Culture Marvel is cancelling their sjw comics after getting bitch slapped by the Chad free market.

  • 🏰 The Fediverse is up. If you know, you know.
  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
Status
Not open for further replies.
After decades of relegating its LGBTQ characters to the sidelines, Marvel really turned things around with America and Iceman, its first two ongoing series featuring queer characters as their titular leads. Both books have been important additions to Marvel’s ever-expanding portfolio, but it seems as if the time has come for at least one of them to end. March’s comics solicitations are out this week and a number of titles including America are conspicuously missing, which heavily implies that the titles have been canceled. This afternoon, Marvel editor Heather Antos confirmed that Gwenpool, another title missing from the March solicits, was definitely canceled, further suggesting that any titles missing from the lineup as of today are done for.
 
Click to expand...
A Useless Fish said:
How much do you wanna bet that even the few that did read the comics didn't actually buy them, but downloaded them illegal from somewhere so they wouldn't have to squander any of their parents' money on childrens' books?
Click to expand...
I am 100% certain they do, since scans_daily was one of the original pits of socjus misery 10+ years ago.
 
Intelligent Calcium said:
>company burns a shitload of money on trash titles in an attempt to attract a new audience that doesn't buy comics and just wants another platform for their politics
>company loses a lot of their old customers in the process, but hey they were problematic shitlords anyway and the new audience will totally buy just as many comics as they did
>they don't
>later, company does one thing that the new audience doesn't like
>new audience instantly turns on the company

Huh, never heard that one before.

View attachment 339305

View attachment 339306

View attachment 339307

View attachment 339308

View attachment 339309

View attachment 339310
Click to expand...

When I think cool, I don't think rainbow colored splooge-sponge wearing midriff shirts, skinny-jeans, cateye glasses, lumberjack's beard and a shitty one-sided undercut topped off with Diet-Coke facial piercings.

When I think cool, I don't think ugly incarnate.
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
Huh, I actually liked Gwenpool. Bummer for that one.
Click to expand...

I agree, but unfortunately the sales figures seem to be what's killed all of these off. Each one bumped along at an average of just 15k copies a month if that.

Gwenpool seemed to perform a bit better, bouncing between 14 and 18k, and could've been kept on as a more niche title, but she'd have needed some fixing.
 
Ponderous Pillock said:
I agree, but unfortunately the sales figures seem to be what's killed all of these off. Each one bumped along at an average of just 15k copies a month if that.

Gwenpool seemed to perform a bit better, bouncing between 14 and 18k, and could've been kept on as a more niche title, but she'd have needed some fixing.
Click to expand...

You know what would be nice? How about making an LGBTQWXYZLOLWTFGTFO character that isn't a bastardization of another character? How about an original who happens to be a disabled black queer genderfluid midget? It's kind of insulting to that demographic when you think about the implications behind the lack of faith in a paraplegic Spanish neanderthal's ability to make sales on their own merits.
 
Last edited:
Who's the last Marvel character that was more than niche and not based on an existing character? I can't think of anyone newer than Bishop. The Winter Soldier comes close because he's such a radical reinvention but ultimately he's still Bucky.

Nobody is gonna be an entirely new character in the Big Two unless they're in a weird Nextwave-type niche book.
 
Marvel should just copy DC's Brown Bomber character. What could possibly go wrong in this day and age?
Brown Bomber.jpg
 
Isn't it funny how smug these assholes used to be when it was about Thor being turned into a lesbian jiddish-speaking leprechaun from Mogambia-bin-gluck-luck with a Hijab, and how they were taking over comics books from the dudebro cishet Trump-voting nerds and that said nerds are assholes for pointing out how aweful all these new comics lines were... and suddenly the same nerds, that were insulted before are now being blamed for these new comics to fail as if it was their duty to support "Diversity" or some shit?

Hatoful Dandy said:
They practically held comic stores for ransom by insisting that if they want to order more popular titles and merch, they have to order large quantities of the SJW titles just to brag about the quantities SHIPPED. And then they act like they had nothing to do with those places closing up shop when those don't sell.
Click to expand...
Wait, wait wait waitwaitwait. I didn't know about that. How fucked up is that?

Comicstores were forced to waste money on shelf-warmers if they wanted to buy normal stuff that actually sells? I can understand that Marvel wants to have some sort of "look how successful we are" with this, but that was literally shitting where you eat.
 
MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
No, it was the reverse. They started off by making black/gay/spanish Spiderman known as Miles Morales debuting in August 2011. I believe they also had a comic for a gay cowboy character in an effort to bring back non-super comics but made him a flaming stereotype and that shit got shelved too.
Click to expand...

The one with the gay cowboy, they got the original artist for the Raw Hide Kid from the 70s to do the art work and it was a Max title. And the covers were gorgeous.

The covers say: Wow, Marvel is actually making a tongue in cheek gay porn comic.

But the writing was like they got the b-team from Queer as Folk.

RomanesEuntDomus said:
Wait, wait wait waitwaitwait. I didn't know about that. How fucked up is that?

Comicstores were forced to waste money on shelf-warmers if they wanted to buy normal stuff that actually sells? I can understand that Marvel wants to have some sort of "look how successful we are" with this, but that was literally shitting where you eat.
Click to expand...

Oh, it was worse then that. They started to OVERSHIP the SJW books. So it be like you ordered three copies of America because their was a group of butch latina dykes that somehow liked it?

They'd send you forty free issues that just took up space.
 
