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I personally think that things have gotten so bad that we're way past the point that furries will ever be considered "mainstream" and chances are, the fandom will either die out or downsize to how it was in the late 1990's and early 2000's when it was very underground and nobody in mainstream pop culture knew what a furry was.

But then again, you never know. Freakish things can happen.
 
I'm an optimist. The fandom has grown massively in population over the past few years. As more and more kids become open to new ideas (less controlled by their parent's ideology) it's only going to keep growing.

I won't lie, I like the fandom. I've met quite a few decent, and successful, people in it. I've also met people I think need a bullet in the head for the better of humanity. It's a mixmatched group like any fandom, but it's generally okay. But I have this seething hatred for the fandom at the same time. Blatant defending of sexual predators, scam artists and kiddy diddlers are the three things that'll be the end of this all. Next to the white nationalism and the JW scene that thinks it needs to control what people think (with most having their hearts in the right place which is unfortunate).

Right now the fandom is trying to cleanse as I think you've noticed, but it's going to be a hard battle because the leadership isn't fully on board or maybe even involved in what needs getting goned.

(Edit) I said kids. A lot of people join the fandom young. I joined it in 2007 at around 15. gives you an idea as to why there's so many potential kiddy diddlers saying "cub art is just a fantasy" hanging around, yeah?
Under any other circumstance I'd just drop a powerlevel joke on your head, but I kind of agree with you on some things, and yet you still don't got that grip on shit my dude.

The fandom isn't trying to cleanse at all, it's merely sweeping shit under the rug, and even then the only ones that are doing so are the leftyfurs, purely because they're fucking bored. They don't got altfurry anymore (I took care of that shit) so now they're stuck with all this pent up autstic rage trying to vent it out onto anyone, and they for some odd reason chose the cubfurs, which is funny considering they are probably on inkbunny uploading on that site right now. That being said the ones trying to "cleanse the filth" are very small, and the rest of the furries are just doing what they've done for two decades.

By the way, telling people how old you are is a great way to have someone dox your ass.
 
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I'm wondering how long the furry fandom can last in this day and age. Nothing lasts forever, and I get this feeling that furries will end up being a dead subculture, similar to greasers, hippies, goths, beatniks, emo kids, and the like.

I'm sure you'll still have furry fetishists here and there, and there will probably still be furry porn if you know where to look, but with all that has happened, I doubt you'll see fursuiters in public or major furry conventions for much longer

Best case scenario for the furry fandom is that the furries who are left will get their shit together, establish some basic codes of conduct, and keep things secret and confidential, similar to how the BDSM community generally does things (which is what the furries should have done from the beginning)

A lot of the subcultures you've mentioned were very much a product of their political climate/times. The concept of anthropomorphic animals has been around longer than all of those, though the "furry" aspect of it is a relatively new thing that's only 2-3 decades old. I don't think the subculture is ever really going to "go away" because there isn't much in the way of an age barrier or required social status as an entry gate whereas the others sort of had a delineated period where it was acceptable to participate in them.

It's very difficult to get a proper pulse on the fandom as a public entity because things have been growing at an increasing rate in regards to attendance at conventions and such but if there was a major issue within the fandom you'd think there'd be a drop off or something. A little shy of 20 years ago people thought the fandom was "dying" because it was becoming harder and harder to find furry comics at anything beyond specialty brick and mortar comic book stores. That was 20 years ago, and we're still around today. People like to point at specific things and say "this is what's going to do the fandom in" and nobody has been correct yet.

I don't think the fandom is invincible by any stretch of the term. I just don't think there's going to be some cataclysmic event that closes the door on it. The brony fandom was an open and shut sort of ordeal because it was something based around one specific television show and that was it. When the show's over, the fandom has nothing else to obsess about. The furry fandom saw similar rises and falls with things like Tiny Toons Adventures and SWAT Kats. The wider fandom is not tethered to an IP or franchise that will eventually be cancelled or shuttered and that's why it has survived.

I've noticed there's already some age splits with regards to how said furries act towards each other. I've seen furries who will straight up refuse to talk to newfags or younger furries for that very reason, along with the fact they all act like teenagers.

