Migrant Caravan Headed for U.S. Border - So, uh.. About that wall.

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Hundreds of Central American migrants have organized and banded together on a journey to the US border, and right-wing media and President Donald Trump are reacting with outrage, even describing the caravan as an “act of war” against America.

“INVASION: Army of Illegal Migrants Is Marching Its Way Through Mexico to U.S. Border,” reads a Friday headline on the Gateway Pundit. The piece describes the group as a “horde” of “invading migrants” who are “organized into groups and sub-groups like an army.”

The migrants—roughly 80 percent Honduran—are walking through 90-degree heat from south to north through Mexico, according to Adolfo Flores, a reporter documenting the journey for BuzzFeed News. He notes that yes, the group has organized into groups of 10-15 people, and there are committees to organize security, food, and logistics, but it’s “meant to help the migrants empower themselves.”

The march, part political theater and part exodus, was organized by Pueblos Sin Fronteras, (“People Without Borders”), a migrant advocacy and support organization. It replicates, in a large-scale version, the journey tens of thousands of people from all over Central America and Mexico have made over the years trying to get to the US while fleeing conditions back in their home countries. Making the journey as part of a large group not only draws attention to their cause; it’s also much safer. Traveling alone or in very small groups, they’re much more likely to be harassed and assaulted by authorities or bandits who are known to rob migrants along the journey. In 2010, 72 migrants traveling a similar route were executed by members of a drug cartel.

Now, migrants find themselves traversing a different sort of battlefield. On Sunday morning, after tweeting “HAPPY EASTER!”, Trump started tweeting about the caravan. He fumed that “Border Patrol Agents are not allowed to properly do their job at the Border because of ridiculous (Democrat) laws like Catch & Release,” and then attacked the Mexican government and the caravan:
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Flores, the Buzzfeed reporter accompanying the caravan, reports that the group will march to the US border where roughly two-thirds of the participants will either seek asylum in the US or try to cross the border illegally. Others in the group are traveling to other parts of Mexico.

Right-wing media groups are blaming the Mexican government. The caravan is entirely unsanctioned. It was organized by Pueblos Sin Fronteras but organizers emphasized to participants that they were responsible for their own food, water, and bus tickets. “Mexico aids Easter invasion of over 1,000 illegals into US,” the conservative Washington Examiner headline from Saturday reads, and the piece goes on to slam the Mexican government for allowing the group to pass through the country “with relative ease.”

PJ Media, another conservative platform, cast the caravan in similar terms, but took it one step further. In a piece titled “New Wave of Migrants from Central America Headed to U.S.,” Rick Moran calls it “an organized attack on the American border by open borders activists, aided and abetted by Mexican authorities.” Moran speculates that the group’s intention is to force the US government to “overwhelm the system” and force the US government to release the migrants within the US.

“This is not only a direct challenge to U.S. sovereignty, it could be considered an act of war,” he writes. “These illiterate, uneducated ‘international workers’ are simply pawns being used by the Mexican government and international migrant activists.”

Karen, a mother making the journey with her children from Honduras, had a different message. “The crime rate is horrible, you can’t live there,” she told BuzzFeed News on the side of a highway near Huixtla, a town in Chiapas, Mexico’s southernmost state, referring to her home country. “There were deaths, mobs, robbed homes, adults and kids were beaten up.”

“If we all protect each other,” Rodrigo Abeja, an organizer with Pueblas Sin Fronteras, had said a few days earlier, “we’ll get through this together.”
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I half-expected this group to break cohesion awhile ago and not keep working their way any further, but they're getting awfully close and they only seem to be picking up steam. I get the distinct feeling that a bunch of them are making one last, mad dash to try and break through before this Wall gets any further along or before DACA gets the axe.

It's strange to see such a large-scale push all at once, though. I refuse to believe that this is just some grassroots, just-happens-to-be sort of crowd, because that's way too many people and it's been getting media coverage way too early. We were hearing about this migrant crowd over a week ago, before they'd barely even started to move through Southern Mexico.

Also, a bunch of high-profile idiots are trying to spread this video around to market it as though it's the current migrant caravan, but this video's from 2013. It'd really be nice if people would fact check stuff deeper than, "Oh James Woods said it so it's 100% true and now I'm super mad." It'd also be nice if people with a profile that large would fucking fact check their own shit to begin with. Highest IQ in Hollywood my ass.
 
these kinds of events will only increase in frequency, especially as climate change cripples central and south america, and the only way to stop them is with violence.

a few hundred illegals crossing the border to provide cheap labor is not a terrible thing for the US economy. (truthfully. the amount of jobs they "take" is nothing compared to the amount of jobs automation is taking, and will continue to take.) but this slow-trickling will not remain the status quo forever. mass movements like what we are seeing will occur more frequently.

at some point, the kid gloves will need to come off, and there will need to be serious border security stopping immigrants at gunpoint.

another piece of the puzzle is that by the time that happens, demographic changes in the US will make a larger portion of the population immigrants from those countries, who might take up jobs that require them to shoot illegals at the very border that their parents, grandparents, or great grandparents crossed decades earlier in hope of a better life for their families. this issue isn't going away.
 
