Science Complex molecules found on Saturn’s moon Enceladus

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BREAKING: Complex Organic Molecules Discovered on Enceladus For The First Time
It has everything needed to host alien life!


MICHELLE STARR
27 JUN 2018
The plumes of salty water shooting out of Saturn's ocean moon Enceladus have just ponied up one of the most significant ingredients for habitability: large organic molecules rich in carbon.

It's a discovery that suggests a thin, organic rich film atop the oceanic water table - very similar to the sea surface microlayer here on Earth, which is extraordinarily rich in organic compounds.

And yes, you guessed it. These findings bolster the hypothesis that, deep under its icy crust, Enceladus could be harbouring simple marine life, clustered around the warmth of hydrothermal vents.

Previously, simple organic molecules detected on the little moon were under around 50 atomic mass units and only contained a handful of carbon atoms.

"We are, yet again, blown away by Enceladus," said geochemist and planetary scientist Christopher Glein of the Southwest Research Institute.

"We've found organic molecules with masses above 200 atomic mass units. That's over ten times heavier than methane.

"With complex organic molecules emanating from its liquid water ocean, this moon is the only body besides Earth known to simultaneously satisfy all of the basic requirements for life as we know it."

Let that sink in for a moment.

One might think that a moon far from the Sun with an ocean covered by a thick crust of ice would be an unlikely place to look for extraterrestrial life, but the case for it is mounting.

Last year, Cassini data revealed the presence of molecular hydrogen in the plumes shooting off the surface of Enceladus - a possible source of which would be the ocean's water reacting with rocks via hydrothermal processes.

That process has been observed here on Earth - around hydrothermal vents, volcanic apertures in the seafloor that spew heat into the surrounding water.

These terrestrial hydrothermal vents are often far from the life-giving light of the Sun, which triggers the photosynthesis on which the vast majority of Earth's life depends.

But the warmth from the vents allows a different process to take place - chemosynthesis. Bacteria around the vents harness chemical energy, such as the reaction between hydrogen sulfide from the vent and oxygen from the seawater, to produce sugar molecules - food.

"Hydrogen provides a source of chemical energy supporting microbes that live in Earth's oceans near hydrothermal vents," said physicist Hunter Waite of the Southwest Research Institute, principal investigator on the Cassini Ion and Neutral Mass Spectrometer.

"Once you have identified a potential food source for microbes, the next question to ask is 'what is the nature of the complex organics in the ocean?' This paper represents the first step in that understanding - complexity in the organic chemistry beyond our expectations!"

The molecules were also detected by Cassini, which sampled an Enceladus plume before it was decommissioned in September of last year.

It then used its Cosmic Dust Analyzer and Ion and Neutral Mass Spectrometer to take measurements, both of the plume and of Saturn's E ring - the planet's second outermost ring, within which Enceladus orbits. It's formed by particles escaping the moon's gravity.

It's possible that a future probe may be able to dive through the plumes, equipped with a high-resolution mass spectrometer, to analyse those molecules in greater detail, and with more advanced technology.

Meanwhile, researchers here on Earth are continuing to observe and experiment on hydrothermal vents in the hopes of advancing our understanding of what life on Enceladus might look like.

And there are a number of proposed missions to actually send a craft to the ice moon to investigate more closely the possibility of life - and maybe even find it. But sadly, none of those are in development yet, so any such mission would still be years away, if it happens at all.

But, based on what we're still continuing to learn from Cassini, the moon is only looking more and more intriguing.

"Even after its end," Glein said, "the Cassini spacecraft continues to teach us about the potential of Enceladus to advance the field of astrobiology in an ocean world."

The research has been published in the journal Nature.

From above article:
"With complex organic molecules emanating from its liquid water ocean, this moon is the only body besides Earth known to simultaneously satisfy all of the basic requirements for life as we know it."

That’s some cool stuff.
 
From above article:
"With complex organic molecules emanating from its liquid water ocean, this moon is the only body besides Earth known to simultaneously satisfy all of the basic requirements for life as we know it."

That’s some cool stuff.
Wowzers. The article actually understates how important this is, if we take all we know about the formation of the life, then it isn't a question of "is life here?" but rather "When will life form?"