This is surprisingly common. Nobody in my circle of aging friends associates or talks to anyone younger than like 25 or 30 unless there's a commission or something involved. It's not worth the trouble or the drama of trying to rub elbows with children. Literally and figuratively.
 
I don't think the fandom is going anywhere anytime soon. I think it has something to do with the unusual theme the fandom is centered on. If you were to hang out with a group of trekkies, you might watch episodes of Star Trek or perhaps discuss a book series. If you hang out with weebs you might watch anime or talk about the latest manga. If you hang out with furries, what do you do? Think about it, what do you actually have in common by being furries? Aside from the obvious answers "we have a meat-slapping ogry!" there just isn't any substantial content out there that is furry but not sexualized. The only answers I have heard to the "what do you do?" question is either "we watch movies with anthropomorphic characters" or "we just hang out like friends".

Furry isn't actually tied to something that can be destroyed such as a TV series so I can't imagine how it would ever lose popularity to the point of extinction.
 
A lot of the subcultures you've mentioned were very much a product of their political climate/times. The concept of anthropomorphic animals has been around longer than all of those, though the "furry" aspect of it is a relatively new thing that's only 2-3 decades old.
Of course those earliest times were often literary-based, often with morals/lessons readers were meant to pick up on. Animals were always typecasted into different roles based on long-standing views of them (predators were often antagonists while prey were the good guys). Cartoons and comics were a logical step forward in bringing anthropomorphic characters to life, often using the same concepts and formulas as before.

I don't think the subculture is ever really going to "go away" because there isn't much in the way of an age barrier or required social status as an entry gate whereas the others sort of had a delineated period where it was acceptable to participate in them.
True.

It's very difficult to get a proper pulse on the fandom as a public entity because things have been growing at an increasing rate in regards to attendance at conventions and such but if there was a major issue within the fandom you'd think there'd be a drop off or something. A little shy of 20 years ago people thought the fandom was "dying" because it was becoming harder and harder to find furry comics at anything beyond specialty brick and mortar comic book stores.
I remember that. Of course you had to go to one of those dinky comic/rpg shops for that if you wanted.

I don't think the fandom is invincible by any stretch of the term. I just don't think there's going to be some cataclysmic event that closes the door on it. The brony fandom was an open and shut sort of ordeal because it was something based around one specific television show and that was it. When the show's over, the fandom has nothing else to obsess about. The furry fandom saw similar rises and falls with things like Tiny Toons Adventures and SWAT Kats. The wider fandom is not tethered to an IP or franchise that will eventually be cancelled or shuttered and that's why it has survived.
It's certainly broader in that respect (keep thinking of Road Rovers being one of those people never let go of for a long time).

This is surprisingly common. Nobody in my circle of aging friends associates or talks to anyone younger than like 25 or 30 unless there's a commission or something involved. It's not worth the trouble or the drama of trying to rub elbows with children. Literally and figuratively.
Thank you, and really, that's what it should be. Let them figure it out!
 
Age gaps not talking to each other, while neither side realizes they're all dogfucking spergs.

To be frank the greymuzzles are more degenerate, since old people in general have fucked up enema fetishes.
 
Furry as a whole isn't going to go anywhere. Maybe its prevalence might ebb and flow like a tide, but as others have mentioned, it's not tied to an IP (like, say, Voltron or Steven Universe), so it's not going to suddenly die out after a series ends or a movie has its 15 minutes of fame. Sure, you have movies like Zootopia, or even video games that have elements that draw furries to it (i.e. Undertale, Night in the Woods), but furry was never truly about established properties at its core the way media fandoms are. Plus, the fact it's so decentralized means there's no real way to fully curb or police the negative aspects. This can be considered a blessing or a curse, depending on which side of the fence you fall on.

And unless the cubfur issue is brought to light by a major media outlet (or some clickbait/yellow journalism shithole like BuzzFeed or Daily Dot), I doubt much will change in that regard. As amusing as the current craze of dragging artists who draw that sick shit is, any amount of fandom public tarring and feathering isn't going to change a thing.

Having said that, it will be interesting to see what happens with the current demographics 10 years from now. Most of the artists I remember from 10 years ago, have either moved on completely with their lives (either on to other interests or became normies) or became glorified manchildren as the "How do you do, kids" meme made flesh, even taking on genderspecial identities in their 40's-50's (i.e. XianJaguar, as mentioned a few pages back) or whatever the current flavor of the month cause célèbre is.

I think once the current political climate changes -and you know it will, eventually-, we'll see the furry fandom start to take a different overarching form. Like, during the Bush years, it was all edgy emo goth "Rail against authority"-type stuff; complete deviant freedom under the 8 years of Obama (lulled into a false sense of security because of said 8 years), and now... the Antifa and Alt-Furry scrappings/'Everyone X to the Y of me is evil" mentality of the Trump/populist era.

At the end of the day, furry at its core is about getting ones rocks off to humanoid animals, and no amount of politics and drama is ever going to change that.
 
Having said that, it will be interesting to see what happens with the current demographics 10 years from now. Most of the artists I remember from 10 years ago, have either moved on completely with their lives (either on to other interests or became normies) or became glorified manchildren as the "How do you do, kids" meme made flesh, even taking on genderspecial identities in their 40's-50's (i.e. XianJaguar, as mentioned a few pages back) or whatever the current flavor of the month cause célèbre is.

I think once the current political climate changes -and you know it will, eventually-, we'll see the furry fandom start to take a different overarching form. Like, during the Bush years, it was all edgy emo goth "Rail against authority"-type stuff; complete deviant freedom under the 8 years of Obama (lulled into a false sense of security because of said 8 years), and now... the Antifa and Alt-Furry scrappings/'Everyone X to the Y of me is evil" mentality of the Trump/populist era.
Not really looking forward to the future myself. Rather people just move on with their lives. This sort of stuff screws you up for live come 20-40 years.

At the end of the day, furry at its core is about getting ones rocks off to humanoid animals, and no amount of politics and drama is ever going to change that.
I'm sure.
 
But yeah, more or less it's just sweeping it all under the rug until it blows up again.

Cub porn is an easy target to be outraged about and collect your internet points on Twitter. Then everyone moves on.

To actually clean up the fandom would require doing something about all the dogfuckers, sex pests, people not disclosing their HIV status, pedos grooming real-life children, etc. Instead of maintaining how the fandom has nothing to do with sex whatsoever and then ignoring or covering up any heinous shit that happens. Leftyfurs pay about as much attention to the staggering number of sexual predators in the fandom as they do the Holodomor.
 
I’m gonna make a stupid post but why are furry lefties obsessed with pushing away ‘t3h pedos’ (aka people that probably looked at a couple people of kemono shota from pixiv) while irl and normie lefties usually support creepy child fuckers like Nyberg and the like?
Good question...I'm wondering that myself now.
 
I’m gonna make a stupid post but why are furry lefties obsessed with pushing away ‘t3h pedos’ (aka people that probably looked at a couple people of kemono shota from pixiv) while irl and normie lefties usually support creepy child fuckers like Nyberg and the like?
My guess would be that they are aware enough to realise the fandom has a shit reputation with non-furries that know they exist, not enough to keep them from believing they themselves have no contribution to why everyone else hates them.
 
My guess would be that they are aware enough to realise the fandom has a shit reputation with non-furries that know they exist, not enough to keep them from believing they themselves have no contribution to why everyone else hates them.
I would be inclined to believe that if it weren't for Rocketsune and other lefty pedos in the fandom.
 
They don't got altfurry anymore (I took care of that shit)
all you did was leak a few logs and write some personalized letters for people who don't even post here. you weren't even the only person doing that, and altfurry is still around acting like idiots, fellating that nazi ideology cock, saying really stupid shit in public view where any tool can leak it, and trying to excuse shitty human behavior.

i don't think altfurry is gone. i think maybe people like you have realized you look really dumb getting mad about people who don't matter and never will matter. they never had any power, any idea that they did was the belief of fools.