I see these guys all the time. Typically you'll see a Honduran or Salvadorian family on the highway begging for money. They pass through my town on their way to the US.

I use to live by the immigration office and I would pass by it walking to and from work. Mexico does do something to stop the immigrants (sometimes). Basically what they do is round them up at the train tracks or highways where they pass, and then stick them in this 3 day temporary housing next to the immigration office (they're not allowed to leave the building during this time) before they're deported back to wherever. My company did a charity there a while back and it was pretty fucked. Of course Mexico is poor as fuck because of the corrupt elite so the cops don't have a lot of funds to do much. Only about 20 percent of cops carry guns in my city.

Some of the shit the Hondurans I've met have told me is just absolutely heart wrenching. Honduras is literally the murder capital of the world and run entirely by gangs. They murder and rape women for fun in the street, chop off their heads and drive away. Met a guy who rode up in a raft along the coast and watched his buddy get eaten by a shark. Another watched his friend fall off a train and die.

I hate seeing this kind of shit because I understand both sides of the spectrum. I hate seeing these people dying and starving in the street just trying to get to a place where they don't have to worry about getting raped and murdered at any second only for Americans to turn them back and say fuck off. But what the fuck can we do.

That being said this mob is ridiculous to be honest. It is not anyone's right to immigrate to the US, and this is a blatant disregard to the US' laws. Instead of shitting on these people and fucking them deeper into the dirt, something needs to be done to remove the corrupt elite who run Latin America. Mexico is actually an economic powerhouse soon to outdo that of the U.K. I highly doubt the US wants Mexico to grow tho. The US would do anything to keep Mexico in the shit position it's in.

Sorry for my constant powerleveling and rants, but I plan to continue posting the other side of the story. I see the shit the news doesn't tell you.
 
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Give the CIA a few million dollars and the whole problem can magically vanish if they bribe the local drug lords to "clean up" the mess. Hell, you might even be able to bribe the cartels to act as Mexican-side border security.
No way. The cartels make a shitton of money trafficking people. They would never work with the US to destroy one of their sources of income.

I highly doubt the US wants Mexico to grow tho. The US would do anything to keep Mexico in the shit position it's in.
Yeah, fuck having a developed economy in a friendly country as a new market to buy our shit. That's stupid and the Marshall Plan never happened. We want them so shitty and corrupt that their people mass emigrate here and cost us billions of dollars.

Look, Mexico ain't a banana republic. It has problems because you guys don't have the cajones to overthrow what is obviously a corrupt system. Whether through the ballot box or violence. That place has been a quasi-dictatorship with local bosses skimming off the top and making people's lives hell since long before the US even existed.
 
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But liberals think letting them into America unvetted, unsanctioned and unchecked is the Right Side of History™
Yep. Goddamn those liberals and Obama for all of America's ills. Keep demonizing the other team, seems to be helping America quite a bit doesn't it?

No way. The cartels make a shitton of money trafficking people. They would never work with the US to destroy one of their sources of income.


Yeah, fuck having a developed economy in a friendly country as a new market to buy our shit. That's stupid and the Marshall Plan never happened. We want them so shitty and corrupt that their people mass emigrate here and cost us billions of dollars.
Haha. Yeah let's bring up their economy so we can pay all those workers in factories more money.

You can pay a Mexican $3 an hour to build your toyotas or an American $20.
 
No way. The cartels make a shitton of money trafficking people. They would never work with the US to destroy one of their sources of income.


Yeah, fuck having a developed economy in a friendly country as a new market to buy our shit. That's stupid and the Marshall Plan never happened. We want them so shitty and corrupt that their people mass emigrate here and cost us billions of dollars.

Look, Mexico ain't a banana republic. It has problems because you guys don't have the cajones to overthrow what is obviously a corrupt system. Whether through the ballot box or violence. That place has been a quasi-dictatorship with local bosses skimming off the top and making people's lives hell since long before the US even existed.
You're not allowed to protest in Mexico. It's illegal, and normally ends in people getting kidnapped and murdered. Guns are illegal, and the most you can find is a shitty pistol, so no hopes of a revolt.

Or sell Mexicans Toyotas assembled in Tennessee. Do you know anyone that owns a Tundra? That's where all of those come from.
What. In what universe is that economically effiecent?
 