Enceladus, and Saturn in general, was the dark horse candidate for life as well. Unfortunately, the extreme distance towards Saturn makes research very fucking difficult. Hopefully this reinvigorates Western space flight.
 
The article actually understates how important this is, if we take all we know about the formation of the life, then it isn't a question of "is life here?" but rather "When will life form?"
With every such discovery, it seems more and more likely the recipe for life in general is just "Dirt + water + heatsource + 1 billion years = life".

Granted it might just be bacteria-like things or at best some sort of amoeba, but that's still mind blowing in its own right.
 
Imagine new delicacies being made from catching fish from this planet just for super rich people, like how the pineapple used to be.
 
Granted it might just be bacteria-like things or at best some sort of amoeba, but that's still mind blowing in its own right.
It would appear to be, unless you want to run full-tilt into the Fermi paradox. However, completely isolated ecosystems have been found in the deepest parts of the sea living in total dependence on a single hydro-thermal vent with multi-cellular fish and other complex organisms. The conditions of those "hotspots" on Earth and Enceladus are very similar.

The problem then becomes, if life is so easily found, then why haven't we been contacted by ayys yet? There are a LOT of solar systems and planets surrounding us.
 
There is that whole light speed problem. And we do see weird stuff occasionally, like that weirdly flickering light source those scientists got all excited over.

Also, they probably had their own Carl Sagans who told them they better look out and not announce themselves to the other aliens.
 
It would appear to be, unless you want to run full-tilt into the Fermi paradox. However, completely isolated ecosystems have been found in the deepest parts of the sea living in total dependence on a single hydro-thermal vent with multi-cellular fish and other complex organisms. The conditions of those "hotspots" on Earth and Enceladus are very similar.

The problem then becomes, if life is so easily found, then why haven't we been contacted by ayys yet? There are a LOT of solar systems and planets surrounding us.
One thing to keep in mind is that our universe isn't just insanely vast in space, but also in time.

It's perfectly viable to assume that there has been a civilisation just like ours within a 50ly radius... only it was 50 million years ago. In stellar terms, that would still be a very close shave.

No green-skinned orion-girls for us, I fear...(:_(
 
Cassini is honestly the most amazing space project. Kept going for years beyond its intended mission span and provided the most incredible data.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that our universe isn't just insanely vast in space, but also in time.

It's perfectly viable to assume that there has been a civilisation just like ours within a 50ly radius... only it was 50 million years ago. In stellar terms, that would still be a very close shave.

No green-skinned orion-girls for us, I fear...(:_(

I read something a while ago that while thats a likely scenario its also likely there are a number of alien civilisations comparable to our own right now we are just really spread out from one another, and maybe a handful active ones with interstellar travel capability but they are relatively rare and it ranges the gambit of O’Neil Cylinders (generational or cryo ships) that travel at sub luminal speeds right the way up to one or two species with some form of FTL travel but are self-containing as what makes an ideal planet for one is hell on earth for another or because they know space is hostile and only expand into a new location if they are sure to find what they need close by.

If anything there is a theory that the universe my not be populated by Biological creatures but the remnants of ones long dead who sent AI probes into space long ago and they might be the only contact most if any civilisation has with one another, be it as an automatized exploration method or as something more basic like resource harvesting.
 
Enceladus, and Saturn in general, was the dark horse candidate for life as well. Unfortunately, the extreme distance towards Saturn makes research very fucking difficult. Hopefully this reinvigorates Western space flight.
One thing to keep in mind is that our universe isn't just insanely vast in space, but also in time.
There's a lot of people that want to try playing ancient gods by sending bacteria and other microstuffs to distant earth-like planets, infecting them with life, this moon could be the closest candidate for that kind of shit, the only bad thing is that we'll be probably gone a long time before we can anally probe some tribal lifeforms.
 
Hopefully this reinvigorates Western space flight.
Unlikely. I don't see us leaving Earth orbit for a while, with the lack of political will for funding on the United States government's part. Private ventures like Tesla-SpaceX, being the pet projects of wealthy playboys, seem to be our best shot for interplanetary spaceflight. It remains to be seen if BFR will pan out, though.

The cynic in me says we're going to die on Earth.
 
