you make a mistake you're still treated as a human being. Now ask yourself, why does that scare you so much? The answer says a lot more about you than me.
Jesus Christ, THIS is what I wake up to this morning. I don't got a lot of time because unlike you I have a life, and I'm going to be brief and to the point because I'm tired of trying to empathize with you and I'm through treating you as an equal, because you're not. Congratulations, Sweetness, you've made me break one of my cardinal rules in life (treat others with respect) because you so very obviously don't treat any of us with it.

Simply put, there is no "The System". There is no such fucking thing. Here let me try again:
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "THE SYSTEM".

This construct which you continually refer to and insist actually exists is not anything, you're so fucking desperate to not acknowledge your own flaws, you're so AFRAID of your own shortcomings that you insist on seeing organization where none exists!

Here's some more bigtext:
The reason there is no "The System" is really simple: NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOU. You are not worth the time to organize a large conspiracy around.

Your former editor at a fucking collegiate newspaper doesn't care that you exist, and hasn't thought about you except in passing for a long time. No one has, because they've all moved on with their lives. You must move on with yours, too! You cannot stagnate!

One final piece of news for you, since you so enjoy journalism:
Your college experiences don't matter today. You cannot go back to the past, you are not Marty Fuckin Mcfly.
If you want to make the money to build your dream, you have to slog it out like the rest of us, Sweetness. Otherwise it WILL NOT HAPPEN. We are trying to force you to acknowledge your flaws, because in doing so they have no more power over you. Time to grow the fuck up man, or stagnate forever.

If the entire world is telling you that you're wrong, why do you think that it's the world thats wrong instead?

Edit: I legitimately do hate you, because you're going to ignore every word I just wrote, or cherry-pick parts of it to respond to, because you're incapable of being a grown man and are instead a giant fucking toddler.

Double Edit: You really think we're afraid of you? How could we be? You don't represent anything at all. You hardly exist, and when your mom dies you'll be stuck in the cruel cold world all by yourself, a failure in every respect. I feel the worst for your family, because they must have hoped at some point that you wouldn't be a wretched subhuman. Do you even love your mom at all? Because judging by the way you act towards her, your brother, and most of all towards yourself, with your lack of self-respect and fucking dignity, I am forced to conclude that you don't love her even a little bit.
 
Well Damn. On my last day of internet access, one of my other idols reappears. And he still hasn't gotten anywhere since his last visit.
 
Hello Iconoclast.

I appreciate you never completed your journalistic training. However I would have hoped you had the prescience to research the previous outcomes when a subject of one of our threads turns up to argue a point.

It never ends well for them. Why do you think you will fare differently?
 
Wait if you graduated with a degree in journalism why don't you start an actual career in your field instead of spending years pining over a college newspaper?
 
And look who's back for round two. And I agree with Saney about that review, it's just "Hurr, he's a far-right Chris-Chan!" Why are we here anyway? Well, I'll let Char explain that:

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My degree is in English, not journalism. Also, not everyone who studies journalism goes into the field. My former mentor is still at ASU, toiling in the college library archives. I'd ask him why he never went on to one of the big papers, but he's never forgiven me for what happened back then. Sure, I miss the perks of the journalism lifestyle, but things have changed. I'm not sure I'd fit in, even if I rewrote all my Clinton jokes for 2016.

Why would you even be bothered by that [Bad Webcomics page]?
It turns up on the first page when I Google Belch Dimension Comics. Anyone can see it. And it's lazy and sloppy. I mean, I'm not even worth the same effort at a a writeup as Questionable Content or The Office Bitch? Odd as it sounds, I'm insulted about not being good enough to insult.

I don't think others here are saying what you loved about college is a lie.
Funny, that's the impression I got. Every time I talk about something about college I'd like to recreate on the outside, someone comes along and tells me:
The time for that might have been when I was actually in that world, not two decades after the fact. That's why I want to help this new generation of kids along. I think many of them could be stopped from making mistakes they will regret in years to come. I had no one to help me along when I was starting out. I want to be in their corner.

...[L]earning how to use a cellphone is something that's easy to learn if you just try to figure it out.
It was never allowed before. My brother was so paranoid about me calling the police on him that he forbade me from having one, and if he'd found one I'd hidden somewhere, he would have had a meltdown and hurt me severely. However, I'm happy to say he is getting help to get off drugs, turn his life around, and learn to control his anger, so maybe someday. Who knows, I may even eventually learn to use that i-Pad thing I've heard so much about.

Why haven't you rebounded in the past 15 years and overcome your challenges and made enough money to build your dream?
Change isn't progressive, it's cyclical. In 1997, I had (what I believed to be) a great job and the perfect girl. In 2002 I had a moderately good job (even if my boss was a drooling imbecile) and a nice girl. In 2008 I had a pretty decent job (in a great location, with an apartment included), though no girl. Now, I have a sour economy, no job, and no one. I can't go back to school because even if I had the money I'd still run into people's sneering elitist and ageist attitudes. My brothers' problems worked against me as well. I'm still not allowed a bank account or credit cards, which means I can't enter writing contests or pursue work-at-home opportunities like I used to.