By the way, telling people how old you are is a great way to have someone dox your ass.
there's a lot of people here who were fifteen (x) amount of years ago, it's a useless amount of information and just as many people have given the exact same info in the purplekecleon thread. you can't get doxxed for that because it'd be like saying "i follow pewdiepie". okay, cool, that just narrowed him down to any one of 62 million users.

yeah dox is epic funny kewefurms joek but in order to be doxxed you need to have an actual, legitimate lead in the first place. shit like emails, usernames shared on other sites, that's what gets you doxxed.

there isn't much in the way of an age barrier or required social status as an entry gate whereas the others sort of had a delineated period where it was acceptable to participate in them.
what makes furry such a megafandom with so many people in it is that there is literally no barrier for entry. if you want to be relevant in gaming, you have to play games. if you want to be relevant in anime, you have to watch anime, specifically the more recent ones so you can actually participate in conversation about anime. board gaming? again, you have to play to be relevant, otherwise you have nothing to contribute.

furry is one of the only fandoms where you can just look at a guy, think he looks cool, and that's literally all the context you need. nothing else is required. it's easy. a fursona has no context. it's whatever you want it to be and it doesn't need to be justified.

A little shy of 20 years ago people thought the fandom was "dying" because it was becoming harder and harder to find furry comics at anything beyond specialty brick and mortar comic book stores. That was 20 years ago, and we're still around today. People like to point at specific things and say "this is what's going to do the fandom in" and nobody has been correct yet.
i've witnessed communities with sub 500 userbases say every other month that (x) thing was going to kill it and we should just move on already. it's been five years and not one person singing this bullshit has been right. we do not decide when something is dead. (take notes pirate)

And unless the cubfur issue is brought to light by a major media outlet (or some clickbait/yellow journalism shithole like BuzzFeed or Daily Dot), I doubt much will change in that regard. As amusing as the current craze of dragging artists who draw that sick shit is, any amount of fandom public tarring and feathering isn't going to change a thing.
the thing about furries and trying to shit on cubfur artists is... let's play a game of pretend ok. let's pretend the cubfur artists get yelled at so hard they explode and die. ok, there are no more cubfur artists in america, epic

now what are you going to do about cubfur artists in japan, russia, wherever who either do not speak or understand english or simply do not give a fuck about you and want to draw small boys and will refuse to spontaneously explode because some gaijin idiot had an opinion. this is a real trend, you can find artists in foreign countries, brazil and shit who will draw all the things americans don't want to, and they'll do it cheap.

there really is no solution. this same trend is especially bad because in some of these countries, they more or less have no "don't fuck kids" morality, so you can go up to them, ask for cheese pizza, and they're just like, "lol k, gimme 20 bucks"

To actually clean up the fandom would require doing something about all the dogfuckers, sex pests, people not disclosing their HIV status, pedos grooming real-life children, etc. Instead of maintaining how the fandom has nothing to do with sex whatsoever and then ignoring or covering up any heinous shit that happens.
in order to change anything, people have to legitimately give a shit and put in real effort. considering the primary export of the furry fandom is apathy (followed by porn) none of this is going to change. the only way it will is if major conventions (read: kage tier) start making some really harsh restrictions and rules, and that isn't going to happen because furries BITCHED when they got the terms of service papers that were meant for dragoncon that basically said, "don't do stupid furry shit or we're fining you for it".

I’m gonna make a stupid post but why are furry lefties obsessed with pushing away ‘t3h pedos’ (aka people that probably looked at a couple people of kemono shota from pixiv) while irl and normie lefties usually support creepy child fuckers like Nyberg and the like?
because these same people probably still support childfuckers like nyberg. talking shit about (x) bad thing still makes them look good, and you know how often virtue signallers project and end up doing equally worse shit.

if you aren't aware, then read the melanie herring thread.
 
all you did was leak a few logs and write some personalized letters for people
Correction. All I did that I publicly posted about was exactly what you yourself said, and for good reason.

Now Power Armor, if you weren't such a sperg on KF, you'd probably get the shit that I say or imply when posting about altfurry, instead of swinging some retarded hateboner because you're too autistic to realize that people actually put in fucking work to get you the content.
 