I read something a while ago that while thats a likely scenario its also likely there are a number of alien civilisations comparable to our own right now we are just really spread out from one another, and maybe a handful active ones with interstellar travel capability but they are relatively rare and it ranges the gambit of O’Neil Cylinders (generational or cryo ships) that travel at sub luminal speeds right the way up to one or two species with some form of FTL travel but are self-containing as what makes an ideal planet for one is hell on earth for another or because they know space is hostile and only expand into a new location if they are sure to find what they need close by.

If anything there is a theory that the universe my not be populated by Biological creatures but the remnants of ones long dead who sent AI probes into space long ago and they might be the only contact most if any civilisation has with one another, be it as an automatized exploration method or as something more basic like resource harvesting.

If you use life on Earth as a guide, it's reasonable to assume that intelligent life (the kind capable of interstellar travel and communication) is probably very few and far between. It is estimated that upwards of 5 billion different species have lived on Earth throughout it's long history, yet so far only one has achieved the intellectual capacity to wonder what might exist beyond our world: us.
 
The entire concept of colonizing other worlds, outside of perhaps Venus, is deeply retarded. The human skeleton rapidly degrades in low gravity environments, and prolonged exposure to cosmic radiation is lethal. This rules out nearly every planet and moon in our solar system. Unless FTL is ever proven to be both possible and feasible, I think humans will never physically leave Earth, and will have to be content living on our biological paradise world and exploring and strip mining the rest of the solar system via an army of probes.
 
It always feels like these news bits about discovering organic compounds are way too optimistic and chomping at the bit. Organic compounds are interesting but nowhere near enough to directly suggest life. We still don't have a clear idea of what kicked off life on this planet, and early earth was a relative cornucopia of life-supportive circumstances. Enceladus is a pile of ice and rock loosely held together by gravity and the sun is nothing more than a bright star from its position.

The entire concept of colonizing other worlds, outside of perhaps Venus, is deeply exceptional. The human skeleton rapidly degrades in low gravity environments, and prolonged exposure to cosmic radiation is lethal. This rules out nearly every planet and moon in our solar system.
Dealing with radiation would require shielded structures or subterranean settlements, neither of which is infeasible but doesn't say much for quality of life. It pretty much rules out Jupiter's moons though. As for gravity, I don't think artificial simulation of gravity is necessarily out of the question. It could be as simple as settling a small asteroid, hollowing it out, and giving it a desirable spin. There are at least several hundred "small" asteroids that are at least 100km in diameter whose velocity could be controlled and altered over time with rockets, how many millions could even one of those potentially house?
 
If you use life on Earth as a guide, it's reasonable to assume that intelligent life (the kind capable of interstellar travel and communication) is probably very few and far between. It is estimated that upwards of 5 billion different species have lived on Earth throughout it's long history, yet so far only one has achieved the intellectual capacity to wonder what might exist beyond our world: us.

That is why it is more of a general odds than the Fermi calculation, there is likely a planet that evolved life that has fatal reaction to iron just by contact that will not think like us or even think we qualify as a higher life form.

I mean here is a XKCD

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Let s say a species evolved that did not have Oral receptors and communicated by Bioluminescence or some other meathod we do not posess, or not at that level. Our most primative and also the most common is the spoken sound because we cant easillycommunicate with them does that mean that they are less than us or we are less than them and each species does make a judgement call on that.

For example the top three humanised animals are Dogs, Apes, and Pigs now we recognised there intelligence as we posess it ourselfsbecause in some regards we have worked our way up through the same evoloutionary chain we are likey to not initially or possibly at all in another species at first an may regard a sapient species as anything but.
 
As for gravity, I don't think artificial simulation of gravity is necessarily out of the question. It could be as simple as settling a small asteroid, hollowing it out, and giving it a desirable spin.

True, I had forgotten about the idea of hollw spinning asteroids as possible settlements, which is the premise of the sci-fi book Eon. However, it still limits you to to relatively small structures with large amount to of shielding or rocks you can control the rotational speed of; any planet signicantly lower than 1g of gravitational pull will still turn your bones to jello, to say nothing of whether fetal/childhood development is even possible. The lack of magnetic radiation shielding just makes it even more expensive and challenging on top of that fundamental issue.
 
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