...for example, I noticed [in his comic]that he has a blowhard political talk radio show host as a foil. But the character is liberal.
I take a few liberties with reality in the comic, you know. And it isn't for lack of trying on their part. Left-wing talk show hosts simply don't make it in the market. Ask Al Franken. Ask Alec Baldwin. Ask...you, see, I'm sorry, I can't think of a third. Hence my point. It made more sense for the structure of the story to have it a talk radio guy instead of, say, some nut on a message board. But really, my character isn't much better. He turns into the same sort of self-righteous blowhard, acts rude, insults callers, and drives poor broken-headed "Charles Edwin Cranston" intro a murderous rage. It's based loosely on how I was back in my newspaperman days (even down to the flipover shades I wore then).

I don't know where you get that "Marxist" garbage, Holly. I'd just like my ex's dad to explain his reasons for lying to me. Maybe if he has admitted his daughter was the town whore and he was just trying to protect me, I'd feel less insulted. In fact, if a lot of people had been honest with me early on and not gone behind my back, we'd get along ever so much better. If anything, the school paper was a little Marxist. They threw me out for being too ambitious, submitting too much, and because I got more reader mail and gifts than anyone else on staff. It was pure jealousy.

I apologize for the length of this post, but I wanted to be fair with everyone. Icy, I'm going to do a special blog on you. You're going to be my featured attraction. :lol:
 
Aw shit look who's back. So did you take over your college paper like you promised?

Still blaming everyone else and afraid of your brother it seems. At least you're consistent.
 
It was never allowed before. My brother was so paranoid about me calling the police on him that he forbade me from having one, and if he'd found one I'd hidden somewhere, he would have had a meltdown and hurt me severely.
You could get something like small pay-as-you-go one (like "TracFone"), and set it to vibrate. My phone is really small and easy to conceal, for example. Also, if someone I was living with was a serious threat to me, I _would_ call the police. Or I'd do what I could to move out and/or stand up to them. Or all of the above. As I hinted at many pages ago, it's not worth living with someone who's abusive.

As for the overall impression as to what the forums think of your college experience, I still get the impression I described in my previous post above.
 
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My degree is in English, not journalism. Also, not everyone who studies journalism goes into the field. My former mentor is still at ASU, toiling in the college library archives. I'd ask him why he never went on to one of the big papers, but he's never forgiven me for what happened back then. Sure, I miss the perks of the journalism lifestyle, but things have changed. I'm not sure I'd fit in, even if I rewrote all my Clinton jokes for 2016.


It turns up on the first page when I Google Belch Dimension Comics. Anyone can see it. And it's lazy and sloppy. I mean, I'm not even worth the same effort at a a writeup as Questionable Content or The Office Bitch? Odd as it sounds, I'm insulted about not being good enough to insult.


Funny, that's the impression I got. Every time I talk about something about college I'd like to recreate on the outside, someone comes along and tells me:
The time for that might have been when I was actually in that world, not two decades after the fact. That's why I want to help this new generation of kids along. I think many of them could be stopped from making mistakes they will regret in years to come. I had no one to help me along when I was starting out. I want to be in their corner.


It was never allowed before. My brother was so paranoid about me calling the police on him that he forbade me from having one, and if he'd found one I'd hidden somewhere, he would have had a meltdown and hurt me severely. However, I'm happy to say he is getting help to get off drugs, turn his life around, and learn to control his anger, so maybe someday. Who knows, I may even eventually learn to use that i-Pad thing I've heard so much about.


Change isn't progressive, it's cyclical. In 1997, I had (what I believed to be) a great job and the perfect girl. In 2002 I had a moderately good job (even if my boss was a drooling imbecile) and a nice girl. In 2008 I had a pretty decent job (in a great location, with an apartment included), though no girl. Now, I have a sour economy, no job, and no one. I can't go back to school because even if I had the money I'd still run into people's sneering elitist and ageist attitudes. My brothers' problems worked against me as well. I'm still not allowed a bank account or credit cards, which means I can't enter writing contests or pursue work-at-home opportunities like I used to.


I take a few liberties with reality in the comic, you know. And it isn't for lack of trying on their part. Left-wing talk show hosts simply don't make it in the market. Ask Al Franken. Ask Alec Baldwin. Ask...you, see, I'm sorry, I can't think of a third. Hence my point. It made more sense for the structure of the story to have it a talk radio guy instead of, say, some nut on a message board. But really, my character isn't much better. He turns into the same sort of self-righteous blowhard, acts rude, insults callers, and drives poor broken-headed "Charles Edwin Cranston" intro a murderous rage. It's based loosely on how I was back in my newspaperman days (even down to the flipover shades I wore then).

I don't know where you get that "Marxist" garbage, Holly. I'd just like my ex's dad to explain his reasons for lying to me. Maybe if he has admitted his daughter was the town whore and he was just trying to protect me, I'd feel less insulted. In fact, if a lot of people had been honest with me early on and not gone behind my back, we'd get along ever so much better. If anything, the school paper was a little Marxist. They threw me out for being too ambitious, submitting too much, and because I got more reader mail and gifts than anyone else on staff. It was pure jealousy.

I apologize for the length of this post, but I wanted to be fair with everyone. Icy, I'm going to do a special blog on you. You're going to be my featured attraction. :lol:

This is probably the most reasonable, thoughtful post you've written here. There's some problems with it, but at least you don't go out of your way to be hostile and you acknowledge some of your own contributions to your situation.
 
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