I’m gonna make a stupid post but why are furry lefties obsessed with pushing away ‘t3h pedos’ (aka people that probably looked at a couple people of kemono shota from pixiv) while irl and normie lefties usually support creepy child fuckers like Nyberg and the like?
usually, leftists on the whole will want to remove pedos from their communities. BUT, there are lots of issues with IRL groups and this

in the past, a lot of leftist groups have been strapped for people. many IRL community meetings were small, relatively secretive because of fear of feds, and insular. there was a simultaneous fear of driving people out and inviting in someone who would rat their group out (even if they were law-abiding citizens they didn't want everyone to know they were a commies) it used to be that every single person who shared their view in some way mattered because they were SUCH a minority. groups developed and still have a serious issue with keeping members who are dangerous (not every group, but many). tl;dr many groups will keep bad members because they think it is more important to have more people working for The Cause than letting people face justice

you end up with scenarios like this. someone (usually a man) learns all their political lingo and pretends to be really into it. they become part of the group. they rub shoulders publicly. in private, they abuse people in whatever way they prefer and they count on their victims not speaking up just like other predators. the victim of one of these predators has all the usual reasons to be scared to say anything. "he threatened me, no one will believe me" etc. but they also have another reason: "if I tell on him, the cause will lose him." Predators who hide behind The Cause are often able to get a pass from leftists who value their work for The Cause in the long run more than the safety of others in the moment.

i think that any subculture is susceptible to this same problem if they are desperate, but this is the only one i have experience with

i have worked with women who are victims of domestic violence. Two were victims of the same man at different times within their IRL anarchist community. the women explained all this to me and pointed me to some other sources about abuse in subcultures. The abusive man used buzzwords to seem really smart and good to the rest of his group but when he started dating a woman, nothing he said in his anarchist group mattered and he acted like any typical abusive bf
 
We could easily argue that randos epic mass reporting their servers had far more of an effect than you going around rubbing elbows with patsies who didn't like them very much so you could get epic mile long logs of times they said something super dumb so we could point at them and say "wow they sure are super dumb!"

These are furries. Do you really think the shame of people knowing dumb nazi idiots say dumb idiot shit would deter them? Just by being a furry you gain like, 20% resistance to shame, easily. It's a racial trait. They don't give a shit longterm.

I get you want to feel accomplished about this but I've done the exact same thing many times. It doesn't get anyone or anything shut down, especially because again, these are furries, shame doesn't shut down anything. We still have pedos going to cons. Zaush is still going to get commissions. Melanie Herring is still getting money on Patreon, and Melanie had legitimate, literal actual proof that she and two others associated were literal actual child predators. Nothing. Not a fucking scratch. All we can do is point out how she lost one (1) patron, but for some reason she gained thirty (+30) dollars per month in the process.

No one gets to say that they were the reason altfurry got shit on (it didn't, they're still there) because even the guys who were MVPing by reporting their servers were still just one of many doing the same exact shit. It's like saying you're the reason Hillary didn't get in because you voted Trump. A lot of people did that, not just you. That just looks like ego.

Really this just all goes back to sticks and stones. You can talk shit about altfurry all you want, but by the end of the day, nothing you can say could possibly hurt them in a legitimate manner.
 
We could easily argue that randos epic mass reporting their servers had far more of an effect than you going around rubbing elbows with patsies who didn't like them very much so you could get epic mile long logs of times they said something super dumb so we could point at them and say "wow they sure are super dumb!"

These are furries. Do you really think the shame of people knowing dumb nazi idiots say dumb idiot shit would deter them? Just by being a furry you gain like, 20% resistance to shame, easily. It's a racial trait. They don't give a shit longterm.

I get you want to feel accomplished about this but I've done the exact same thing many times. It doesn't get anyone or anything shut down, especially because again, these are furries, shame doesn't shut down anything. We still have pedos going to cons. Zaush is still going to get commissions. Melanie Herring is still getting money on Patreon, and Melanie had legitimate, literal actual proof that she and two others associated were literal actual child predators. Nothing. Not a fucking scratch. All we can do is point out how she lost one (1) patron, but for some reason she gained thirty (+30) dollars per month in the process.

No one gets to say that they were the reason altfurry got shit on (it didn't, they're still there) because even the guys who were MVPing by reporting their servers were still just one of many doing the same exact shit. It's like saying you're the reason Hillary didn't get in because you voted Trump. A lot of people did that, not just you. That just looks like ego.

Really this just all goes back to sticks and stones. You can talk shit about altfurry all you want, but by the end of the day, nothing you can say could possibly hurt them in a legitimate manner.
Listen, I'm not going to argue with you about what we did or didn't do. I'm just gonna say you don't got the information from behind the scenes to back up what you say, and leave it at that.
 
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