Last edited:
MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
You know what would be nice? How about making an LGBTQWXYZLOLWTFGTFO character that isn't a bastardization of another character? How about an original who happens to be a disabled black queer genderfluid midget? It's kind of insulting to that demographic when you think about the implications behind the lack of faith in a paraplegic Spanish neanderthal's ability to make sales on their own merits.
Click to expand...
Well, we all know that a character like that would never take off, since original characters already have it hard enough as is. In the real world that means that they concentrate on their popular characters and try to make the best product possible, but in tumblr land Marvel is not allowed to make money. Instead, they're obligated to turn their profitable IPs into platforms for the SJW narrative and if they don't they're Hitler. By their logic, pushing diversity down the consumers' throats will slowly change their tastes and make their brand of diverse characters more viable in the future. Or customers reject it and the company loses a load of money, but that's not tumblr's problem. They can just move to a different host.
 
These people are so ungrateful. The fact that they even get to walk around freely, without having to go and get elctro shock therapy or worse should be a blessing to them. But no, they need to be super heroes too, and we allow it.
 
Last edited:
Chuggernaut said:
Who's the last Marvel character that was more than niche and not based on an existing character? I can't think of anyone newer than Bishop. The Winter Soldier comes close because he's such a radical reinvention but ultimately he's still Bucky.

Nobody is gonna be an entirely new character in the Big Two unless they're in a weird Nextwave-type niche book.
Click to expand...
Squirrel Girl? Domino? The Runaways?
 
MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
I'm surprised the X-Men were largely untouched by the SJW era in lieu of, say, Daredevil.
Click to expand...

That's because the X-Men got railroaded hard due to the MCU rising in popularity, which coincidentally, was around the same time the SJW thing really began to take off. There's plenty of conspiracy theories, but the most popular one being that Ike Perlmutter forced that intentionally to mess with Fox over a pissbaby slapfight over movies. But nothing has ever been 100% confirmed.

Either way, the X-Men's message is kind of moot at this point. It's always been an allegory for some kind of civil rights issue even from Racism, sexism, homophobia (complete with an AIDS-esque allegory called the Legacy Virus), etc. But when you have a dozen plus comics trying to parrot similar messages, well, the X-Men became kind of redundant or obsolete.
 
Debrotherized Luigi said:
That's because the X-Men got railroaded hard due to the MCU rising in popularity, which coincidentally, was around the same time the SJW thing really began to take off. There's plenty of conspiracy theories, but the most popular one being that Ike Perlmutter forced that intentionally to mess with Fox over a pissbaby slapfight over movies. But nothing has ever been 100% confirmed..
Click to expand...
The closest confirmation is that Kevin Feige no longer had to answer to Perlmutter when it comes to MCU stuff (because really, you work hard to build up Marvel's brand through the movies and then it all demolished by the SJW squad changing everything that people liked about the movies right after release) and just goes directly to Disney's management. Since Doctor Strange, the Marvel Studios logo doesn't even use comic panels anymore because they're operated as seperate entities.

Edit: found a post I made some months ago about the comics division going out of their way to NOT be like the movies that bring them attention

Hatoful Dandy said:
In Marvel's case, it always seems to happen within a year of a movie coming out:

-Amazing Spider-man (Doc Ock replaces him)
-Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Sam Wilson takes over)
-Guardians of the Galaxy: (after rebooting Star-Lord to resemble the movie version, Kitty Pride takes over the role)
-Thor: The Dark World (a few months after its release, Jane Foster replaces him)
-X-men: Days of Future Past (X-23 takes up the mantle within a year)
-Captain America: Civil War (Riri's announced as Tony Stark's replacement)
-Thor: Ragnarok (well, Banner's already been killed a few months ago)
-Ant-Man (the new Wasp; Nadia apparently means 'hope' in Russian)
-Mockingbird appears on Agents of SHIELD and almost gets her own spinoff show...and we saw how her own comic turned out.

And they wonder why the comics aren't selling. The characters people liked in the movies got brushed aside in the name 'diversity' and crappy writing.
Click to expand...
 
A Useless Fish said:
That doesn't sound like a bad idea. Didn't Marvel once have a team made up entirely of minorities, whose entire schtick was basically how stereotypical they are? Why not put these assholes together to form the next generation of that shitty comic? They can even ressurect that team's Big Bad.

17nh4qtkcks5njpg.jpg


This motherfucker.
Click to expand...
And yet, despite being a one-off. Snowflame was a better written character than Riri, America Chevez or any of Marvel's other characters these days (not just the SJW ones) combined.
 
You have to wonder if anyone in Marvel took business 101.

"If you have a core audience who will buy literal shit if it has your branding on it for the love of god don't alienate them!"
 
Intelligent Calcium said:
Well, we all know that a character like that would never take off, since original characters already have it hard enough as is. In the real world that means that they concentrate on their popular characters and try to make the best product possible, but in tumblr land Marvel is not allowed to make money. Instead, they're obligated to turn their profitable IPs into platforms for the SJW narrative and if they don't they're Hitler. By their logic, pushing diversity down the consumers' throats will slowly change their tastes and make their brand of diverse characters more viable in the future. Or customers reject it and the company loses a load of money, but that's not tumblr's problem. They can just move to a different host.
Click to expand...

The problem to somewhat solve this would be to introduce the "niche" character for a good year or two via other more popular lines, make them a sidekick or what have you for a while, give them a storyline and let them develop and "mentor" under one of the better stables and really develop as a character, heck, even get them wearing and "standing in" for the big hitter at times as they try and grow.

Then have them finally branch out with their own identity give them a new neighbourhood of town/city to patrol (I'd love to see a more rural superhero having to bounce around stopping disasters in the Midwest and how exhausting that would be, for example).

Oh, wait, I just described Dick Grayson didn't I?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom