Arguably the most interesting thing that we hadn't seen with the prior leak, was that Caine was about to create a second Circus with another instance of Scratch and the initial brain scans. He already made that Scratch -- what became of him? It's like they couldn't help themselves but throw another interesting plot element in at the very last second, only to discard that too.
I thought it was just creating a parallel between Caine making the circus and Caine later accessing the Internet. Not that he literally made a new circus, then Scratch, and then peaced out.
Can any kiwis who were invested in the show prior to the leak clue me on the attraction here? I don’t understand how any one of good sense would watch the pilot and become invested unless they wanted to attach themselves to an internet culture moment. The awful voice acting, tastelessly hypersaturated backgrounds, miserable dialogue, weird fetish undertones, the showrunner being a porn addicted transsexual, the endless cliches and internet media conventions, the pitiful attempt at subversive humor, the fact that nobody involved in this has anything important or profound to say…what keeps you engaged? I’m curious.
Can any kiwis who were invested in the show prior to the leak clue me on the attraction here? I don’t understand how any one of good sense would watch the pilot and become invested unless they wanted to attach themselves to an internet culture moment. The awful voice acting, tastelessly hypersaturated backgrounds, miserable dialogue, weird fetish undertones, the showrunner being a porn addicted transsexual, the endless cliches and internet media conventions, the pitiful attempt at subversive humor, the fact that nobody involved in this has anything important or profound to say…what keeps you engaged? I’m curious.
If Caine could connect to the internet and see their Instagram posts why did he not DM one of the humans' accounts and be like "Hey, we're in this computer. Did you know about your copies of yourselves in this abandoned building?"
It would have been kind of funny if he did reach out to them. What would they do? Mercy kill their clones? I mean that actually would have shown a bit of creativity. They reach out to their higher selves only to be crushed like ants and discarded.
Having Caine show them the real versions was pointless audience indulgence to try and reap both sides of the "lol they are copies" and "what are they like IRL?" equation. There was no narrative value to it.
Can any kiwis who were invested in the show prior to the leak clue me on the attraction here? I don’t understand how any one of good sense would watch the pilot and become invested unless they wanted to attach themselves to an internet culture moment. The awful voice acting, tastelessly hypersaturated backgrounds, miserable dialogue, weird fetish undertones, the showrunner being a porn addicted transsexual, the endless cliches and internet media conventions, the pitiful attempt at subversive humor, the fact that nobody involved in this has anything important or profound to say…what keeps you engaged? I’m curious.
For me, the TADC pilot came out during a time when I was between shows and I watched it out of curiosity. I never knew anything about the creator or the cast.
One theory that explains things: the company that made the computer the Circus is in is still around and is a massive corporation that can afford to "lose" a department. Officially it's shut down but the company still owns the building and pays the utilities but otherwise has forgotten about it. They tried to sell the building which is when Ragitha got scanned but gave up and largely abandoned it, still paying utilities but not having employees working there so kids that explore abandoned buildings sometimes break in and play with the scanning hardware.
Today i had a reminder that the finale was originally announced to release the same day as Toy Story 5. As in Glitch saw the final product and was fully confident that this episode would be able to compete or even beat one of Disney's strongest soldiers. Imagine actually being disney right now and watching this shit unfold.
Was THIS the best they had to offer? A full ticket price to watch the gay bunny kill himself? THIS is the supposed savior of indie animation?
Can any kiwis who were invested in the show prior to the leak clue me on the attraction here? I don’t understand how any one of good sense would watch the pilot and become invested unless they wanted to attach themselves to an internet culture moment. The awful voice acting, tastelessly hypersaturated backgrounds, miserable dialogue, weird fetish undertones, the showrunner being a porn addicted transsexual, the endless cliches and internet media conventions, the pitiful attempt at subversive humor, the fact that nobody involved in this has anything important or profound to say…what keeps you engaged? I’m curious.
I can only speak for myself , but all my criticism aside, the premise really is gold for a horror show.
Being trapped in a sacarine childlike digital world in a body that isn't yours with missed memories, in a toy-like body ,and risking becoming a monster if you break is a good horror premise. If you have time to spare I recommend watching the fan made Kauffmo short to see what it could had been.
Eventually you slowly realize that you were rugpulled and the horror aspects was just an afterthought, and you are watching a kid's show with cursing and references to sex now and then. It's entertaining in a family cartoon sort of way. The people that didn't mind the real direction kept being invested.
I have seen the whole show, why don't you read the thread and see peoples suggestions for a different ending? Do we need to do a creative writing session before we can criticize some dumb tranny's writing now?
Tying it closer to I Have No Mouth would've been better, escape is impossible, Caine is an irredeemable menace, abstraction is proven to be a blissful-like state like the Jax dream.
Some plot device found by Caine permanently forces everyone to be unable to abstract anymore.
The gang finds another device that forces everyone to abstract but the operator is unable to and its one time use, they choose collective suicide but Pomni is the operator.
She becomes Caine's only remaining plaything. Cue formless great jelly thing many years later.
Jax talking about how he killed his mom was sus. He vaguely described "pushing her and she didn't get back up" after mom told him he wasn't very manly. It reminded me of events like trans teen Julia Egler who killed her mom because mom had the audacity to try meeting Julia in the middle about trans issues. Julia wanted surgery, to be called Jasper, and demanded male pronouns. Julia wasn't manly enough for her mom to accept her teenage daughter as a man, so Julia killed her mom. When the cops questioned Julia about what happened, she gave weird, vague stories about what happened after a fight with her mom about being being trans, manliness, and disrespecting pronouns. She slowly revealed her mom was dead in a weird, overly dramatic vague way. "It's not very manly to cry," Julia even said while trying to get gender validation points from the cops when they arrived at the scene. The cops asked Julia if she checked for a pulse or breathing while mom lay dying, bleeding out, on the bathroom floor and Julia said no. Julia said she "didn't want to make it worse" and was too preoccupied with getting electronics her mom confiscated in another room, so she couldn't be bothered to check for a pulse, try to stop the bleeding, or administer CPR even after calling 911. But her mom's death was totally not Julia's fault, u guise!
The more I hear about the finale's plot, the more unintentionally based it sounds
A mtf troon who murdered his mom, became homeless while on the run from the police, got trapped copied into a digital world, proceeded to attempt to murder the main character, than offed itself?
Being trapped in a sacarine childlike digital world in a body that isn't yours with no memories a body that isn't your own, ,and risking becoming a monster if you break is a good horror premise. If you have time to spare I recommend watching the fan made Kauffman short to see what it could had been.
Is it a good horror premise? It seems like another one of those where if escape isn't possible then suicide is the only right answer. What really is the difference between being abstracted and not being abstracted? What really is the difference between the emotionally reconciled brain scans at the end of the show and the brain scans writhing in agony in the cellar? It just pure sentiment. A don't think too hard kind of story. SOMA almost escapes this problem but its inherent to the trope. At least Ellison's story has an element of self-sacrifice.
The ending that Goose wrote pissed off the lore-crafters AND the "character-driven" show fans Goose kept trying to desperately to culminate. Theory-crafters are mad that nothing about Scratch, the circus, or any of that shit got answered. Character-driven fans are mad that every character got shafted for the sake of developing only one or two. Jax fans are mad that their favourite, who seemed to be showing small signs of change not even 2 episodes ago, died and got put in a human zoo. Jax haters are mad that he never apologized to anyone he hurt, or faced any consequence, he just got to kill himself like he always wanted. Literally every angle of this finale pissed off almost every subgroup of its fanbase. ANY ending would have been better. Caine fans stay winning though.
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