What. In what universe is that economically effiecent?
In the universe where you don't have to pay off the cops, the cartels, the tax man, and any other person who can squeeze your business for cash. That's why the system stays as broken as it is. It pays the corrupt elites in Mexico better to keep it that way.

By the way, the same shit happens in the US. Just not as badly.
 
Look, Mexico ain't a banana republic. It has problems because you guys don't have the cajones to overthrow what is obviously a corrupt system. Whether through the ballot box or violence. That place has been a quasi-dictatorship with local bosses skimming off the top and making people's lives hell since long before the US even existed.
You do realize that all of those revolutions, civil wars, insurgencies, and so on in their history were the Mexicans' attempt to destroy the old and corrupt to bring in the new and fair, right? 200 plus years of watching those completely fail and just cause more pain and corruption just plain sucks a lot of hope out of you.

Still don't mean I think it'd be a great idea to send a brigade or two of Nat. Guards with bean bags and taser grenades to disperse this most heinous move though. Me in-laws immigrated legally for fuck's sake, and so can you within the system.
 
No, you're right, saying the official Democratic party platform is what Democrats believe was presumptuous of me.
All you did was look for an opportunity to blame liberals.
 

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You're not allowed to protest in Mexico. It's illegal, and normally ends in people getting kidnapped and murdered. Guns are illegal, and the most you can find is a shitty pistol, so no hopes of a revolt.
Exactly. So, now why is the US the oppressor again?

You do realize that all of those revolutions, civil wars, insurgencies, and so on in their history were the Mexicans' attempt to destroy the old and corrupt to bring in the new and fair, right? 200 plus years of watching those completely fail and just cause more pain and corruption just plain sucks a lot of hope out of you.
I'm well aware. I'm just a bit peeved at the assertion that this is all somehow America's fault with the same old yarn that the US is conspiring to keep their system broken. That isn't in our interests. It never was. We want to sell you our expensive cell phones and pickup trucks, not have you make rubber dogshit for us. That's what China is for.

It's all a deflection put in their heads by the usual suspects plus their own political leaders. Seriously, this is straight up Maduro shit here.
 
Exactly. So, now why is the US the oppressor again?


I'm well aware. I'm just a bit peeved at the assertion that this is all somehow America's fault with the same old yarn that the US is conspiring to keep their system broken. That isn't in our interests. It never was. We want to sell you our expensive cell phones and pickup trucks, not have you make rubber dogshit for us. That's what China is for.

It's all a deflection put in their heads by the usual suspects plus their own political leaders. Seriously, this is straight up Maduro shit here.
Just by arming the narcos and cartels with assault weapons. Nothing too big a deal I suppose.

You think getting fruits and vegetables at dirt cheap prices isn't in our interest? You think producing our products, running call centers and other services for a fraction of the cost isn't in our interest?
 
Haha. Yeah let's bring up their economy so we can pay all those workers in factories more money.

You can pay a Mexican $3 an hour to build your toyotas or an American $20.
I feel as though a lot of people don't understand the rationale behind building the Wall and enforcing immigration and the removal of illegal migrants nearly as well as they should. There's a significant branch of the anti-migrant crowd that just blatantly hates Mexicans for absolutely any reason ranging from the Cartel's crimes all the way down to not getting as many Taco Bell hot sauce packets as they would have liked, but this all boils down to the fallacy of the excluded middle.

For every one of those pig-wrasslin' rednecks there's a dozen people in the camp that do not want illegals here because a legitimately frightening number of people--especially all of these fucking "woke" companies like Apple and Amazon-- will exploit them as slightly-legalized slave labour. The fact that they're paid so poorly is just a scratch at the surface of the problem. They can't report those unpaid wages, they can't punch back at their bosses without being threatened by deportation, they can't make proper use of medical services or even the fucking police because they know they're minutes away from an ICE raid at any given moment. Their communities are also an absolute train wreck because for every "honest", hard-working illegal that hops the border to help his family, there's 20 more who are just bringing the third world with them.

What's the fucking point of escaping a Hell hole if you're going to literally bring the people who caused it with you?

That's without going into all the trafficking problems, too. You're a native siesta-taker so I shouldn't have to go into much detail, but for the uninitiated: You would be shocked at just how many of the women and children are taken aside and forced to "pay" for the smugglers' services with their own bodies, if they're not just kidnapped and sold off into human trafficking outright. The men don't have it much easier. A whole swathe of them are forced to run as drug mules, either to pay for the services or because these cartels have kidnapped their families in-transit to use as leverage against them, so they'll keep running drugs against their will while their families are raped on the other side of the border, and then they'll either die in the desert, get killed by the cartel, or wind up in a U.S. prison for the rest of their lives when they finally get caught smuggling 50lbs. backpacks of cocaine.

That doesn't stop once the "coyotes" get them across the border, either. Almost all of the migrants who actually manage to make it across without getting caught or being otherwise forced to turn back wind up at work camps that the coyotes and the Cartels run. They don't just hop the fence and run free to frolic in the fields, they're put in fucking underground labour programs to "work off their debt" and then a few thousand percent interest on top of that.

There are far more people than you think who are wholly opposed to illegal immigration purely because of the absolute Hell these people are put through as they're quite literally sold into slavery. The Americans are keenly aware of the actual problems at play here, it's just that our media loves to give corn-chuckers the loudest microphones. Please do not mistake this seemingly-callous aversion to illegals as xenophobia, racism, or the status quo, because there are plenty of us who legitimately understand what a nightmare scenario this whole problem has become.
 
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Just by arming the narcos and cartels with assault weapons. Nothing too big a deal I suppose.
Ain't our fault Mexico keeps a lax border and doesn't have a 2nd amendment. We at least try to police our shit too. The same groups operate here and only cause a fraction of the problems.

You think getting fruits and vegetables at dirt cheap prices isn't in our interest? You think producing our products, running call centers and other services for a fraction of the cost isn't in our interest?
Compared to having 130 million people with a Chevrolet in their driveway, a Boeing in the sky, an Apple phone in the pocket of their Levi's, with Nike shoes, a Microsoft PC on their desks, living in houses built with Arkansas lumber, powered by Wyoming coal, drinking Coca-cola, eating Iowa corn, Idaho potatoes, Wisconsin cheese, Kansas wheat, and South Dakota beef, processed and put into little microwave-safe cardboard boxes in factories all across the country. Fuck yes it isn't in US interest to keep them poor and unable to buy our shit.

Do you have any idea how huge the US economy is? Do you know how large our agriculture sector is compared to Mexico's? How large our service economy is compared to theirs? How large our manufacturing sector is to theirs?

Fucking stop. We can sell more to them than they can can to us. Including every high value good you can think of. And if we aren't the ones that built it we still get royalties off of patents and licencing. That's the way it is when you have the largest economy in the world. The US wants to trade desperately. The problem we have is that many places can't afford what we sell because their population lives in crippling poverty.
 
Sorry for my constant powerleveling and rants, but I plan to continue posting the other side of the story. I see the shit the news doesn't tell you.

The problem isn't that people don't understand, it's that the global humanitarian crisis literally can't be solved by immigration. There are just too many people throughout the world living in appalling conditions for Western countries to be able to take them all. The only viable long term option is to improve the conditions in their homelands, but that's going to take multiple generations to achieve with no guarantee of long term stability.

And I am glad we have people posting from the inside. When people stop posting from the inside, it's too easy to pretend the problems don't exist - and it's important to acknowledge they do, even if we have no solutions.
 
Or sell Mexicans Toyotas assembled in the US. Do you know anyone that owns a Tundra? They're from Indiana ans Texas exclusively.
I can concur that this is true. I dont understand why I thought it was just me that noticed

You're not allowed to protest in Mexico. It's illegal, and normally ends in people getting kidnapped and murdered. Guns are illegal, and the most you can find is a shitty pistol, so no hopes of a revolt.
Oh yeah? Well the cartel has guns. So I guess the law is only working for those who fallow it. Sadly thats what they want here in the US, too.
Maybe if you guys were allowed to have guns, the lest you could do as a small town or group is bunker down and protect yourselves rather than depend on a revolution. As those haven't worked out for mexico ever

Just by arming the narcos and cartels with assault weapons. Nothing too big a deal I suppose.
You think getting fruits and vegetables at dirt cheap prices isn't in our interest? You think producing our products, running call centers and other services for a fraction of the cost isn't in our interest?
If it wasnt for free trade and some NAFTA papers, I wouldn't need your fruit. California (before it went down hill.) used to make all of that. Florida is also picking up the pace. Only thing people might have to do if the US drops importing fresh fruit n stuff is eat more in season *shrugs* Honestly I think that would be better as the fruit would last me a few more days before becoming useless. And normally the taste is better. We dont need other people to make our food, honestly
 
So any word on how many paid protesters are going to be at the border crying "It's anudda Shoah" when border patrol starts rounding people up?
 
I really lost any shred of sympathy I would have had after my then-fiancé was denied a visitaion visa because the US embassy claimed she would overstay illegally. So we assembled all the papers, paid all the fees (was working retail at the time, not a lot of disposable income), jumped through all the hoops for the fiancé visa, and waited. 2 years later and she is a permanent resident working full time at a hospital. So yeah, I hope they enforce the law this time as well.
 
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